2025 NFL Off-Season

[QB_Eagles]

I also don't think Parsons is better than Garrett but he's arguably a Top 5 player at his position and you can't just let these guys leave, because you won't be able to replace him unless you're lucky with the two first round picks.

Not even looking at the draft picks at all, you can replace Parsons with 4 others players that make $10m/per and all of them together will outproduce Parsons.

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

[Mariner]

Not even looking at the draft picks at all, you can replace Parsons with 4 others players that make $10m/per and all of them together will outproduce Parsons.

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

Ya 47 million in cap space serves no purpose.

[QB_Eagles]

Not even looking at the draft picks at all, you can replace Parsons with 4 others players that make $10m/per and all of them together will outproduce Parsons.

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

Ya 47 million in cap space serves no purpose.

Yeah, you usually use it to extend a key player, not use it to sign 4 replacement level players.

[Mariner]

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

Ya 47 million in cap space serves no purpose.

Yeah, you usually use it to extend a key player, not use it to sign 4 replacement level players.

I have no idea how it will be applied but it should still be valuable in theory.
Having four extra guys make 12 million instead of league minimum still makes a huge difference.
Maybe it helps them sign Pickens and splurge on one free agent acquisition like LT if Guyton stumbles.
Either way it helps.

[Mr B]

Ya 47 million in cap space serves no purpose.

Yeah, you usually use it to extend a key player, not use it to sign 4 replacement level players.

I have no idea how it will be applied but it should still be valuable in theory.
Having four extra guys make 12 million instead of league minimum still makes a huge difference.
Maybe it helps them sign Pickens and splurge on one free agent acquisition like LT if Guyton stumbles.
Either way it helps.

Or maybe the extra cap space helps them trade for a player. The cap space doesn’t have to only be used on free agents.

[Micah Prescott]

Not even looking at the draft picks at all, you can replace Parsons with 4 others players that make $10m/per and all of them together will outproduce Parsons.

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

Okay, so it is :

Parsons - $47m
Crap Player - $3m
Crap Player - $3m
Crap Player - $3m

or

"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m


That is basically what the entire Pats Dynasty defense was, just a group of "good" players with no elite studs. Hell that is what your Eagles Defense is.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

[Mr B]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

Charles Barkley doesn’t even play football.

[Jaydubb]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

How dare you put that in this thread…?? I’m just kidding. Ha

I’m an eagles fan and I think most eagles fans would probably disagree with my perspective on that list but I do think some eagles players got put higher than “they should” and some got put lower than “they should” so I guess it all evens out.

But I think with these kind of lists, I think all fan bases are trying to be represented and the top 20ish or so might be click bait for more views. It’s supposed to be a player vote but is it really? Maybe, maybe loosely.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

How dare you put that in this thread…?? I’m just kidding. Ha

I’m an eagles fan and I think most eagles fans would probably disagree with my perspective on that list but I do think some eagles players got put higher than “they should” and some got put lower than “they should” so I guess it all evens out.

But I think with these kind of lists, I think all fan bases are trying to be represented and the top 20ish or so might be click bait for more views. It’s supposed to be a player vote but is it really? Maybe, maybe loosely.

That's what I thought as well with it being a true players vote. Like Mahomes is still damn good but bow much of his rating was his name vs the production of last year? Glad it wasn't a fan vote or else Travis Kelce would be #1 and KC would have 40-50% of the list.
1-3 you could make a argument for each as they all had great seasons, IMHO if Barkley doesn't win the superbowl and make the reverse hurdle I don't think he's #1 because Lamar would have got more votes

[Jaydubb]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

How dare you put that in this thread…?? I’m just kidding. Ha

I’m an eagles fan and I think most eagles fans would probably disagree with my perspective on that list but I do think some eagles players got put higher than “they should” and some got put lower than “they should” so I guess it all evens out.

But I think with these kind of lists, I think all fan bases are trying to be represented and the top 20ish or so might be click bait for more views. It’s supposed to be a player vote but is it really? Maybe, maybe loosely.

That's what I thought as well with it being a true players vote. Like Mahomes is still damn good but bow much of his rating was his name vs the production of last year? Glad it wasn't a fan vote or else Travis Kelce would be #1 and KC would have 40-50% of the list.
1-3 you could make a argument for each as they all had great seasons, IMHO if Barkley doesn't win the superbowl and make the reverse hurdle I don't think he's #1 because Lamar would have got more votes

I love saquon, I really do, but I’m gonna sound like a hater right now. Why is it that saquon was #86 a year ago and now he’s #1? What changed? Again, I feel like the eagles OL deserves more love, just saying.

That OL is what makes that team go. It buys Jalen hurts time and allows AJ brown and others more time to get open and creates big holes for saquon to run through and all this combined sustains long drives so it keeps the defense fresh. Drop saquon a little bit and move mailata and Dickerson up a little and we good.

[Jaydubb]

Don't know if it belongs here but if it doesn't and someone wants a new thread I will start one.

With that said what's everyone's take on the top 100 players mainly 20-1. I can see Barkley being #1 just had too much go right and his numbers are stupid. Like when has a 1900+ yard RB finished 2nd? Only gripe I have is Mahomes at 5 ahead of Burrow. I think Joe was the 3rd best QB last year. I get Chase and Higgins help but Joe balled as usual where Mahomes had career lows in everything. TJ Watt should be in the top 10 above Garrett but I get it

How dare you put that in this thread…?? I’m just kidding. Ha

I’m an eagles fan and I think most eagles fans would probably disagree with my perspective on that list but I do think some eagles players got put higher than “they should” and some got put lower than “they should” so I guess it all evens out.

But I think with these kind of lists, I think all fan bases are trying to be represented and the top 20ish or so might be click bait for more views. It’s supposed to be a player vote but is it really? Maybe, maybe loosely.

That's what I thought as well with it being a true players vote. Like Mahomes is still damn good but bow much of his rating was his name vs the production of last year? Glad it wasn't a fan vote or else Travis Kelce would be #1 and KC would have 40-50% of the list.
1-3 you could make a argument for each as they all had great seasons, IMHO if Barkley doesn't win the superbowl and make the reverse hurdle I don't think he's #1 because Lamar would have got more votes

Oh the mahomes thing is now 100% the name. His stats are good still but not insane mahomes like stats that he had earlier in his career. Actually started to drop off a little after tyreek hill left which is interesting.

[Mr Swagtastic]

How dare you put that in this thread…?? I’m just kidding. Ha

I’m an eagles fan and I think most eagles fans would probably disagree with my perspective on that list but I do think some eagles players got put higher than “they should” and some got put lower than “they should” so I guess it all evens out.

But I think with these kind of lists, I think all fan bases are trying to be represented and the top 20ish or so might be click bait for more views. It’s supposed to be a player vote but is it really? Maybe, maybe loosely.

That's what I thought as well with it being a true players vote. Like Mahomes is still damn good but bow much of his rating was his name vs the production of last year? Glad it wasn't a fan vote or else Travis Kelce would be #1 and KC would have 40-50% of the list.
1-3 you could make a argument for each as they all had great seasons, IMHO if Barkley doesn't win the superbowl and make the reverse hurdle I don't think he's #1 because Lamar would have got more votes

Oh the mahomes thing is now 100% the name. His stats are good still but not insane mahomes like stats that he had earlier in his career. Actually started to drop off a little after tyreek hill left which is interesting.

This is why I was shocked when a very good football personality in Mina Kimes had KC #3 best offense again it's the previous success of Reid, Mahomes, Kelce but Mahomes looked very middle of the pack as far as numbers and Kelce looks done.

Glad football is back tomorrow and there's still a lot of decent names still left as free agents

[Jaydubb]

That's what I thought as well with it being a true players vote. Like Mahomes is still damn good but bow much of his rating was his name vs the production of last year? Glad it wasn't a fan vote or else Travis Kelce would be #1 and KC would have 40-50% of the list.
1-3 you could make a argument for each as they all had great seasons, IMHO if Barkley doesn't win the superbowl and make the reverse hurdle I don't think he's #1 because Lamar would have got more votes

Oh the mahomes thing is now 100% the name. His stats are good still but not insane mahomes like stats that he had earlier in his career. Actually started to drop off a little after tyreek hill left which is interesting.

This is why I was shocked when a very good football personality in Mina Kimes had KC #3 best offense again it's the previous success of Reid, Mahomes, Kelce but Mahomes looked very middle of the pack as far as numbers and Kelce looks done.

Glad football is back tomorrow and there's still a lot of decent names still left as free agents

Yeah statistically I think they were like middle of the pack or even early 20s in offensive rankings last year. Their defense is better than their offense at this point but mahomes is the poster boy for the NFL so can’t rank his offense in the middle teens or lower. lol

I’m looking forward to tomorrow. I’m gonna take a shot every single time they mention Micah parsons name! Hopefully I don’t die!

[Micah Prescott]

Players list is always overrated crap IMO. Like what does CeeDee Lamb know about all the RBs in the NFL? Probably not much. I'd listen to his list about CBs and maybe other WRs. Outside of that I bet the fans see more.

NFL teams prep for the 14 different opponents they face that season. That is 18 teams that they don't pay attention to at all. So how can they make an accurate list exactly?

[Mr Swagtastic]

Players list is always overrated crap IMO. Like what does CeeDee Lamb know about all the RBs in the NFL? Probably not much. I'd listen to his list about CBs and maybe other WRs. Outside of that I bet the fans see more.

NFL teams prep for the 14 different opponents they face that season. That is 18 teams that they don't pay attention to at all. So how can they make an accurate list exactly?

2023 CeeDee Lamb was at worst top 3 as far as WR rankings. Last year he had a down year albeit still pretty good. Definitely not a top 20 player league wide though just basing it off last year.

This year I think he's in that 85-100 catches for 1,000-1,200 yards with 6-8 TDs. We all know Dallas has no run game or defense so I expect Dak to throw on average 35-45+ times a game. I just don't see the 120-130+ reception, 1600+ yards with George Pickens demand the ball as well

[bluejerseyjinx]

Players list is always overrated crap IMO. Like what does CeeDee Lamb know about all the RBs in the NFL? Probably not much. I'd listen to his list about CBs and maybe other WRs. Outside of that I bet the fans see more.

NFL teams prep for the 14 different opponents they face that season. That is 18 teams that they don't pay attention to at all. So how can they make an accurate list exactly?

2023 CeeDee Lamb was at worst top 3 as far as WR rankings. Last year he had a down year albeit still pretty good. Definitely not a top 20 player league wide though just basing it off last year.

This year I think he's in that 85-100 catches for 1,000-1,200 yards with 6-8 TDs. We all know Dallas has no run game or defense so I expect Dak to throw on average 35-45+ times a game. I just don't see the 120-130+ reception, 1600+ yards with George Pickens demand the ball as well

If the Cowboys don't run the ball I think they are toast anyways, even with Pickens. Like you said, Cowboys have no running game so why respect it. Double Lamb and Pickens all year and force someone else to beat you. I mean, who really scares anyone, Ferguson?

[Jaydubb]

Players list is always overrated crap IMO. Like what does CeeDee Lamb know about all the RBs in the NFL? Probably not much. I'd listen to his list about CBs and maybe other WRs. Outside of that I bet the fans see more.

NFL teams prep for the 14 different opponents they face that season. That is 18 teams that they don't pay attention to at all. So how can they make an accurate list exactly?

Exactly. I think they should have opposing position groups vote.

OL and DL
WRs and secondary
Linebackers and TEs/RBs

I feel like QBs can have the option of voting for any defensive player or multiple and rank them. But same side of the ball shouldn’t be able to vote for others on the same side and also players should vote against the guys they played against that year since it’s literally a ranking that comes out each year.

[QB_Eagles]

Ya 47 million in cap space serves no purpose.

Yeah, you usually use it to extend a key player, not use it to sign 4 replacement level players.

I have no idea how it will be applied but it should still be valuable in theory.
Having four extra guys make 12 million instead of league minimum still makes a huge difference.
Maybe it helps them sign Pickens and splurge on one free agent acquisition like LT if Guyton stumbles.
Either way it helps.

Veterans playing on league minimum are a rare thing. I couldn't tell you the last time it happened on the Eagles.

Mediocre guards are making $20 mil/year now, so what do you think $12 mil is going to buy?

The best you can hope for is a player overperforming on a 1-year proof-it deal.

[QB_Eagles]

Not even looking at the draft picks at all, you can replace Parsons with 4 others players that make $10m/per and all of them together will outproduce Parsons.

You don't because $10 mil/year is the typical cost of a mediocre veteran; maybe if you're lucky a good player on a 1-year prove-it deal.

Okay, so it is :

Parsons - $47m
Crap Player - $3m
Crap Player - $3m
Crap Player - $3m

or

"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m
"Decent Player" $14m


That is basically what the entire Pats Dynasty defense was, just a group of "good" players with no elite studs. Hell that is what your Eagles Defense is.

No, on a good team it would be:

Key Veteran - $40 mil
Decent player on rookie contract - $3
Decent player on rookie contract - $3
Decent player on rookie contract - $3

versus:

Replacement level veteran - $12 mil
Replacement level veteran - $12 mil
Replacement level veteran - $12 mil
Replacement level veteran - $12 mil