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2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks TONIGHT 7:00 p.m. CDT

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Re: 2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks Thursday 7:00 p.m. CDT 

Post#41 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Sep 3, 2025 1:41 pm

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My pick for 2025: In the playoffs (NFC North champions)

Just as I was beginning to finalize this column late last week, the Micah Parsons trade knocked the Cowboys out of my provisional playoff bracket and pushed the Packers ahead of their competition in the NFC North. As I mentioned in my reaction on the Parsons trade, the Packers weren't far off from the Lions a year ago, finishing one spot behind Dan Campbell's team in DVOA. The Packers are the youngest team in the league on a snap-weighted age basis, so there are plenty of potential breakout candidates on the roster.

If they were missing a bit of star power, they got all they needed with the addition of Parsons, who is one of the best defensive players in football. Assuming that Parsons doesn't miss significant time with his back issue, the Packers added the same player who made the Cowboys the best defense in the NFL when he was on the field and its worst when he wasn't. The Packers did so while subtracting just one player from the current roster in defensive tackle Kenny Clark.

The Packers aren't perfect, of course. Their run defense is suddenly a question mark after the departures of Clark and T.J. Slaton Jr. Jordan Love has been inconsistent, and while there are reasons to talk yourself into the guy we saw in the second half of 2023 and 2024 as the real Love, it's entirely possible we get another year with high highs and low lows from the 26-year-old signal-caller. If we get the post-Toyotathon version of Love for 17 games, though, the Packers could be the best team in the league. With some reservations about the Lions and Vikings, I'm pushing the Packers into first place in the NFC North.


Minnesota Vikings

My pick for 2025: Out of the playoffs

Vikings fans are sick of hearing about their record in one-score games, but when you go from 9-0 to 4-8 then to 8-1 across Kevin O'Connell's first three seasons in charge, it's going to be a significant part of the conversation. We know that's a meaningful predictor of what happens next, so it's tough to imagine the Vikings playing at the same level and getting the same results.

Can they keep up what we saw last season? A thrilling defense led the league in turnovers, as the Vikings jumped from 19th in turnover rate to second. That's difficult to sustain, especially with the Vikings turning over a chunk of their secondary. This was the oldest team in football on a snap-weighted age basis, and after adding several new starters in free agency and making only three top-100 picks over the past two years, it's tough to count on O'Connell's team getting dramatically younger this season.

One of the places where they will get younger, of course, is at quarterback, with J.J. McCarthy taking over as the starter after missing all of his rookie year with a knee injury. The Vikings invested heavily along the line of scrimmage this offseason, and they probably won't need to lean on their quarterback as much as they did on early downs with Sam Darnold and Kirk Cousins. But we just don't know whether McCarthy will be an upgrade on the passers who preceded him. My instinct is that he's something close, but instead, a defensive decline and a less fortunate year in one-score contests push the Vikings back toward the middle of the NFC pack.


Detroit Lions

My pick for 2025: In the playoffs (NFC wild card)

With my four division retainers already claimed, I was left with one of the four remaining winners to push into the playoffs as a wild-card team. Of those four, it seemed clear to pick the Lions, who could fall off from their 15-win season and still have plenty left in the tank to make it to the postseason. Despite losing just about every pass rusher and cornerback they had on the roster by the time the defense finally fell apart in the playoffs, an inspired effort from D-coordinator Aaron Glenn and an inspired offense fueled by coordinator Ben Johnson was enough to consistently get the Lions over the hump on a weekly basis. They dominated bad teams and reliably beat good ones.

The Lions should still be among the league's best teams, although they probably won't ride their luck to another 7-2 mark in one-score contests. The defense can't possibly be as injured as it was a year ago, but the offense was one of the league's healthiest, and there are real questions about the new-look interior of their O-line. It's tough to envision a scenario in which the Lions don't take some sort of hit after losing both Glenn and Johnson to head-coaching gigs. That could be just enough to open the door for one of the teams below them in the NFC North, although I won't spoil which one just yet.

That leaves me to project three 2024 division winners to miss the postseason entirely. Two of them defied that fate last season. Can they keep it up again?


Chicago Bears

My pick for 2025: In the playoffs (NFC wild card)

The Cowboys were going to be a wild-card team in the initial draft of these rankings, but after the Micah Parsons trade, they dropped out. And that opened a spot for the Bears. Like the 49ers and the Jaguars, Chicago is on this year's likely-to-improve list. Unlike the 49ers and the Jaguars, though, Chicago's quantitative case isn't quite as strong. The Bears were 3-7 in one-score games, which isn't ideal, but they weren't the most injured team, didn't play the toughest schedule in the league and weren't subject to many once-in-an-NFL-lifetime statistics.


What I think the Bears did do, though, is make a major coaching upgrade by going from Matt Eberflus and Thomas Brown to Ben Johnson. If that turns out to be the case and Johnson unlocks the best from Caleb Williams in the process, the Bears might have significantly improved performance from the two most important positions in football. I'm not sure there's enough in the tank to get them past the Lions and Packers, but with the Cowboys nobly sacrificing their best defensive player two weeks before the start of the season, I'm willing to believe the Bears sneak in as a wild card in 2025.
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Re: 2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks Thursday 7:00 p.m. CDT 

Post#42 » by humanrefutation » Wed Sep 3, 2025 6:59 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Genuinely confused by the amount of people doing a complete about-face on this team's projections/potential (not just on this board but around the league in general) just because of the Parsons trade. If you didn't think this team was a "legitimate" Super Bowl contender (whatever that means), then no skill position player, no matter how great, has the kind of impact that'll tilt the scales the other way. That's just not how football works.


Of course, adding any single player won't turn a bad team into a Super Bowl contender. But it can make the difference between fringe contention and serious contention.

In my view, adding a premier player at a crucial position is going to change the outlook for this team. A premier pass rusher, especially, has the opportunity to wreck an opponent more than any other defensive player. The downstream effects on the rest of the defense of having that premier pass rusher are massively influential to this team's outlook.

You might have looked at the underlying metrics and concluded that they were already a serious Super Bowl contender. I thought of them more as a fringe contender that could make a run if everything clicks. In any event, you cannot dispute that adding Parsons raises this team's floor and ceiling.
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Re: 2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks Thursday 7:00 p.m. CDT 

Post#43 » by PintSizedBox10 » Wed Sep 3, 2025 7:56 pm

Real prediction: 10-7 lose in the NFCCG (again)
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Post#44 » by humanrefutation » Wed Sep 3, 2025 8:54 pm

After some more thoughts, I've updated my predictions to a loss in the NFCCG to the Iggles. I think the Commanders and Eagles will be neck-and-neck for the NFC East. The Giants and Cowboys are going to take a step back, which gives them an easier division than the gauntlet which is the NFC North. Whoever wins that division will get HFA, IMO. And I've got the Eagles edging it out.
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Re: 2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks Thursday 7:00 p.m. CDT 

Post#45 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Sep 3, 2025 9:15 pm

Commanders will be interesting. They didn't beat a team with a winning record in the regular season except the Eagles in week 16 without Hurts. But going into Tampa and especially Detroit to win in the playoffs was impressive. They're trending up.
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Re: 2025 NFL/Packers Prediction Thread - Locks Thursday 7:00 p.m. CDT 

Post#46 » by Ayt » Wed Sep 3, 2025 9:54 pm

There are a few things to keep in mind when evaluating Love, the offense, and the potential of the team. The drops and mistakes by receivers last season were brutal. The OL should also be upgraded with the addition of Banks and the move of Jenkins to C in replace of Myers who was a scrub. You also have Morgan pushing for PT as a potential upgrade.

Back to the receiving corps, everyone already on the roster has another year of development and Golden looks like he could be special. I'm not a huge Musgrave fan, but he should be back healthy and could have the ability to occupy safeties up the seam.

If Golden is the real deal, and if the rest of the group can even just be average when it comes to drops and mistakes, the offense could be a powerhouse.

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Post#47 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Sep 3, 2025 10:01 pm

And even despite that, Love finished the season with a higher passer rating, QBR, success rate, yards per attempt, and TD% than his first year. This narrative that he "regressed" never made a lick of sense.
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Post#48 » by ReginaldDwight » Wed Sep 3, 2025 11:21 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:And even despite that, Love finished the season with a higher passer rating, QBR, success rate, yards per attempt, and TD% than his first year. This narrative that he "regressed" never made a lick of sense.

It does when you realize a lot of people don't closely watch the games.
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Post#49 » by ReginaldDwight » Thu Sep 4, 2025 11:29 pm

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Post#50 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Sep 4, 2025 11:43 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Too thin at corner and need more pass rush production. 7-9 wins

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Parsons elevates just about everyone on D. If he is healthy 11-7. Enough to win the toughest division in the league but may come down to tiebreakers.

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NFCCG appearance in a loss to #1 seed Philly.

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ETA: That offense is so flawless though. F it. 13 wins and a Super Bowl dub.
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