Best trade destinations for Brandon Ingram?

[Billl]

If Ingram is healthy and playing at an allstar level as OP implies then he would return positive value. Gigantic if though

No, he won't. A few months of a healthy ingram isn't going to convince anyone that he's going to be a reliable star level player over the course of his contract.

Plenty of all stars who missed significant time returned positive value.

We aren't talking about a guy who got hurt once and recovered.

[Godaddycurse]

In the OP, it's specifically supposed that he's not leading Toronto to playoff success? So it makes sense to see that comparison, right?


But more specifically on trade value, we just saw Ingram not go for much value to Toronto. In this case, he'd be entering a 1+1 type contract situation, so very similar to what he was just traded under, but maybe worse as he'd have a player option? If we're supposing, as the OP asked, that Ingram didn't produce enough to impact Toronto's winning greatly, he surely wouldn't have gained value?

I could be wrong but i thought OP is implying he is playing well in 25-26 but we are in 7th to 10th in standings and is asking for trade inquiry mid season. So it would be for 2 playoff runs, not 1. If Ingram is playing that well and we are in 7th or worse it's probably due to serious injuries elsewhere on the roster.

Maybe midseason? But that doesn't massively increase his value either. And if he's looking like he needs traded, then he's probably not playing well either, or else Toronto would be looking much better than just first round fodder? It's hard to project exactly when this would happen with all the assumptions in the OP?

But if Ingram is "needing" to be traded for some reason this season, and Toronto is willing to trade him, we can pretty safely assume his value hasn't appreciated?

I dont think Ingram needs to be traded if he is playing as well as OP implies. it's a weird quesiton/situation he phrased. I would look to build on him and surround him and barnes w/ better pieces instead in this wide open east conference. But yea i have him pegged at expiring and protected 1st currently unless he shows us more availability and/or ability

[Scoot McGroot]

I could be wrong but i thought OP is implying he is playing well in 25-26 but we are in 7th to 10th in standings and is asking for trade inquiry mid season. So it would be for 2 playoff runs, not 1. If Ingram is playing that well and we are in 7th or worse it's probably due to serious injuries elsewhere on the roster.

Maybe midseason? But that doesn't massively increase his value either. And if he's looking like he needs traded, then he's probably not playing well either, or else Toronto would be looking much better than just first round fodder? It's hard to project exactly when this would happen with all the assumptions in the OP?

But if Ingram is "needing" to be traded for some reason this season, and Toronto is willing to trade him, we can pretty safely assume his value hasn't appreciated?

I dont think Ingram needs to be traded if he is playing as well as OP implies. it's a weird quesiton/situation he phrased. I would look to build on him and surround him and barnes w/ better pieces instead in this wide open east conference. But yea i have him pegged at expiring and protected 1st currently unless he shows us more availability and/or ability

Maybe, but the OP supposes he must be traded, so we're all responding to that assumption?

[Godaddycurse]

Maybe midseason? But that doesn't massively increase his value either. And if he's looking like he needs traded, then he's probably not playing well either, or else Toronto would be looking much better than just first round fodder? It's hard to project exactly when this would happen with all the assumptions in the OP?

But if Ingram is "needing" to be traded for some reason this season, and Toronto is willing to trade him, we can pretty safely assume his value hasn't appreciated?

I dont think Ingram needs to be traded if he is playing as well as OP implies. it's a weird quesiton/situation he phrased. I would look to build on him and surround him and barnes w/ better pieces instead in this wide open east conference. But yea i have him pegged at expiring and protected 1st currently unless he shows us more availability and/or ability

Maybe, but the OP supposes he must be traded, so we're all responding to that assumption?

not really, OP suggest they should assess his value in case they want to pivot to a tank again. Nothing about him must be traded..

[Scoot McGroot]

I dont think Ingram needs to be traded if he is playing as well as OP implies. it's a weird quesiton/situation he phrased. I would look to build on him and surround him and barnes w/ better pieces instead in this wide open east conference. But yea i have him pegged at expiring and protected 1st currently unless he shows us more availability and/or ability

Maybe, but the OP supposes he must be traded, so we're all responding to that assumption?

not really, OP suggest they should assess his value in case they want to pivot to a tank again. Nothing about him must be traded..

Oh, ok. But he didn't say if they want to pivot to a tank. Just if they're not looking at winning a ton of games as hoped for. To me, that implies that Ingram isn't leading to winning games? So trading him wouldn't imply a pivot to a tank, as trading Ingram wouldn't necessarily cause them to lose games?


But if we go to the OP and just use the last sentences, I'll respond more directly to the OP.

His market won't be large. His value won't have appreciably improved from what we just saw. It may be a tad worse as there's now a player option involved. If his value was higher, Toronto wouldn't consider trading him.

[Godaddycurse]

Maybe, but the OP supposes he must be traded, so we're all responding to that assumption?

not really, OP suggest they should assess his value in case they want to pivot to a tank again. Nothing about him must be traded..

Oh, ok. But he didn't say if they want to pivot to a tank. Just if they're not looking at winning a ton of games as hoped for. To me, that implies that Ingram isn't leading to winning games? So trading him wouldn't imply a pivot to a tank, as trading Ingram wouldn't necessarily cause them to lose games?


But if we go to the OP and just use the last sentences, I'll respond more directly to the OP.

His market won't be large. His value won't have appreciably improved from what we just saw. It may be a tad worse as there's now a player option involved. If his value was higher, Toronto wouldn't consider trading him.

Yea i agree that he wouldnt be worth much if any more. Just disagree that he is empty calorie or that his current contract which is slightly lower percenatge of cap than before is negative. Atlanta offered similar valued package (okongwu/hunter etc) as Toronto last TDL IIRC.

[gswhoops]

The term “all star” is getting used pretty loosely in this thread. Ingram made one ASG five years ago, and hasn’t sniffed one since

23/5/5 in the weak east on a playoff team is probably an all star..

It's possible but idk that I'd say "probable" if Toronto is first-round fodder like the OP suggests.

Giannis and Towns are essentially locks. Bam, Mobley, Siakam, and Paolo (and/or Franz) are likely ahead of BI in the pecking order if they/their teams are playing well. BI seems like he's at best in the third tier with guys like Barnes, Jarrett Allen, Jalen Johnson, etc. who could sneak in if multiple guys ahead of them get injured/have down years or they take a big leap.

[psman2]

not really, OP suggest they should assess his value in case they want to pivot to a tank again. Nothing about him must be traded..

Oh, ok. But he didn't say if they want to pivot to a tank. Just if they're not looking at winning a ton of games as hoped for. To me, that implies that Ingram isn't leading to winning games? So trading him wouldn't imply a pivot to a tank, as trading Ingram wouldn't necessarily cause them to lose games?


But if we go to the OP and just use the last sentences, I'll respond more directly to the OP.

His market won't be large. His value won't have appreciably improved from what we just saw. It may be a tad worse as there's now a player option involved. If his value was higher, Toronto wouldn't consider trading him.

Yea i agree that he wouldnt be worth much if any more. Just disagree that he is empty calorie or that his current contract which is slightly lower percenatge of cap than before is negative. Atlanta offered similar valued package (okongwu/hunter etc) as Toronto last TDL IIRC.

That is what New Orleans was asking for, not what was reported offered by Atlanta. Atlanta didn't want to include Okongwu. Likely something like Bogdon/Hunter was the offer, with Hunter likely rerouted to Clev still and NO getting that return.

[Jody Smokz]

These are my thoughts as well. If they find some chemistry Toronto could very well be a playoff team out East. If they can't improve this year it's more than Ingram they should be questioning. Scottie Barnes is their highest paid player with the most years attached. How well he does will say more about the direction of the team.

I could be wrong but i thought OP is implying he is playing well in 25-26 but we are in 7th to 10th in standings and is asking for trade inquiry mid season. So it would be for 2 playoff runs, not 1. If Ingram is playing that well and we are in 7th or worse it's probably due to serious injuries elsewhere on the roster.

Maybe midseason? But that doesn't massively increase his value either. And if he's looking like he needs traded, then he's probably not playing well either, or else Toronto would be looking much better than just first round fodder? It's hard to project exactly when this would happen with all the assumptions in the OP?

But if Ingram is "needing" to be traded for some reason this season, and Toronto is willing to trade him, we can pretty safely assume his value hasn't appreciated?

I dont think Ingram needs to be traded if he is playing as well as OP implies. it's a weird quesiton/situation he phrased. I would look to build on him and surround him and barnes w/ better pieces instead in this wide open east conference. But yea i have him pegged at expiring and protected 1st currently unless he shows us more availability and/or ability

[Mr Swagtastic]

If Toronto moved Ingram right now it would be a PR nightmare. Like you just moved a decent pick plus expiring deals and now his value is not great. I don't see many upgrade options out there. Tobias Harris plus ok your getting depth but still on a sinking ship. Toronto has to decide are they going full rebuild by sending Barnes for picks and moving off Ingram.

I think they probably make a 7th seed to a play in team in a weak East this year. You've got quite a few stars hurt

[LightTheBeam]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

[Godaddycurse]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

Kuzma is hot garbage. sweetener going wrong way.

[One_and_Done]

If Toronto moved Ingram right now it would be a PR nightmare. Like you just moved a decent pick plus expiring deals and now his value is not great. I don't see many upgrade options out there. Tobias Harris plus ok your getting depth but still on a sinking ship. Toronto has to decide are they going full rebuild by sending Barnes for picks and moving off Ingram.

I think they probably make a 7th seed to a play in team in a weak East this year. You've got quite a few stars hurt

I feel pretty confident that it's going to look bad regardless of when Toronto moves Ingram.

[jayjaysee]

I liked Ingram too much last time around, so probably still do now?

Toronto’s roster is a problem. But I think Ingram will still be a slight positive if he’s healthy and playing as OP has him?

Bucks offer should be Kuz/KPJ/Rollins and a lightly protected 2031 first if it makes Giannis happy..

I think I like Miami trading for him? Think you can start Bam/Ingram/Wiggins and rotate Ware in? Probably easy to convince me that’s a terrible idea.

Phoenix should offer something?

Chicago can afford him no matter what they pay Giddey/White and he matches the play-in chase.

[babyjax13]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

That was more of an example of where I see his value. With DeRozan still on the team Ingram doesn't make a ton of sense there.

[jayjaysee]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

That was more of an example of where I see his value. With DeRozan still on the team Ingram doesn't make a ton of sense there.

I would feel bad for Sac fans, but I’d think their offer would be Demar/Monk as the salary base not LaVine. You’d pretend you have 3 stars all in their primes and try to lead the league in scoring at least. Figure out the minor asset owed, the third team that makes it make sense.

[Sactowndog]

He's a little empty calories. His ideal role is on a play-in team who is trying to sell false hope to their fans. I'd say he's in the perfect spot right now, unless Chicago is interested.

Sounds like a Kings player to me!

Would you consider a LaVine for Ingram and Filler swap?

[gswhoops]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

Kuzma is hot garbage. sweetener going wrong way.

Yeah I mean you can tell from this thread I'm not a huge BI fan but he's miles better than Kuzma

[zeebneeb]

I think there will be some offers but they will not be a ton. E.g. Lavine for Ingram with some small incentive either way.

I'd rather have LaVine, at least he expires a year sooner.

I think it takes incentive to move Ingram. Struggling to find a home for him. Does Philly give some incentive to swap him and PG13?
Would the Bucks move Portis/Kuzma for Ingram + sweetener?

Kuzma is hot garbage. sweetener going wrong way.

In reading this thread, this stuck out to me. Sure Ingrams value isn't much, but Kuz has negative value.

Bucks would have a much harder time getting rid of Kuz, then the Raps getting rid of Ingram. Kuzma, is absolutely hot garbage right now, and the landfills are closed.

[Toine85]

I could see Ingram and an expiring contract to Charlotte for Miles Bridges and Josh Green?