Re: Jonathan Kuminga Leaning Towards Signing One-Year Qualifying Offer With Warriors

[RealGM Wiretap]

The Golden State Warriors' one-year, $7.9 million qualifying offer is the "most attractive offer" to Jonathan Kuminga, sources told NBC Sports Bay Area.

The Warriors are currently offering a two-year deal worth around $45 million with a team option for the second year.

Kuminga's camp want a player option for year two.

Should Kuminga accept the one-year qualifying offer, he would have the right to veto any trades for this upcoming season.

It was reported earlier this summer that the Warriors expect Kuminga to be on the roster at the start of the season as they are uninterested in trading Buddy Hield or Moses Moody to help facilitate a trade, as per base-year compensation rules.

Via Dalton Johnson/NBC Sports Bay Area

[the_process]

This would be monumentally stupid on Kuminga's part. I get he wants to bet on himself, but Kerr already doesn't like playing him. How do you think it's gonna go if Johnny's on his QO?

He will be glued to the bench and next summer will come and he'll have to take like a 2-10 prove it deal somewhere. Now maybe after that he makes up the money? But probably not as he will be at least 50M in the hole at that point.

Take the guaranteed money and let GSW trade you and then get paid by your new team. Nerlens Noel is the cautionary tale here.

[Rawn Mexico]

The difference here is that, offensively, he’s light years ahead of Nerlens… he has value, why not just give him the player option 2nd year and then trade him? Dunleavy Jr is turning out to be a very low IQ GM.

[dubbmotta]

This would be monumentally stupid on Kuminga's part. I get he wants to bet on himself, but Kerr already doesn't like playing him. How do you think it's gonna go if Johnny's on his QO?

He will be glued to the bench and next summer will come and he'll have to take like a 2-10 prove it deal somewhere. Now maybe after that he makes up the money? But probably not as he will be at least 50M in the hole at that point.

Take the guaranteed money and let GSW trade you and then get paid by your new team. Nerlens Noel is the cautionary tale here.

Not stupid at all...
Even if he takes say a $20 million pay cut, if he goes to a city like Chicago, DC, etc. He's pay lesser in taxes (California taxes and sport tax is insane!) so the money is equal and he gets to go somewhere HE wants to go and be happy.

[Lockdown504090]

The difference here is that, offensively, he’s light years ahead of Nerlens… he has value, why not just give him the player option 2nd year and then trade him? Dunleavy Jr is turning out to be a very low IQ GM.

nerlens was galaxies ahead of jk as a defensive player at the most valuable defensive position and teams have never valued middling efficency scoring less than they do now.

[Bash1676]

At this point,he is better off leaving the warriors. It is not about the money to some extent. The warriors have refused to play him meaningful minutes which affects his development and money. Signing the 2 year offer with the warriors without a player option will be suicidal on his part. The warriors have shown they do not value him,so they will most likely trade him to a team that offers them an insane package. That team might not be an ideal situation for him roster wise. Taking the 1 year qualifying offer guarantees he can't be traded, and he also gets to dictate his next team. It's true the warriors can make sure he stays glued to the bench,but the other teams in the leaque ain't stupid. They already have solid tapes on him and will take a chance on him. His next contract might not be the best,but it will be much better than what the warriors are willing to pay him. He will also get valuable minutes to show out on his next contract.

An argument can be made that he can get injured,but injuries are a part of the game. He is also a young kid from africa,what he has earned already are generational wealth, and he will rather get his real monetary value than to be underutilized, and also underpayed!

[the_process]

This would be monumentally stupid on Kuminga's part. I get he wants to bet on himself, but Kerr already doesn't like playing him. How do you think it's gonna go if Johnny's on his QO?

He will be glued to the bench and next summer will come and he'll have to take like a 2-10 prove it deal somewhere. Now maybe after that he makes up the money? But probably not as he will be at least 50M in the hole at that point.

Take the guaranteed money and let GSW trade you and then get paid by your new team. Nerlens Noel is the cautionary tale here.

Not stupid at all...
Even if he takes say a $20 million pay cut, if he goes to a city like Chicago, DC, etc. He's pay lesser in taxes (California taxes and sport tax is insane!) so the money is equal and he gets to go somewhere HE wants to go and be happy.

He takes the QO, he is immediately down 34M. Kerr will use him less than usual, unless he suddenly grows a BBIQ. I imagine he vetoes any trades to keep Bird rights just in case.

Best case scenario they S&T him next summer? But what are you paying for a 25 year old who played sparingly for a contender-ish team? MLE? That's like 3-45.

Versus take the money now, probably get showcased some until you're trade eligible, then go to a new team who wants you and have given up assets for you so will pay you. Summer 2027, 4-160 from the new team certainly wouldn't be out the question.

[Bash1676]

This would be monumentally stupid on Kuminga's part. I get he wants to bet on himself, but Kerr already doesn't like playing him. How do you think it's gonna go if Johnny's on his QO?

He will be glued to the bench and next summer will come and he'll have to take like a 2-10 prove it deal somewhere. Now maybe after that he makes up the money? But probably not as he will be at least 50M in the hole at that point.

Take the guaranteed money and let GSW trade you and then get paid by your new team. Nerlens Noel is the cautionary tale here.

Not stupid at all...
Even if he takes say a $20 million pay cut, if he goes to a city like Chicago, DC, etc. He's pay lesser in taxes (California taxes and sport tax is insane!) so the money is equal and he gets to go somewhere HE wants to go and be happy.

He takes the QO, he is immediately down 34M. Kerr will use him less than usual, unless he suddenly grows a BBIQ. I imagine he vetoes any trades to keep Bird rights just in case.

Best case scenario they S&T him next summer? But what are you paying for a 25 year old who played sparingly for a contender-ish team? MLE? That's like 3-45.

Versus take the money now, probably get showcased some until you're trade eligible, then go to a new team who wants you and have given up assets for you so will pay you. Summer 2027, 4-160 from the new team certainly wouldn't be out the question.

I hope other players are watching this! They are literally sabotaging this young kids career! Kuminga should sign the QO and vetoe all trade. If he is losing money,the warriors shouldn't get to come away with an asset via trade. He will be stupid not to stick a middle finger to them on the way out

[the_process]

Not stupid at all...
Even if he takes say a $20 million pay cut, if he goes to a city like Chicago, DC, etc. He's pay lesser in taxes (California taxes and sport tax is insane!) so the money is equal and he gets to go somewhere HE wants to go and be happy.

He takes the QO, he is immediately down 34M. Kerr will use him less than usual, unless he suddenly grows a BBIQ. I imagine he vetoes any trades to keep Bird rights just in case.

Best case scenario they S&T him next summer? But what are you paying for a 25 year old who played sparingly for a contender-ish team? MLE? That's like 3-45.

Versus take the money now, probably get showcased some until you're trade eligible, then go to a new team who wants you and have given up assets for you so will pay you. Summer 2027, 4-160 from the new team certainly wouldn't be out the question.

I hope other players are watching this! They are literally sabotaging this young kids career! Kuminga should sign the QO and vetoe all trade. If he is losing money,the warriors shouldn't get to come away with an asset via trade. He will be stupid not to stick a middle finger to them on the way out

4-60(?) versus 6-200(?) isn't even a choice no matter how many middle fingers you get to hold up.

[hyberx]

Purely from a contractual perspective, it makes more sense for him to take the QO, if the 2 years comes with team option for the second year. If he gets injuried, then the team would cut him off on the 2nd year anyway. Might as well bet on yourself with the QO.

[Pickled Prunes]

Not stupid at all...
Even if he takes say a $20 million pay cut, if he goes to a city like Chicago, DC, etc. He's pay lesser in taxes (California taxes and sport tax is insane!) so the money is equal and he gets to go somewhere HE wants to go and be happy.

He takes the QO, he is immediately down 34M. Kerr will use him less than usual, unless he suddenly grows a BBIQ. I imagine he vetoes any trades to keep Bird rights just in case.

Best case scenario they S&T him next summer? But what are you paying for a 25 year old who played sparingly for a contender-ish team? MLE? That's like 3-45.

Versus take the money now, probably get showcased some until you're trade eligible, then go to a new team who wants you and have given up assets for you so will pay you. Summer 2027, 4-160 from the new team certainly wouldn't be out the question.

I hope other players are watching this! They are literally sabotaging this young kids career! Kuminga should sign the QO and vetoe all trade. If he is losing money,the warriors shouldn't get to come away with an asset via trade. He will be stupid not to stick a middle finger to them on the way out

GSW are not sabotaging Kuminga... their current offer is more than he's worth. If he was a $30m player, teams would absolutely be willing to give up a 1st and a prospect to get him. All 29 other teams passed on him this summer. Yes, he comes at a price, and it was universally decided that he isn't worth that price. A price set by him and his agent; a price that every GM in the league knows is ludicrous.

And to be clear, Kerr didn't sit him to be vindictive and he won't be vindictive if Kuminga signs the QO. Kerr sat Kuminga because he is a terrible decision maker. Kuminga can get a bucket and is a solid individual defender, but the team-D and team-O breaks down when he's on the floor. Everything the GSW do is based on team schemes, and Kuminga has failed to be a productive part of that. And before you say that Kerr hasn't given him the opportunity: Kuminga has played over 6,000 minutes for Kerr. He knows exactly what Kuminga brings and what he is worth.

[statsman]

He takes the QO, he is immediately down 34M. Kerr will use him less than usual, unless he suddenly grows a BBIQ. I imagine he vetoes any trades to keep Bird rights just in case.

Best case scenario they S&T him next summer?

Well, if he signs for the QO and a S&T were to happen next offseason, at least the BYC nonsense is off the table.

[Nate the Great]

If Kuminga takes the QO, there’s no good reason for the Warriors to play him major minutes; he hasn’t contributed to winning for them, and he could poison the locker room. I doubt he’d get the big money contract he thinks he deserves. But he doesn’t seem very smart, and I think his agent is trying to convince him he’s a big deal, so maybe he’ll do it anyway.

The Warriors should have traded him a couple years ago, when he’d have some value. Really, they shouldn’t have drafted him in the first place. All he wants to do is dunk.

[TimeisIllmatic]

Doesn't seem like it will end well for Kuminga. Going to be pretty awkward all season for him if he's likely staying in GS.

[Twinkie defense]

That's his choice, so just do it already, quit holding up everyone else.

[Twinkie defense]

The difference here is that, offensively, he’s light years ahead of Nerlens… he has value, why not just give him the player option 2nd year and then trade him? Dunleavy Jr is turning out to be a very low IQ GM.

Warriors are already gifting Kuminga an extra $13 mil why should they give him a PO for year 2? What if he sucks and no one wants him and Warriors are forced to pay him for two seasons and eat up cap space and a roster spot? You gonna do Steph Curry's last seasons like that?

[Twinkie defense]

At this point,he is better off leaving the warriors. It is not about the money to some extent. The warriors have refused to play him meaningful minutes which affects his development and money. Signing the 2 year offer with the warriors without a player option will be suicidal on his part. The warriors have shown they do not value him,so they will most likely trade him to a team that offers them an insane package. That team might not be an ideal situation for him roster wise. Taking the 1 year qualifying offer guarantees he can't be traded, and he also gets to dictate his next team. It's true the warriors can make sure he stays glued to the bench,but the other teams in the leaque ain't stupid. They already have solid tapes on him and will take a chance on him. His next contract might not be the best,but it will be much better than what the warriors are willing to pay him. He will also get valuable minutes to show out on his next contract.

An argument can be made that he can get injured,but injuries are a part of the game. He is also a young kid from africa,what he has earned already are generational wealth, and he will rather get his real monetary value than to be underutilized, and also underpayed!

If Kuminga plays for the QO it also inhibits his future earnings - a team will have to sign him into cap space (who has cap space?), or give him the MLE. Warriors are offering considerably more than the MLE which becomes the base salary a new contract builds on if he is signed and traded.

If Warriors sign him to a $20 mil+ per year deal, it is in their interest for him to play well so they can get trade value in return.

If Kuminga plays on the QO there is no incentive for the Warriors to play him unless they think he can help them win games - which for the most part they did not feel was the case last season.

[Twinkie defense]

I hope other players are watching this!

Al Horford, De'Anthony Melton, Gary Payton II and others are waiting for Kuminga to make up his damn mind because they are already committed to the Championship Warriors and HOFer Stephen Curry. Who the hell is Jonathan Kuminga?!

[Twinkie defense]

Purely from a contractual perspective, it makes more sense for him to take the QO, if the 2 years comes with team option for the second year. If he gets injuried, then the team would cut him off on the 2nd year anyway. Might as well bet on yourself with the QO.

If you get injured making $7.9 mil vs. making $21 mil in which scenario do you come out better?

[dk1115]

Does a mutual option work?