GSW - MIL - SAC - TOR - UTA (Putting It All Together)

[bpcox05]

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GSW Gets: Kyle Kuzma & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield
Why for GSW? Instead of getting Monk and further crowding their backcourt (St. Curry, Moody, Podz, Melton, Payton, Se. Curry), they get a big, long, athletic PF that can play either PF or SF. Kuzma's size allows the Warriors to play Green at C and not be overly small everywhere else. The idea would be for Kuzma to lean into a glue role and focus on defense, rebounding, spacing the floor, and providing secondary scoring/playmaking (when needed). Kuzma also gives them a placeholder salary for this year and next year to use if a bigger fish becomes available, and the extra first they receive from SAC gives them another asset to toss around in such a deal.

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Santos
PF - Green / Kuzma
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan & Kevin Love
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma
Why for MIL? The Bucks get a significant offensive upgrade over Kuzma and give Giannis a great 2nd option next to him in hopes of getting back to being a contender. Defensively, Giannis and Turner should be able to cover for DeRozan's shortcomings in that department making them a solid trio. Love gives them some more depth at the big man spot and can be another floor spacer in spot minutes.

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson Jr / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis / Smith / Thanasis
C - Turner / Sims / Love

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years), Kyle Anderson, & KJ Martin
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
Why for SAC? The Kings get their target in Kuminga who gives them a high potential player to invest in. Kuminga also gives them another big, long, athletic forward next to Sabonis and allows the Kings to push Murray back to SF (which is ideal IMO). They also balance the roster more as Anderson and Martin give them more forwards to play with while clearing out some of their guard glut.

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Anderson / Martin / Jones
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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TOR Gets: Malik Monk & Buddy Hield
TOR Gives: RJ Barrett
Why for TOR? The Raptors move on from the Barrett experiment and get a couple of bench pieces that fit their roster better. Monk gives them a dynamic, elite 6th man to help run the bench unit. Hield gives them an elite movement shooter which helps space the floor that much more for Barnes, Ingram, & Quickley.

PG - Quickley / Monk / Shead
SG - Dick / Hield / Walter / Temple
SF - Ingram / Agbaji / Battle / Lawson
PF - Barnes / Murray-Boyles
C - Poeltl / Mogbo / Mamukelashvili

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UTA Gets: RJ Barrett
UTA Gives: Kyle Anderson, KJ Martin, & Kevin Love
Why for UTA? The Jazz get the best, highest ceiling player in the deal while only sending out rotation pieces/bench warmers.

PG - Collier / Clayton
SG - George / Williams / Svi
SF - Barrett / Bailey / Sensabaugh
PF - Markkanen / Hendricks / Niang
C - Kessler / Filipowski / Nurkic

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[Godaddycurse]

pass for toronto, dont want more guards coming back.

[Lenneth]

Easy pass for Warriors. In principle, Warriors are still going for the PO run. Kuzma's 8.6 pts/39.3% FG/27.6% 3pts has been a disappointment in PO to say the least.

[bpcox05]

pass for toronto, dont want more guards coming back.

Hmm I saw some TOR fans interested in Monk so thought it would be a fit...

Perhaps we swap DEN in for TOR and bring LAL into the fold. What do you think about this version?


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DEN Gets: Zeke Nnaji, Peyton Watson, DaRon Holmes, & Hunter Tyson
DEN Gives: Malik Monk

PG - Murray / Monk / Pickett
SG - Braun / Hardaway
SF - Johnson / Strawther
PF - Gordon / Brown
C - Jokic / Valanciunas

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GSW Gets: Kyle Kuzma & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Santos
PF - Green / Kuzma
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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LAL Gets: Buddy Hield & Hunter Tyson
LAL Gives: Maxi Kleber

PG - Smart / Vincent / James
SG - Reaves / Hield / Knecht
SF - Doncic / LaRavia / Thiero
PF - LeBron / Hachimura / Tyson
C - Ayton / Hayes / Vanderbilt

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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan & Kevin Love
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson Jr / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis / Smith / Thanasis
C - Turner / Sims / Love

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years), Zeke Nnaji, KJ Martin, & DaRon Holmes
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Nnaji / Martin / Jones
C - Sabonis / Holmes / Raynaud / Eubanks

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UTA Gets: Maxi Kleber & Peyton Watson
UTA Gives: KJ Martin & Kevin Love

PG - Collier / Clayton
SG - George / Williams / Svi
SF - Bailey / Watson / Sensabaugh
PF - Markkanen / Hendricks / Anderson / Niang
C - Kessler / Filipowski / Nurkic

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[gswhoops]

Non-starter for GS. Kuzma is trash. Even if you assign zero value to Kuminga I wouldn't trade Hield and cap space for Kuzma and a lottery protected first in 5 years.

[nolian]

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i like it so much for
Warriors
Kings
Jazz
Bucks

i think Raptors pass
but i think Jazz can add some protected picks (in direction to Raptors)

[OGSactownballer]

Either one works well.

At this point, offering anything short of bringing Durant back to Dubs fans is a waste of bandwidth. They are deluded into this idea that they are still somehow a contender with two 36+ year old stars as the foundation. It’s foolish as the teams that just played in the Finals are young and stacked and can withstand injury far better than these old bygone teams.

[gswhoops]

Either one works well.

At this point, offering anything short of bringing Durant back to Dubs fans is a waste of bandwidth. They are deluded into this idea that they are still somehow a contender with two 36+ year old stars as the foundation. It’s foolish as the teams that just played in the Finals are young and stacked and can withstand injury far better than these old bygone teams.

Yeah great point, since we're probably not going to win the Finals we should just take whatever slop other teams want to dump on us.

[BK_2020]

I don't see why Kuminga takes 3/63 over 2/45 that's been reported.

[bpcox05]

Non-starter for GS. Kuzma is trash. Even if you assign zero value to Kuminga I wouldn't trade Hield and cap space for Kuzma and a lottery protected first in 5 years.

What about this iteration?

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DEN Gets: DaRon Holmes, Julian Strawther, & Hunter Tyson
DEN Gives: Buddy Hield

PG - Murray / Pickett
SG - Braun / Hield
SF - Johnson / Hardaway / Watson
PF - Gordon / Brown / Nnaji
C - Jokic / Valanciunas

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GSW Gets: Rui Hachimura, Julian Strawther, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Santos / Strawther
PF - Green / Hachimura
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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LAL Gets: Malik Monk & DaRon Holmes
LAL Gives: Rui Hachimura & Dalton Knecht

PG - Smart / Vincent / James
SG - Reaves / Monk
SF - Doncic / LaRavia / Thiero
PF - LeBron / Kleber / Vanderbilt
C - Ayton / Hayes / Holmes

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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan & Dario Saric
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson Jr / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis / Smith / Thanasis
C - Turner / Sims / Saric

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years), Kyle Kuzma, Dalton Knecht, & Hunter Tyson
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, Dario Saric, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford / Knecht / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Kuzma / Jones / Tyson
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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[bpcox05]

I don't see why Kuminga takes 3/63 over 2/45 that's been reported.

2/45 has a team option

[gswhoops]

Non-starter for GS. Kuzma is trash. Even if you assign zero value to Kuminga I wouldn't trade Hield and cap space for Kuzma and a lottery protected first in 5 years.

What about this iteration?

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DEN Gets: DaRon Holmes, Julian Strawther, & Hunter Tyson
DEN Gives: Buddy Hield

PG - Murray / Pickett
SG - Braun / Hield
SF - Johnson / Hardaway / Watson
PF - Gordon / Brown / Nnaji
C - Jokic / Valanciunas

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GSW Gets: Rui Hachimura, Julian Strawther, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Santos / Strawther
PF - Green / Hachimura
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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LAL Gets: Malik Monk & DaRon Holmes
LAL Gives: Rui Hachimura & Dalton Knecht

PG - Smart / Vincent / James
SG - Reaves / Monk
SF - Doncic / LaRavia / Thiero
PF - LeBron / Kleber / Vanderbilt
C - Ayton / Hayes / Holmes

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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan & Dario Saric
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson Jr / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis / Smith / Thanasis
C - Turner / Sims / Saric

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years), Kyle Kuzma, Dalton Knecht, & Hunter Tyson
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, Dario Saric, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford / Knecht / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Kuzma / Jones / Tyson
C - Sabonis / Raynaud / Eubanks

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This is definitely a version I'd consider. Rui would be solid as a 3rd forward/sometimes starter in smallball lineups.

[BK_2020]

I don't see why Kuminga takes 3/63 over 2/45 that's been reported.

2/45 has a team option

Given all we know of Kuminga's self-assessment I don't think he prefers to lock down a $21 aav contract for three years just to avoid $24 million team option in the 2nd year of the GSW offer.

[gswhoops]

I don't see why Kuminga takes 3/63 over 2/45 that's been reported.

2/45 has a team option

Given all we know of Kuminga's self-assessment I don't think he prefers to lock down a $21 aav contract for three years just to avoid $24 million team option in the 2nd year of the GSW offer.

+1

JK is absolutely delusional enough to think that $21M per year is a gross underpayment for his services.

[NW]

Either one works well.

At this point, offering anything short of bringing Durant back to Dubs fans is a waste of bandwidth. They are deluded into this idea that they are still somehow a contender with two 36+ year old stars as the foundation. It’s foolish as the teams that just played in the Finals are young and stacked and can withstand injury far better than these old bygone teams.

Some Kings fans really seem to take a lack of interest in their expendable talent personal. So sorry the interest in Devin Carter or Malik Monk isn’t great. If it helps, interest in Kyle Kuzma is similar.

Warriors fans have no illusions of a grand return for Kuminga, but he’s worth more as salary filler in a bigger trade, where the big draw is post Steph draft capital, than as a piece to bring in limited to non factors like Carter, Monk or Kuzma.

[babyjax13]

I think Utah and Toronto need to be cut out, it just makes it more complicated and I wouldn't want RJ on my team at all unless it comes with significant incentive.

[babyjax13]

pass for toronto, dont want more guards coming back.

Hmm I saw some TOR fans interested in Monk so thought it would be a fit...

Perhaps we swap DEN in for TOR and bring LAL into the fold. What do you think about this version?


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DEN Gets: Zeke Nnaji, Peyton Watson, DaRon Holmes, & Hunter Tyson
DEN Gives: Malik Monk

PG - Murray / Monk / Pickett
SG - Braun / Hardaway
SF - Johnson / Strawther
PF - Gordon / Brown
C - Jokic / Valanciunas

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GSW Gets: Kyle Kuzma & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

PG - Curry / Melton / Curry
SG - Moody / Podz / Payton
SF - Butler / Santos
PF - Green / Kuzma
C - Horford / Post / Jackson-Davis

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LAL Gets: Buddy Hield & Hunter Tyson
LAL Gives: Maxi Kleber

PG - Smart / Vincent / James
SG - Reaves / Hield / Knecht
SF - Doncic / LaRavia / Thiero
PF - LeBron / Hachimura / Tyson
C - Ayton / Hayes / Vanderbilt

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MIL Gets: DeMar DeRozan & Kevin Love
MIL Gives: Kyle Kuzma

PG - Anthony / Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Prince / Jackson Jr / Livingston
PF - Giannis / Portis / Smith / Thanasis
C - Turner / Sims / Love

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SAC Gets: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years), Zeke Nnaji, KJ Martin, & DaRon Holmes
SAC Gives: DeMar DeRozan, Malik Monk, & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)

PG - Schroder / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford / McDermott
PF - Kuminga / Nnaji / Martin / Jones
C - Sabonis / Holmes / Raynaud / Eubanks

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UTA Gets: Maxi Kleber & Peyton Watson
UTA Gives: KJ Martin & Kevin Love

PG - Collier / Clayton
SG - George / Williams / Svi
SF - Bailey / Watson / Sensabaugh
PF - Markkanen / Hendricks / Anderson / Niang
C - Kessler / Filipowski / Nurkic

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This is probably too good for Utah (we should at least throw in some seconds or Cody Williams, IMO), but I think it is better balance all around. Might be too much depth for Denver to give up, though.

[oldncreaky]

pass for toronto, dont want more guards coming back.

Agrre

Worse yet, the OP adds a touch over $200K to TOR's salary sheet, making it harder to get out of the tax. I just don't see the point of shuffling the deck of SGs on TOR unless you end up below the luxury tax

[xdrta+]

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GSW Gets: Kyle Kuzma & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

GS can't hard cap themselves like this. They end up with 9 players and about 12M below the hard cap.

[giberish]

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GSW Gets: Kyle Kuzma & 2030 SAC 1st (Lottery Protected; then defers to least favorable between 2031 SAC 1st & 2031 SAS 1st)
GSW Gives: Jonathan Kuminga (S&T $63 mil/3 years) & Buddy Hield

GS can't hard cap themselves like this. They end up with 9 players and about 12M below the hard cap.

Sending out Heild with Kuzma keeps GS from being hard-capped at the 1st apron. The problem is that Kuzma isn't playable for a team trying to win so it just takes Heild and JK out of the Warriors rotation without adding anyone. The version with Rui in place of Kuzma has a chance as Rui is a credible rotation player and would replace JK's minutes (still lose Heild without a replacement which isn't good).