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jnrjr79 · Post #1281 » by **jnrjr79** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 3:27 pm

Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

I think it's because he looks weaker and not fully recovered from his injury.

biggestbullsfan · Post #1282 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 5:59 pm

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nomorezorro · Post #1283 » by **nomorezorro** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 6:08 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

I think it's because he looks weaker and not fully recovered from his injury.

yeah, i've been a "braxton is passable and totally fine as your weakest link on the OL" guy, but he's absolutely looked rougher than usual this preseason. totally reasonable to be concerned about that

still ultimately think we're in fine shape with him as your worst OL and with an all-pro guy next to him. there are a lot of bad starting OL in this league, including on good teams. scheme up help on that side, minimize his responsibilities - these are the things a good offensive mind can do, and it's why we hired ben johnson

jnrjr79 · Post #1284 » by **jnrjr79** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 6:35 pm

nomorezorro wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

I think it's because he looks weaker and not fully recovered from his injury.

yeah, i've been a "braxton is passable and totally fine as your weakest link on the OL" guy, but he's absolutely looked rougher than usual this preseason. totally reasonable to be concerned about that

still ultimately think we're in fine shape with him as your worst OL and with an all-pro guy next to him. there are a lot of bad starting OL in this league, including on good teams. scheme up help on that side, minimize his responsibilities - these are the things a good offensive mind can do, and it's why we hired ben johnson

Yeah, I think a healthy version of Jones is generally fine if the rest of your line is good. I just don't know how long it's going to take him to get back to what he was before he got hurt. I was listening to Hoge & Jahns in the last week or so, and they said his leg looks noticeably smaller/different, and that in week 1, they expect Flores to come after him aggressively to test the injury/recovery.

panthermark · Post #1285 » by **panthermark** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 7:10 pm

The problem (at least in the past....hopefully) was that Jones graded out as one of our TOP linemen.

Dresden · Post #1286 » by **Dresden** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 8:17 pm

panthermark wrote:The problem (at least in the past....hopefully) was that Jones graded out as one of our TOP linemen.

That WAS a problem, although Teven was likely our best when healthy. And Shelton Coleman wasn't bad at center last year after a rough start.

In general, I just wouldn't get worried about LT based on preseason games and a guy coming off an injury. It was bound to take him a bit to get back to form. He'll have an all-pro playing next to him, which will help.

Susan · Post #1287 » by **Susan** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 8:33 pm

Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

1. He had a significant injury and had complications during the off-season
2. How the coaches have talked about him - they wanted to name the OL starters way long ago and just did it this week. This means he hasn't looked great
3. He didn't look good in pre-season

It's just not realistic to expect him to suddenly get healthy during the midst of an NFL season.

Dresden · Post #1288 » by **Dresden** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 8:45 pm

Susan wrote:
Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

1. He had a significant injury and had complications during the off-season
2. How the coaches have talked about him - they wanted to name the OL starters way long ago and just did it this week. This means he hasn't looked great
3. He didn't look good in pre-season

It's just not realistic to expect him to suddenly get healthy during the midst of an NFL season.

Why not? Injuries heal, and apparently he's well enough to play now, so that means the injury has healed.

jnrjr79 · Post #1289 » by **jnrjr79** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 9:08 pm

Dresden wrote:
Susan wrote:
Dresden wrote:Hasn't Braxton graded out as an average LT by PFF? Why does everyone assume he's going to be an utter failure this season, especially when he's got a guy like Thuney playing next to him?

1. He had a significant injury and had complications during the off-season
2. How the coaches have talked about him - they wanted to name the OL starters way long ago and just did it this week. This means he hasn't looked great
3. He didn't look good in pre-season

It's just not realistic to expect him to suddenly get healthy during the midst of an NFL season.

Why not? Injuries heal, and apparently he's well enough to play now, so that means the injury has healed.

The fact that someone is playing football in the NFL does not mean they are fully "healed" from an injury. Guys play at less than 100% all the time.

I agree, though, it's possible he'll regain strength during the season.

The concerning thing to me is it doesn't really seem like Jones won the LT competition so much as he's the default option because the other guys did not shine when given the opportunity. It's been reported the Bears may reevaluate the starting LT during the bye week, so it's not like the team has any particular confidence in Jones at this point.

Dominator83 · Post #1290 » by **Dominator83** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 10:21 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Susan wrote:
1. He had a significant injury and had complications during the off-season
2. How the coaches have talked about him - they wanted to name the OL starters way long ago and just did it this week. This means he hasn't looked great
3. He didn't look good in pre-season

It's just not realistic to expect him to suddenly get healthy during the midst of an NFL season.

Why not? Injuries heal, and apparently he's well enough to play now, so that means the injury has healed.

The fact that someone is playing football in the NFL does not mean they are fully "healed" from an injury. Guys play at less than 100% all the time.

I agree, though, it's possible he'll regain strength during the season.

The concerning thing to me is it doesn't really seem like Jones won the LT competition so much as he's the default option because the other guys did not shine when given the opportunity. It's been reported the Bears may reevaluate the starting LT during the bye week, so it's not like the team has any particular confidence in Jones at this point.

Yep. last year when Pacheco came back from that broken fibula, you can tell he really wasn't "healed" even though he was playing

Dresden · Post #1291 » by **Dresden** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 10:22 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Susan wrote:
1. He had a significant injury and had complications during the off-season
2. How the coaches have talked about him - they wanted to name the OL starters way long ago and just did it this week. This means he hasn't looked great
3. He didn't look good in pre-season

It's just not realistic to expect him to suddenly get healthy during the midst of an NFL season.

Why not? Injuries heal, and apparently he's well enough to play now, so that means the injury has healed.

The fact that someone is playing football in the NFL does not mean they are fully "healed" from an injury. Guys play at less than 100% all the time.

I agree, though, it's possible he'll regain strength during the season.

The concerning thing to me is it doesn't really seem like Jones won the LT competition so much as he's the default option because the other guys did not shine when given the opportunity. It's been reported the Bears may reevaluate the starting LT during the bye week, so it's not like the team has any particular confidence in Jones at this point.

Yeah, I realize guys play hurt. But he's obviously well enough that he's starting. There's no reason to believe he's not fully healed though- I don't think anyone has said that isn't. Again, I think a lot is being made of these things- preseason games, someone saying his leg looked smaller, coaches waiting to announce a starter. All these things could mean we have a problem at LT, or they could be meaningless. No one will know until we see them play, but I'm giving Braxton the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that he's graded out as an average LT in the past.

Post #1292 » by **fleet** » Thu Sep 4, 2025 10:34 pm

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I don’t know what potential pick we could get from losing Braxton Jones, but that potential was always what made Braxton Jones succeeding this year the best case scenario that is more important than trying to break in Trapilo. That said, the way he still looks, he’s not gonna have much upside left to realize in this process, so pretty meager outlook.

Post #1293 » by **CBS7** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 12:28 am

Jalen Carter is dumb

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Chi town · Post #1295 » by **Chi town** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 12:36 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:Jalen Carter ladies and gentlemen….

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That def shifted all the momentum quick.

One play and you lose your FB to a serious leg injury and your best defender.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1296 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 12:42 am

Character is important.

Betta Bulleavit · Post #1297 » by **Betta Bulleavit** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 1:05 am

Chi town wrote:
Betta Bulleavit wrote:Jalen Carter ladies and gentlemen….

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That def shifted all the momentum quick.

One play and you lose your FB to a serious leg injury and your best defender.

In the grand scheme of things, it’s just one play, I guess. But it’s the despicable nature of the act that makes you think…WTH??

Chi town · Post #1298 » by **Chi town** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 1:32 am

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Post #1299 » by **fleet** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 2:26 am

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:Character is important.

Talent is important. And its just one play. He’s been fine. Nndamukong Suh had a career of bad behavior, and every team in the league would have loved to have his career.

MAQ · Post #1300 » by **MAQ** » Fri Sep 5, 2025 2:31 am

Is it really just one play when you get yourself tossed from the game? Before you're even involved in a play? Feels like that's a scenario beyond "just one play."

Not an attempt to change anyone's mind, but i feel Poles played the Carter situation correctly. The eagles, by all accounts, has leaders up and down that roster...from the qb to the d-line to the o-line. And even with all that leadership, Carter still does bone headed things like that.

I truly cannot imagine what he would have done as the unquestionable best, most important player on a team with Matt eberflus as his head coach. Would have been a nightmare.