Around the NBA 2024-25 - In Our Offseason, Vol. 1

[thebuzzardman]

Can’t wait for the Knicks to add another mediocre guard to their undersized roster

[Wildcat]

Is Cam freakin' stupid?

Idk i cant blame him. The nets were being dumb asf. Next year theres 10+ teams with cap space that can offer him way more. this is Lol nets

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Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

[3toheadmelo]

Is Cam freakin' stupid?

Idk i cant blame him. The nets were being dumb asf. Next year theres 10+ teams with cap space that can offer him way more. this is Lol nets

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Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

[KnicksGadfly]

Idk i cant blame him. The nets were being dumb asf. Next year theres 10+ teams with cap space that can offer him way more. this is Lol nets

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Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

[MrDollarBills]

Cam's current skillset isn't what he thinks it's worth, but the sooner he gets away from there, the better off he'll be.

[Guano]

Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The market will be high for him by the trade deadline. They'll flip him to a contender for some picks and/or prospect.

[ctorres]

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The market will be high for him by the trade deadline. They'll flip him to a contender for some picks and/or prospect.

Cam will have a no-trade clause because he only signed for the QO. Nets apparently offered him more than the QO but he rejected it so he could have the no-trade clause.

[KnicksGadfly]

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The market will be high for him by the trade deadline. They'll flip him to a contender for some picks and/or prospect.

Cam will have a no-trade clause because he only signed for the QO. Nets apparently offered him more than the QO but he rejected it so he could have the no-trade clause.

Yep, and considering that 2nd round picks aren’t really cheap and that Cam might be able to get a late first back at least, I would have not capped my offer at 9.5/1 year

[MrDollarBills]

That Steve Ballmer interview was horrible and if the league tries to let this slide, the Knicks need to start setting up LLCs across the city. Why pay Brunson a supermax when Dolan can just pay him under the table?

ESPN trying to do damage control on the league's behalf is also highly corrupt.

[WaltFrazier]

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I told yall this dude doesn't want to hoop.

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Time for CAA to take over his representation?

[3toheadmelo]

Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The Bulls are playing a dangerous game with Giddey as well. I’m not sure how you trade one of your best assets in Caruso for a young PG but you refuse to pay him his worth. Especially how he led them to the play in game averaging almost a 20 PPG triple double after they got rid of Lavine.

The Grimes situation is really interesting to me. The Sixers are loaded with guards so I can see why they’re low balling Grimes. He should probably take the QO and join a new team next year.

[WaltFrazier]

Poor Rokas got hurt at Eurobasket:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/knicks-international-guard-suffers-significant-acl-injury-during-eurobasket/ar-AA1LTgp5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=68bae70f4b7743f3a32b214b2a510d18&ei=8

[JayTWill]

Option 3 is by far the worse.

Takes 3.5 less so he can't be moved. And if he took the 2 year deal at 30 mil, at least he made 15 mil his first year before the Nets decide whether to keep him or not. And the Nets are positioned to have a fair amount of cap space next season because other than Chicago, there isn't any other high profile locations to set up shop at, and call me crazy, but he doesn't seem to fit Utah or Washington. And if you're going to leave next season anyway because that's basically what signing a QF is, then what the F is the point of taking lesser money so you're not traded during the season? Control is one thing, double your damn income is totally different.

This is stupid.

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

But how much do the Nets lose? It seems like the league has begun to devalue the Cam Thomas types. For example someone like Collin Sexton has been putting up almost 20 ppg on better efficiency for the last 2 years on a rebuilding Utah team in a slightly smaller role than Cam Thomas. Ainge who is known to try to attempt to squeeze out every ounce of value in a trade just sent out Sexton along with a 2nd round pick for an older, slightly more expensive Nurkic to join the tanking Jazz team.

The Jazz also couldn't find a taker for Clarkson's $14M deal and he was bought out. The Grizzlies couldn't find a taker for Cole Anthony''s $13M and his contract was waived and stretched. Both of them were acquired by their current teams for the vet min. If the Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas this may not be a situation where they just offer him more money or a longer deal and just flip him for value later. They may have just been stuck with a player that they and other teams no longer value.

2 years at 15M per year may have been the most they thought they could give him and still possibly flip him for neutral value or just let him walk. They have the benefit of not worrying about losing his salary slot as they have plenty of capspace and I wouldn't be shocked if someone like Sexton could be had for much less than $15M next year unless he is just an incredible fit on the Hornets.

[Capn'O]

15 mil for one year and then the nets hold him hostage by accepting the team option in a offseason where a bunch of teams have cap space doesn't seem smart in the long term in my eyes. Would you rather have 15 mil for 1 year or 15 mil over the next 4 years?

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The Bulls are playing a dangerous game with Giddey as well. I’m not sure how you trade one of your best assets in Caruso for a young PG but you refuse to pay him his worth. Especially how he led them to the play in game averaging almost a 20 PPG triple double after they got rid of Lavine.

The Grimes situation is really interesting to me. The Sixers are loaded with guards so I can see why they’re low balling Grimes. He should probably take the QO and join a new team next year.

The Bulls are so dumb and nobody should help them.

Warriors/Sixers need to figure something out. Kuminga on the Sixers and Grimes on the Warriors seem like pretty natural fits.

Grimes on the Pistons next to Cade would be filthy too.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I told yall this dude doesn't want to hoop.

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Time for CAA to take over his representation?

[MrDollarBills]

Yep. I think one thing is really clear. The Nets don't believe in Cam Thomas. That's fine. However, they're also big losers in this scenario because they clearly wanted to control his rights, with the 9.5 million dollar 1 year office. The Golden State Warriors, for example, are doing the same dance with Kuminga. They can't pay him what he wants but if they let him take the QO, they're going to lose an asset. They got too arrogant imo. Cam definitely hasn't made much money as a late round draft pick, but they really tried to lowball him, when negotiations are also driven by emotion, not just logic.

9.5...that's super offensive. MLE is 14 mill. That's for a mid-level player in the league. Even if Cam is just a 6th man in the Nets' eyes, he's worth a lot more. Cam loses big too, but the Nets should have never let it get to the point where he has to take his QO. I'm pretty sure they have money before they hit the salary cap.

So yea, Cam loses, but the Nets lose too. They're not a team that can afford to lose assets and now they have an unhappy player that they can't move and is playing for his next contract, when they have a bunch of rookies that need good leadership and culture. Bad negotiations on their end. Not even sure Cam was the problem for their team last year.

The Bulls are playing a dangerous game with Giddey as well. I’m not sure how you trade one of your best assets in Caruso for a young PG but you refuse to pay him his worth. Especially how he led them to the play in game averaging almost a 20 PPG triple double after they got rid of Lavine.

The Grimes situation is really interesting to me. The Sixers are loaded with guards so I can see why they’re low balling Grimes. He should probably take the QO and join a new team next year.

The Bulls are so dumb and nobody should help them.

Warriors/Sixers need to figure something out. Kuminga on the Sixers and Grimes on the Warriors seem like pretty natural fits.

Grimes on the Pistons next to Cade would be filthy too.

That would be problematic so I don't hope that happens

[Capn'O]

The Bulls are playing a dangerous game with Giddey as well. I’m not sure how you trade one of your best assets in Caruso for a young PG but you refuse to pay him his worth. Especially how he led them to the play in game averaging almost a 20 PPG triple double after they got rid of Lavine.

The Grimes situation is really interesting to me. The Sixers are loaded with guards so I can see why they’re low balling Grimes. He should probably take the QO and join a new team next year.

The Bulls are so dumb and nobody should help them.

Warriors/Sixers need to figure something out. Kuminga on the Sixers and Grimes on the Warriors seem like pretty natural fits.

Grimes on the Pistons next to Cade would be filthy too.

That would be problematic so I don't hope that happens

For sure. An awkward outcome of that Pistons series for me is I really like Cade Cunningham now and am in the "rooting for him except against us" boat. I just like his game and the way he carries himself.

[rajajackal]

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Time for CAA to take over his representation?

i think it's fair to say that when the person you pay to be your advocate can't **** with you no more it's over

[thebuzzardman]

Time for CAA to take over his representation?

i think it's fair to say that when the person you pay to be your advocate can't **** with you no more it's over

Leon Rose's son about to represent Ben Simmons.

[MrDollarBills]

[Henson] Clippers owner Steve Ballmer nearly granted naming rights to Aspiration, the now-bankrupt company that is alleged to have paid Kawhi Leonard millions to skirt the NBA’s salary cap but ended up choosing Intuit to grace the $2 billion venue, a source familiar with the matter said.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2025-09-05/aspiration-dome-clippers-ballmer-nearly-gave-naming-rights-to-fraudulent-company

Can the Knicks start offering stuff like palatial real estate and weed as perks? I mean surely the rules don't matter anymore