Varsho/Moreno/Kirk Discussion Thread

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

The best outfielder in baseball.

Varsho > Judge

He’s on pace to hit more HRs than Judge over a full season and plays elite defense, so one might say that yes

[PushDaRock]

Read on Twitter

The best outfielder in baseball.

Varsho > Judge

He’s on pace to hit more HRs than Judge over a full season and plays elite defense, so one might say that yes

fax

[C Court]

Dan and Buck were just talking about the Jays 2025 team MVP candidates:

Springer
Bichette
Kirk

[Randle McMurphy]

Dan and Buck were just talking about the Jays 2025 team MVP candidates:

Springer
Bichette
Kirk

The real MVP would top the list if not for the injury

17 HR in 50 games

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

The real MVP. The best outfielder in baseball.

What a trade.

[Harry Palmer]

I am somewhat worried that the shoulder surgery has reduced his arm strength to the point where he’s a left fielder again. There’s still time, I hope, he might well get it back, but it was always the only non-strength in his defensive game that, for now, has lowered fairly significantly into the realm of major weakness, and teams know and are running on him every chance they get without cost. I don’t need it to be a strength, but if it doesn’t get any better than what we’re seeing now that would be a crying shame, cause I love watching him play D.

[vaff87]

I am somewhat worried that the shoulder surgery has reduced his arm strength to the point where he’s a left fielder again. There’s still time, I hope, he might well get it back, but it was always the only non-strength in his defensive game that, for now, has lowered fairly significantly into the realm of major weakness, and teams know and are running on him every chance they get without cost. I don’t need it to be a strength, but if it doesn’t get any better than what we’re seeing now that would be a crying shame, cause I love watching him play D.

It’s a concern. His average throwing velocity is down almost 11 mph from last year. And his max throw velocity is down over 17 mph. And it seems like teams are starting to take more bases on him. Having said that, his average throwing velocity is up around 5 mph from when I looked back in July. So maybe he’s gaining strength back in his arm.

[bluerap23]

I am somewhat worried that the shoulder surgery has reduced his arm strength to the point where he’s a left fielder again. There’s still time, I hope, he might well get it back, but it was always the only non-strength in his defensive game that, for now, has lowered fairly significantly into the realm of major weakness, and teams know and are running on him every chance they get without cost. I don’t need it to be a strength, but if it doesn’t get any better than what we’re seeing now that would be a crying shame, cause I love watching him play D.

It’s a concern. His average throwing velocity is down almost 11 mph from last year. And his max throw velocity is down over 17 mph. And it seems like teams are starting to take more bases on him. Having said that, his average throwing velocity is up around 5 mph from when I looked back in July. So maybe he’s gaining strength back in his arm.

Yeah - it's pretty terrible to have that arm in CF. Definitely the worst arm of any CF by a significant margin. Hopefully he will be able to regain some strength in the off-season further removed from the surgery. His arm has never been a strength of this game though. His range and ability to catch is what makes him one of the best defensive CF in the game.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/arm-strength?type=player&year=2025&minThrows=50&pos=arm_cf&team=

[brwnman]

Losing 4-5 mph on max velo is significant Y2Y. Losing 17mph is... YIKES! His arm wasn't a strength, now we're talking about the worst arm for a starting CF in ML history.

There's a fair chance he's getting moved off CF to LF within the next year/year and a half, because realistically can't have a CF who can't throw out a runner scoring from 3rd on a sac fly from the 5th infield spot.

[Parataxis]

His arm wasn't a strength, now we're talking about the worst arm for a starting CF in ML history.

How could you *possibly* know that? Throwing velo hasn't been tracked for that long, and there's a 125+ year history of the major leagues.

Like, I get that complaining is your schtick, but could you try being a tad less clickbaity?

[brwnman]

His arm wasn't a strength, now we're talking about the worst arm for a starting CF in ML history.

How could you *possibly* know that? Throwing velo hasn't been tracked for that long, and there's a 125+ year history of the major leagues.

Like, I get that complaining is your schtick, but could you try being a tad less clickbaity?

watching him try to throw a baseball - pretty safe assumption.

In the years available on statcast (since 2020), he's the worst by a SIGNIFICANT margin... not for CF, but any OF position.

[Mehar]

His arm wasn't a strength, now we're talking about the worst arm for a starting CF in ML history.

How could you *possibly* know that? Throwing velo hasn't been tracked for that long, and there's a 125+ year history of the major leagues.

Like, I get that complaining is your schtick, but could you try being a tad less clickbaity?

brwnman is correct. Varsho ranks dead last among 60 CF's in Arm Strength right now. Check out this link- https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/arm-strength?type=player&year=2025&minThrows=50&pos=arm_cf&team=

However, if Varsho continues to hit home runs like he has for the rest of the year- I will have less complaints about his arm strength.

[Parataxis]

His arm wasn't a strength, now we're talking about the worst arm for a starting CF in ML history.

How could you *possibly* know that? Throwing velo hasn't been tracked for that long, and there's a 125+ year history of the major leagues.

Like, I get that complaining is your schtick, but could you try being a tad less clickbaity?

brwnman is correct. Varsho ranks dead last among 60 CF's in Arm Strength right now. Check out this link- https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/arm-strength?type=player&year=2025&minThrows=50&pos=arm_cf&team=

He didn't say 'current CFs' He said *IN MLB HISTORY*

That's every starting CF for the past 125+ years.

He can't possibly know that.

[Randle McMurphy]

Daulton Varsho has 2.4 rWAR through 51 games for this team this year. If you extrapolated that over a 162 game season, he would be a 7.5 win player this year. Among position players in baseball, only Aaron Judge is likely to be worth more than that at the end of this season.

Additionally, the last Blue Jay to be worth more than that over a full season was 2011 Jose Bautista (8.3). Even 2015 Josh Donaldson, the MLB MVP, only amassed 7.4 wins in that season.

He truly is the real MVP.

[Tripod]

It's not surprising his throwing is impacted by his injury. But the fact that it's gotten 5mph better vs in July, that's a good sign that it can improve over time and more strength training.

It won't help us much this year, but going into next year let's hope it has continued to get better.

[vaff87]

Daulton Varsho has 2.4 rWAR through 51 games for this team this year. If you extrapolated that over a 162 game season, he would be a 7.5 win player this year. Among position players in baseball, only Aaron Judge is likely to be worth more than that at the end of this season.

Additionally, the last Blue Jay to be worth more than that over a full season was 2011 Jose Bautista (8.3). Even 2015 Josh Donaldson, the MLB MVP, only amassed 7.4 wins in that season.

He truly is the real MVP.

His arm strength is still a concern right now. Singles to center with a runner on first or second, fly balls to center less than 2 out with a runner on second or third are all issues, atm.

[brwnman]

His arm strength is a concern, he's giving up extra bases that are turning into runs at an astronomical rate, his durability is a concern (proven that he can't play a full season as a CF - B2B years), his baserunning has fell off a cliff, his HR rate is unsustainable and he can't get on base. Other than that, we should commit 45M AAV over the next 5 years to him.

[Randle McMurphy]

Daulton Varsho has 2.4 rWAR through 51 games for this team this year. If you extrapolated that over a 162 game season, he would be a 7.5 win player this year. Among position players in baseball, only Aaron Judge is likely to be worth more than that at the end of this season.

Additionally, the last Blue Jay to be worth more than that over a full season was 2011 Jose Bautista (8.3). Even 2015 Josh Donaldson, the MLB MVP, only amassed 7.4 wins in that season.

He truly is the real MVP.

His arm strength is still a concern right now. Singles to center with a runner on first or second, fly balls to center less than 2 out with a runner on second or third are all issues, atm.

Don't care whatsoever. Whether his full arm strength returns or not (and we won't know that until next season), he remains one of the most valuable players in baseball given the elite defense/power combo and clearly somebody this team should be looking to extend ASAP.

Read on Twitter

The Jays fall off an absolute cliff whenever he's not on the field.

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

Incredible.

[PushDaRock]

Read on Twitter

Incredible.

Does that mean we should get him injured again so he comes back even better?