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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#181 » by JN » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:30 am

We need Fluharty up as soon as possible to replace Little as the lead lefty.
Its possible that he will be ass in that role as well, but a change is needed.
I believe September 9th is the day, but perhaps they worked something out with Dillon Tate so he would "agree" to an injury tomorrow.

Trying to figure out the reason Tate was the guy. Sort of off the radar to me,. his ERA is good at Buffalo at 2.06, but that was a bit lucky based on the WHIP of 1.31.
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Post#182 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:46 am

JN wrote:We need Fluharty up as soon as possible to replace Little as the lead lefty.
Its possible that he will be ass in that role as well, but a change is needed.
I believe September 9th is the day, but perhaps they worked something out with Dillon Tate so he would "agree" to an injury tomorrow.

Trying to figure out the reason Tate was the guy. Sort of off the radar to me,. his ERA is good at Buffalo at 2.06, but that was a bit lucky based on the WHIP of 1.31.

Tate was the guy because he’s the guy who can be demoted in 3 days for Fisher
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#183 » by JN » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:54 am

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JN wrote:We need Fluharty up as soon as possible to replace Little as the lead lefty.
Its possible that he will be ass in that role as well, but a change is needed.
I believe September 9th is the day, but perhaps they worked something out with Dillon Tate so he would "agree" to an injury tomorrow.

Trying to figure out the reason Tate was the guy. Sort of off the radar to me,. his ERA is good at Buffalo at 2.06, but that was a bit lucky based on the WHIP of 1.31.

Tate was the guy because he’s the guy who can be demoted in 3 days for Fisher


Makes sense. If he can or Lucas could just get banged up a bit, we can get both Fluharty and Fisher up here by September 4
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

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Post#185 » by Mehar » Tue Sep 2, 2025 8:04 am

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JN wrote:We need Fluharty up as soon as possible to replace Little as the lead lefty.
Its possible that he will be ass in that role as well, but a change is needed.
I believe September 9th is the day, but perhaps they worked something out with Dillon Tate so he would "agree" to an injury tomorrow.

Trying to figure out the reason Tate was the guy. Sort of off the radar to me,. his ERA is good at Buffalo at 2.06, but that was a bit lucky based on the WHIP of 1.31.

Tate was the guy because he’s the guy who can be demoted in 3 days for Fisher


Makes sense. If he can or Lucas could just get banged up a bit, we can get both Fluharty and Fisher up here by September 4

This team needs to option Little to Buffalo so he can work on some things, since right now it is tough to trust him in any situation. I would send him down for Fluharty. So, both Fluharty and Fisher should be on the team for the New York series.
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Post#186 » by Boogie! » Tue Sep 2, 2025 12:25 pm

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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#187 » by johanliebert » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:22 pm

Lol remember when people called Blair and Barker idiots for not being satisfied with the deadline bullpen acquisitions.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#188 » by Parataxis » Tue Sep 2, 2025 1:44 pm

Still annoyed about the way that this one ended. Both for pulling Nance when he's been our most effective pitcher lately for Little (who very much hasn't) but also, when you have runners on second and third and one out and you've already thrown three balls, why not just put him on to load the bases, rather than tossing something hittable at him?

SIGH.

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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#189 » by JN » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:04 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Tate was the guy because he’s the guy who can be demoted in 3 days for Fisher


Makes sense. If he can or Lucas could just get banged up a bit, we can get both Fluharty and Fisher up here by September 4

This team needs to option Little to Buffalo so he can work on some things, since right now it is tough to trust him in any situation. I would send him down for Fluharty. So, both Fluharty and Fisher should be on the team for the New York series.


If we option Little, it can't be Fluharty that gets called up (I believe he is a September 8th or 9th eligible callup). Little would need to go on the IL to call up Fluharty immediately.

I would still send Little down to the minors today and call up whomever -- perhaps Ryan Borucki. Get him down sooner rather than later to try to work on things, and then perhaps he comes back in the second half of September to contribute.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#190 » by Mehar » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:13 pm

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Makes sense. If he can or Lucas could just get banged up a bit, we can get both Fluharty and Fisher up here by September 4

This team needs to option Little to Buffalo so he can work on some things, since right now it is tough to trust him in any situation. I would send him down for Fluharty. So, both Fluharty and Fisher should be on the team for the New York series.


If we option Little, it can't be Fluharty that gets called up (I believe he is a September 8th or 9th eligible callup). Little would need to go on the IL to call up Fluharty immediately.

I would still send Little down to the minors today and call up whomever -- perhaps Ryan Borucki. Get him down sooner rather than later to try to work on things, and then perhaps he comes back in the second half of September to contribute.

I am of the same mindset. It serves no purpose to have Little pitching right now in any situation. Send him down now so he can work on some things and make some adjustments.

Borucki is not the answer right now either, but you simply cannot keep throwing Little on the mound right now hoping and praying he can figure it out. He should be sent as soon as possible to Buffalo.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#191 » by Mehar » Tue Sep 2, 2025 2:16 pm

johanliebert wrote:Lol remember when people called Blair and Barker idiots for not being satisfied with the deadline bullpen acquisitions.

I agreed with them when they said the Jays should have packaged Varsho to get another solid reliever in the bullpen. Straw is as good as defensively, and has a better arm in CF than Varsho, who has trouble with throws partly due to his shoulder surgery now.

You hate to lose the power of Varsho, but to upgrade the bullpen- I would have dealt him if it meant another solid bullpen piece for the stretch run who can pitch in high leverage situations.
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Post#194 » by Michael Bradley » Tue Sep 2, 2025 5:49 pm

Cyrus wrote:So when are we re-upping Shapiro and Atkins to new 5 year deals? :)


The Dome is selling out every night and the team, even with a September collapse, is making the playoffs in some fashion (either winning the East or getting a WC spot). I think Shapiro is likely safe here, especially since he was an Ed hire to begin with. It's a depressing trickle down because if Shapiro is safe, then Atkins is safe, and if Atkins is safe then Schneider is safe.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

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Post#196 » by johanliebert » Tue Sep 2, 2025 8:15 pm

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Cyrus wrote:So when are we re-upping Shapiro and Atkins to new 5 year deals? :)


The Dome is selling out every night and the team, even with a September collapse, is making the playoffs in some fashion (either winning the East or getting a WC spot). I think Shapiro is likely safe here, especially since he was an Ed hire to begin with. It's a depressing trickle down because if Shapiro is safe, then Atkins is safe, and if Atkins is safe then Schneider is safe.

Schneider and Shapiro are the least of your worries. Atkins is the one who hires the analytics staff and constructs the roster. Any other manager will make the same decisions.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#198 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Sep 2, 2025 9:13 pm

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Cyrus wrote:So when are we re-upping Shapiro and Atkins to new 5 year deals? :)


The Dome is selling out every night and the team, even with a September collapse, is making the playoffs in some fashion (either winning the East or getting a WC spot). I think Shapiro is likely safe here, especially since he was an Ed hire to begin with. It's a depressing trickle down because if Shapiro is safe, then Atkins is safe, and if Atkins is safe then Schneider is safe.

Schneider and Shapiro are the least of your worries. Atkins is the one who hires the analytics staff and constructs the roster. Any other manager will make the same decisions.

Everything comes back to Shapiro. Stop giving him a pass.
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#199 » by Madvillainy2004 » Tue Sep 2, 2025 9:51 pm

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johanliebert wrote:Lol remember when people called Blair and Barker idiots for not being satisfied with the deadline bullpen acquisitions.

I agreed with them when they said the Jays should have packaged Varsho to get another solid reliever in the bullpen. Straw is as good as defensively, and has a better arm in CF than Varsho, who has trouble with throws partly due to his shoulder surgery now.

You hate to lose the power of Varsho, but to upgrade the bullpen- I would have dealt him if it meant another solid bullpen piece for the stretch run who can pitch in high leverage situations.


First of all if you wanted to do that you would obviously have just traded guys like Loperfido, Yesavage, or Nimmala if you wanted relief help lol but 2nd of all trading a guy thats on pace for like 5.7 fWAR for a relief pitcher would be insanely stupid. Moreso when you now have Myles Straw playing everyday lol
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Re: Blue Jays @ Reds | Sept 1-3 

Post#200 » by Mehar » Tue Sep 2, 2025 10:18 pm

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johanliebert wrote:Lol remember when people called Blair and Barker idiots for not being satisfied with the deadline bullpen acquisitions.

I agreed with them when they said the Jays should have packaged Varsho to get another solid reliever in the bullpen. Straw is as good as defensively, and has a better arm in CF than Varsho, who has trouble with throws partly due to his shoulder surgery now.

You hate to lose the power of Varsho, but to upgrade the bullpen- I would have dealt him if it meant another solid bullpen piece for the stretch run who can pitch in high leverage situations.


First of all if you wanted to do that you would obviously have just traded guys like Loperfido, Yesavage, or Nimmala if you wanted relief help lol but 2nd of all trading a guy thats on pace for like 5.7 fWAR for a relief pitcher would be insanely stupid. Moreso when you now have Myles Straw playing everyday lol

To get a quality high leverage bullpen guy, you unfortunately have to give up quality also. Quality in terms of one of the best outfield defenders like Varsho. I wanted this front office to acquire Duran. If it meant parting with Nimmala, so be it. But this front office did not want to trade guys like YeSavage or Nimmala.

If that is the case, what other trade assets did you have besides Varsho that made sense? This team played its best baseball with Lukes/Straw in CF when Varsho was out for two months. It does suck losing Varsho's power, but opposing teams are not going to give you high leverage relief guys for nothing. That is why I agreed with Jeff Blair, that trading Varsho was the most logical move if you did not want to trade Nimmala or Yesavage.

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