PHI/IND

[Scoot McGroot]

Memphis getting Pascal is still my favorite. Whether it includes Edey or Memphis wants to keep him as the third big (they should try at least).. Memphis has the assets to get Pascal without using Edey/Coward.

I like it too but im not sure they get HCA even with pascal.

Yeah, I think that’s up to Ja.. If he’s the superstar some thought/think.. Even without HCA, that team would be really tough to match up against.

But if you wait til January, assuming Indy is struggling to stay in play-in race.. You can match without using KCP, say Aldama, Clarke, Konchar. Even though I’m a big fan of Coward, would be nice to keep KCP around.

Would require some solid picks/youth, too? I can't see Indy swapping out Pascal for Aldama and salary?

I do agree it's best for Memphis to keep KCP, as he's not necessarily a positive in an Indy that already has Nembhard/Nesmith ahead of him in that role, and a young Ben Sheppard to continue to develop in that role?

[jayjaysee]

I like it too but im not sure they get HCA even with pascal.

Yeah, I think that’s up to Ja.. If he’s the superstar some thought/think.. Even without HCA, that team would be really tough to match up against.

But if you wait til January, assuming Indy is struggling to stay in play-in race.. You can match without using KCP, say Aldama, Clarke, Konchar. Even though I’m a big fan of Coward, would be nice to keep KCP around.

Would require some solid picks/youth, too? I can't see Indy swapping out Pascal for Aldama and salary?

I do agree it's best for Memphis to keep KCP, as he's not necessarily a positive in an Indy that already has Nembhard/Nesmith ahead of him in that role, and a young Ben Sheppard to continue to develop in that role?

Yeah, definitely. Think if I was actually posting it, I’d say Indy gets both 2026 firsts (likely Phoenix and Memphis) and Orlando’s 2030 first?

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, I think that’s up to Ja.. If he’s the superstar some thought/think.. Even without HCA, that team would be really tough to match up against.

But if you wait til January, assuming Indy is struggling to stay in play-in race.. You can match without using KCP, say Aldama, Clarke, Konchar. Even though I’m a big fan of Coward, would be nice to keep KCP around.

Would require some solid picks/youth, too? I can't see Indy swapping out Pascal for Aldama and salary?

I do agree it's best for Memphis to keep KCP, as he's not necessarily a positive in an Indy that already has Nembhard/Nesmith ahead of him in that role, and a young Ben Sheppard to continue to develop in that role?

Yeah, definitely. Think if I was actually posting it, I’d say Indy gets both 2026 firsts (likely Phoenix and Memphis) and Orlando’s 2030 first?

With Aldama, Clarke, Konchar coming back, and then 3 2026 1st round picks, Indy would have 17 guys for 15 roster spots in 2026, before dealing with Mathurin. I think any Siakam for volume returns are pretty tough for an Indy team that has really focused on building depth?

[jayjaysee]

Would require some solid picks/youth, too? I can't see Indy swapping out Pascal for Aldama and salary?

I do agree it's best for Memphis to keep KCP, as he's not necessarily a positive in an Indy that already has Nembhard/Nesmith ahead of him in that role, and a young Ben Sheppard to continue to develop in that role?

Yeah, definitely. Think if I was actually posting it, I’d say Indy gets both 2026 firsts (likely Phoenix and Memphis) and Orlando’s 2030 first?

With Aldama, Clarke, Konchar coming back, and then 3 2026 1st round picks, Indy would have 17 guys for 15 roster spots in 2026, before dealing with Mathurin. I think any Siakam for volume returns are pretty tough for an Indy team that has really focused on building depth?

Two of those 17 would need to be included in this trade since Indy is at 15 roster spots this season.

Who those two are, and if they call for additional value - I do not know.. I see guys like Wiseman, Bradley, Kam that shouldn’t really kill a deal that large. Even if Indy has to buy 1-2 guys out, they’re still saving a lot of money this season and next season.

Or if preferred, Indy and Memphis can find the 3rd team to take 1-2 of Konchar/Clarke as cheap as possible to start correcting the roster crunch.

Then for having more picks than roster spots.. Could tell Memphis you want the 2027 Mem first instead of 2026.. or trade up/out.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, definitely. Think if I was actually posting it, I’d say Indy gets both 2026 firsts (likely Phoenix and Memphis) and Orlando’s 2030 first?

With Aldama, Clarke, Konchar coming back, and then 3 2026 1st round picks, Indy would have 17 guys for 15 roster spots in 2026, before dealing with Mathurin. I think any Siakam for volume returns are pretty tough for an Indy team that has really focused on building depth?

Two of those 17 would need to be included in this trade since Indy is at 15 roster spots this season.

I assumed Wiseman/Bradley would be those guys, and they both expire, so they wouldn’t shorten the 17 from next year, as they’re already not on next years roster.

Who those two are, and if they call for additional value - I do not know.. I see guys like Wiseman, Bradley, Kam that shouldn’t really kill a deal that large. Even if Indy has to buy 1-2 guys out, they’re still saving a lot of money this season and next season.

Indy just traded up to get Kam in the early 2nd. I think they’d like to see him, especially as they got him to take a below minimum salary for the next couple years? Bradley/Wiseman, obviously can go, but again, don’t help the long term roster spots.

But, saving the money isn’t that important anymore? Especially not as they’re not saving much? Aldama, Clarke, Konchar are owed similar money this year and next?

Or if preferred, Indy and Memphis can find the 3rd team to take 1-2 of Konchar/Clarke as cheap as possible to start correcting the roster crunch.

Then for having more picks than roster spots.. Could tell Memphis you want the 2027 Mem first instead of 2026.. or trade up/out.

I just think there needs to be more of a primary need or reason for Indy to do this? Indy always seems to value a KEY PIECE if they’re trading a gift, while this one is more of a “maybe they should double down on depth and just look to shake things up”? Especially as Siakam isn’t an athletic focused player. His game seems like it’ll continue to age fairly?

I guess this all comes down to if you think Santi is a star in the making? Or just a solid starting option at PF?

[jayjaysee]

With Aldama, Clarke, Konchar coming back, and then 3 2026 1st round picks, Indy would have 17 guys for 15 roster spots in 2026, before dealing with Mathurin. I think any Siakam for volume returns are pretty tough for an Indy team that has really focused on building depth?

Two of those 17 would need to be included in this trade since Indy is at 15 roster spots this season.

I assumed Wiseman/Bradley would be those guys, and they both expire, so they wouldn’t shorten the 17 from next year, as they’re already not on next years roster.

Who those two are, and if they call for additional value - I do not know.. I see guys like Wiseman, Bradley, Kam that shouldn’t really kill a deal that large. Even if Indy has to buy 1-2 guys out, they’re still saving a lot of money this season and next season.

Indy just traded up to get Kam in the early 2nd. I think they’d like to see him, especially as they got him to take a below minimum salary for the next couple years? Bradley/Wiseman, obviously can go, but again, don’t help the long term roster spots.

But, saving the money isn’t that important anymore? Especially not as they’re not saving much? Aldama, Clarke, Konchar are owed similar money this year and next?

Or if preferred, Indy and Memphis can find the 3rd team to take 1-2 of Konchar/Clarke as cheap as possible to start correcting the roster crunch.

Then for having more picks than roster spots.. Could tell Memphis you want the 2027 Mem first instead of 2026.. or trade up/out.

I just think there needs to be more of a primary need or reason for Indy to do this? Indy always seems to value a KEY PIECE if they’re trading a gift, while this one is more of a “maybe they should double down on depth and just look to shake things up”? Especially as Siakam isn’t an athletic focused player. His game seems like it’ll continue to age fairly?

I guess this all comes down to if you think Santi is a star in the making? Or just a solid starting option at PF?

The salary difference feels pretty decent though to me.. this year would be about 15 million and next year about 14 million? And that’s if there’s no third team involved to trim some more fat.

But Santi isn’t the key piece here imo at least. The 2026 “Phoenix” pick is. The hope that Santi develops into a good starter is probably fourth in value behind the three first round picks?

If Indy wants to convert Memphis’ picks into an actual good player; the teams can work on that version? Or if Indy just wants to wait out the season and try again with Hali/Pascal in 2026-2027? That’s fair.

I just like Pascal in Memphis and think their offer would be the top offer.

[Wizop]

if Indy just wants to wait out the season and try again with Hali/Pascal in 2026-2027? That’s fair.

yes, BUT we haven't seen Huff in our system and we don't know how Jackson and Wiseman will look post injury, We may decide we need a better center for that 26/27 push, but we won't know that until closer to the deadline. we also don't know whether Mathurin will earn an increase to a figure that doesn't fit what we can afford given his likely role.

what we do know is that we aren't going to try to lose games this year by trading away our best player other than Ty.

[jayjaysee]

if Indy just wants to wait out the season and try again with Hali/Pascal in 2026-2027? That’s fair.

yes, BUT we haven't seen Huff in our system and we don't know how Jackson and Wiseman will look post injury, We may decide we need a better center for that 26/27 push, but we won't know that until closer to the deadline. we also don't know whether Mathurin will earn an increase to a figure that doesn't fit what we can afford given his likely role.

what we do know is that we aren't going to try to lose games this year by trading away our best player other than Ty.

Yeah, I’m derailing this thread and I don’t like doing that really.

But my post said January and Indy is struggling to stay in play in race.. Indy would have seen Huff and would have decided to go younger around Ty.

Or would package Memphis’ assets for a younger piece to pair with Ty. Or not anything.

[Little Lupe]

Indy does not take. If anyone gets Siakam then there are going to have to be fairly strong assets to get him. Honestly I think the pacers do all they can to compete this year or absolutely tank and rest Siakam. With Hali healthy in 2027 they have a one year maybe 1.5 year window until Siakam is toast.

[JRoy]

Indy does not take. If anyone gets Siakam then there are going to have to be fairly strong assets to get him. Honestly I think the pacers do all they can to compete this year or absolutely tank and rest Siakam. With Hali healthy in 2027 they have a one year maybe 1.5 year window until Siakam is toast.

Why would you say that? He was pretty solid for IND.

[Scoot McGroot]

Two of those 17 would need to be included in this trade since Indy is at 15 roster spots this season.

I assumed Wiseman/Bradley would be those guys, and they both expire, so they wouldn’t shorten the 17 from next year, as they’re already not on next years roster.

Who those two are, and if they call for additional value - I do not know.. I see guys like Wiseman, Bradley, Kam that shouldn’t really kill a deal that large. Even if Indy has to buy 1-2 guys out, they’re still saving a lot of money this season and next season.

Indy just traded up to get Kam in the early 2nd. I think they’d like to see him, especially as they got him to take a below minimum salary for the next couple years? Bradley/Wiseman, obviously can go, but again, don’t help the long term roster spots.

But, saving the money isn’t that important anymore? Especially not as they’re not saving much? Aldama, Clarke, Konchar are owed similar money this year and next?

Or if preferred, Indy and Memphis can find the 3rd team to take 1-2 of Konchar/Clarke as cheap as possible to start correcting the roster crunch.

Then for having more picks than roster spots.. Could tell Memphis you want the 2027 Mem first instead of 2026.. or trade up/out.

I just think there needs to be more of a primary need or reason for Indy to do this? Indy always seems to value a KEY PIECE if they’re trading a gift, while this one is more of a “maybe they should double down on depth and just look to shake things up”? Especially as Siakam isn’t an athletic focused player. His game seems like it’ll continue to age fairly?

I guess this all comes down to if you think Santi is a star in the making? Or just a solid starting option at PF?

The salary difference feels pretty decent though to me.. this year would be about 15 million and next year about 14 million? And that’s if there’s no third team involved to trim some more fat.

I’m seeing $8-9m this year? I guess this is the reputation my teams owner deserves though, as if they’d cut costs wi5 their star player at first chance.

But Santi isn’t the key piece here imo at least. The 2026 “Phoenix” pick is. The hope that Santi develops into a good starter is probably fourth in value behind the three first round picks?

I had hoped that wouldn’t be the case? As it requires Indy paying a bunch of the other assets to help keep the window open for the next couple seasons, and not needing to wait 3-4 seasons for that pick to be “competitive”.

If Indy wants to convert Memphis’ picks into an actual good player; the teams can work on that version? Or if Indy just wants to wait out the season and try again with Hali/Pascal in 2026-2027? That’s fair.

I just like Pascal in Memphis and think their offer would be the top offer.

This just lends itself to keeping Siakam? Like, convert the assets to a good player, maybe even a Pascal Siakam?

I just don’t think that Indy is going to see an injury, where Haliburton will get something like 15 months off to recover before returning to play, as a reason to reset the team for a 3-4 year type reload? It doesn’t lend itself to their past actions, nor what KP/Buchanan have talked and had leaked about them?

I could see Indy more in the market for a one to one type swap if they look to recalibrate. Not a “trade the star and hope to draft and develop a new roster to replace him”, or “trade the star for picks, and then look to trade the picks for another player to maybe replace the star down the line” type reload?

[basketballwacko2]

76ers get: Saikam
Pacers get: George/Clippers 2028 1st

Why 76ers - Siakam is the better player, with better timeline with Embiid and Maxey

Why Pacers - Get what could be a very good pick and If they are smart, they use this season as a punt season, but George back where he can retire as a Pacer

No! George on that contract is 2 #1 picks negative. Siakam is worth 2-3 #1 and matching salary not a bad contract like George!!

This is a terrible offer.

and PG is more negative in Indy than in many other places given he burned bridges here.

I'm sticking with Siakam isn't going anywhere and if we're selling high it will be Mathurin as he may price himself out of the role that's available here.

I think the issue with Mathurin is his lack of size to be a SF. He might be great at SG but the Pacers are stacked at guard.

[HornetJail]

this is like one VJ Edgecombe away from being a viable trade

[basketballwacko2]

I'd want 2 unprotected #1's at least if I was taking him into space or sending back some useless contract.

[Village Idiot]

I'd want 2 unprotected #1's at least if I was taking him into space or sending back some useless contract.

I would totally take on PG13 and the Clippers 1st for Grant and one of Thybulle or Timelord both of who have ending contracts.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd want 2 unprotected #1's at least if I was taking him into space or sending back some useless contract.

I would totally take on PG13 and the Clippers 1st for Grant and one of Thybulle or Timelord both of who have ending contracts.

Well you're sending back a bad contract that is not quite as negative as PG.