2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[SerialChiller]

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Imagine if he had more than 1 knee.

We need him here coaching Herro like this now!

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Imagine if he had more than 1 knee.

We need him here coaching Herro like this now!

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Knowledge can never hurt! Maybe he can transfer his 7 foot wingspan too Wade was a freak athlete who flies under the radar in that area. 6’4 guard with the most dunks and blocked shots from a guard in NBA history I believe

[SerialChiller]

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Imagine if he had more than 1 knee.

We need him here coaching Herro like this now!

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Knowledge can never hurt! Maybe he can transfer his 7 foot wingspan too Wade was a freak athlete who flies under the radar in that area. 6’4 guard with the most dunks and blocked shots from a guard in NBA history I believe

Indeed....some of the fools on the general board where actually trying to say that Wade would struggle in this modern NBA without a 3 point shot lmao! As if he wouldn't go crazy with all the spacing there is today.

[Shewasfly]

Tyler is physically limited defensively. He's not going to come into the year and have a better wingspan to contest shots. So I can see saying he is mostly tapped out and has reached his ceiling there. What he has to do to get better on defense is simply get stronger and not as easily able to be pushed around and also smarter as it concerns positional defense.

I do think Tyler has a lot more room to grow offensively though. He can continue to improve his bbiq and his reads and passing. He also can continue to improve his handle, getting to the line, and finishing inside. These are all things that he's incrementally improved on year by year but especially last year when he was thrust into a bigger role.

I don't see how Tyler can be written off as having reached his ceiling if we can agree that Bam hasn't. Are we forgetting that Bam has had 2 more seasons than Tyler in this league? And Bam has physical limitations too. He is simply not big enough to play the position that best matches his skillset without causing deficits elsewhere (small ball). He's not going to come into camp having gotten any taller, so his ceiling defensively is tapped. But this is fine (as long as we put him at PF where he belongs) because he is already great defensively.

Offensively I can't say I trust that he'll improve in skillset or mindset, but he certainly has room to grow there. And I honestly do think he's learning from and studying A'ja. He can never be as dominant as her against HIS PEERS (before the He-Man Woman haters and incels come for me again) but there's nothing preventing him from picking up on some of those moves to be a more of a threat to defenses and help our offense be more dynamic.

We're really going to need that growth on offense from Bam more than anyone. Because as of right now, despite the addition of Powell, we still have no inside scoring threat. That is a front court issue.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

Anyone wonder if the Big 3 actually took small paycuts for Haslem?

I believe they did because at the end of the day, what they cut was so minimal just to fit him and Mike Miller into cap space. I definitely think they got the best deal available in the city when it came to luxury cars and real estate. Riley has a lot of pull in that market in Miami.

They absolutely did and this has been publicly stated and was reported at the time of Haslem re-signing.

A week ago, Haslem expected he would sign elsewhere, but then the combination of a $58 million salary cap ($2 million more than expected) and the decisions by Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh to take less money made it possible for the Miami High grad to stay where he wanted.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=5374210

“But the fact that Bron, CB, and D-Wade all collabed to take less money to make that $20 [million] available for me, it said enough, because they didn’t have to do that,” Haslem explained.

“Dwyane understood. Bron and CB don’t know me from a can of paint. They ain’t ever played with me, they don’t know nothing about me,” he continued. “But the fact that they was able to say, ‘Okay, cool. We need him. We need him to win.’ That let me know I got to get them boys they money worth.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/udonis-haslem-says-lebron-james-185406736.html?

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Should have been more specific. Did the Big 3 get outside deals to make up (a-la circumventing the salary cap) for the money they gave up to fit Haslem into the cap?

[SA37]

Spoiler:

I believe they did because at the end of the day, what they cut was so minimal just to fit him and Mike Miller into cap space. I definitely think they got the best deal available in the city when it came to luxury cars and real estate. Riley has a lot of pull in that market in Miami.

They absolutely did and this has been publicly stated and was reported at the time of Haslem re-signing.

A week ago, Haslem expected he would sign elsewhere, but then the combination of a $58 million salary cap ($2 million more than expected) and the decisions by Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh to take less money made it possible for the Miami High grad to stay where he wanted.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=5374210

“But the fact that Bron, CB, and D-Wade all collabed to take less money to make that $20 [million] available for me, it said enough, because they didn’t have to do that,” Haslem explained.

“Dwyane understood. Bron and CB don’t know me from a can of paint. They ain’t ever played with me, they don’t know nothing about me,” he continued. “But the fact that they was able to say, ‘Okay, cool. We need him. We need him to win.’ That let me know I got to get them boys they money worth.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/udonis-haslem-says-lebron-james-185406736.html?

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Should have been more specific. Did the Big 3 get outside deals to make up (a-la circumventing the salary cap) for the money they gave up to fit Haslem into the cap?

Ah, that I don't know.

I do know that Nike and other companies have offered FA more lucrative contracts if they go to certain markets. The biggest issue in the Clippers-Kawhi case is that Balmer was (one of??) the biggest financial backers of the firm. It would be like if Carnival Cruise lines gave LeBron/Bosh/Wade $28M.

[BadMofoPimp]

Players always seem to get rich going to the Lakers via endorsements. Made Lebron a Billionaire.

[BadMofoPimp]

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Imagine if he had more than 1 knee.

We need him here coaching Herro like this now!

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Wade needs to work with Herro like this!

[Tim_Hardawayy]

People comparing herro to steph sounds exactly like people who once tried to compare poole to steph.

Outside of being able to shoot and score, they aren't remotely alike.

Herro is a lot closer to Steph than Poole is to Herro. But I don't imagine a Wiggins fan who only started following the Heat midway through the year and has reason to root against Herro (since other wings affect Wiggins' shot diet) is going to be charitable on that comparison. What is bizarre to me is how someone can actually be a Wiggins fan, like have that be their defining fandom, but I guess its the Canadian connection.

As for 3ammy, look I think everyone is a little bored of the "haha I'm just joking its just jokes man its just jokes!" stuff with Tyler but the second anyone says anything slightly critical of Bam, it turns super serial. And then just drip everything in sarcasm and hyperbole so you don't have to have honest discussion with anyone.

Look its not hard to see where the Tyler hate comes from (not talking about our resident Wiggins fan, that's another issue altogether). He's probably near his ceiling in potential, fans do not like to root for guys who are tapped out and aren't going to get much better, they prefer to imagine what players COULD be. I've seen it time and time again over the years, first big one I remember is Eddie House, hoo boy. Then there was the Dorell guys who were sure he was going to be the next Scottie Pippen if Riles would just let him off the leash. The big one was obviously Beas, and what I'll never forget is posters actually hating on UD, yes that UD, because they blamed him for Beas not getting more minutes. Nevermind that UD was probably doing everything right, he was tapped on potential, while people saw the world in Beasley, so he was in his way.

And to be honest, I think there's some of that going on with 3ammy and Bam/Tyler, even though Tyler's younger funny enough. But he takes shots from Bam, and he's probably not going to become much better than he is currently, meanwhile I know I've seen people including you claim Bam can be a KG if he puts it altogether. Even I can admit I can see the potential there.

But where I disagree is the idea of hating on players who are closer to their potential as preventing the potential guys from blossoming, I just don't think its a productive way to look at basketball. The great ones are going to get it regardless. Wade didn't need Eddie Jones and Caron Butler (or Shaq for that matter) to get out of his way to make his mark, he just did it.

And Tyler isn't stopping Bam (or Wiggins LMAO) from being the best version of themselves. Not to mention I personally think Bam has really good chemistry with Tyler, probably better than any other wing on the roster, and I'd bet his numbers go up when they share the floor together.

Herro absolutely is not closer to Steph and Poole is to Herro, what version of Steph are we talking about?

I’m not being sarcastic about Herro though lol you’ve got me misunderstood. “He’s not a Heat guy”, he doesn’t play a lick of defense and is a very easy target for teams in the playoffs and he’s a ball dominant player who doesn’t contribute in the playoffs who wants a $50M a year extension. I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here, he has done nothing relevant in a Heat jersey in terms of Heat success.

I do not knock Tyler to uplift Bam, that just doesn’t make sense to me. His numbers go up without Herro but yes they do have good chemistry when Tyler is open to making the right play.

The potential thing has no part in it for me with either player.

I used to have honest discussions and try to debate topics back with facts, plays, stats, and CONTEXT (all caps because everyone loves context when it fits their argument, some of the same people hyping Herro up are talking about context while completely ignoring it with every other player). But that was always met with lazy answers and troll remarks so I gave that kind of discussion up for the most part and decided to fit in with the majority.

I'll be point blank the only person with lazy answers and troll remarks on this board is you. You're bringing your twitter beefs or wherever the hell you're coming up with them here, and then acting like that's the consensus.

I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here

What the **** are you even talking about? Quote the posts, or stop with the strawman. Unless you think people talking about him as a homeless man's Curry that could possibly get us above the 45 win mark is "overwhelming praise"? Show me anyone that's advocating to hand him 50+ mil a year, or thinks he's a top 30 player in the league even. Quote it, its your claim, you say he gets overwhelming praise on here, so show me, it should be easy to prove. Also the point is Poole is a truly terrible net negative player, that's why that comparison is so awful, Herro was actually a very net positive player last season, it is what it is as much as some people don't want to accept that, the team was better when he played.

The reality is its a few posters that absolutely hate the guy that derails all conversation. I have openly stated he's a midlevel all-star and that's probably all he'll ever be and there's many builds he wouldn't even fit on if the right pieces became available, but he's actually on a good contract at the moment and earning his money (which is rare for NBA players making more than 30 mil a year), and it would behoove us to at least consider what sort of asset he is for us, instead of treating him like the second coming of Antoine Walker.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Tyler is physically limited defensively. He's not going to come into the year and have a better wingspan to contest shots. So I can see saying he is mostly tapped out and has reached his ceiling there. What he has to do to get better on defense is simply get stronger and not as easily able to be pushed around and also smarter as it concerns positional defense.

I do think Tyler has a lot more room to grow offensively though. He can continue to improve his bbiq and his reads and passing. He also can continue to improve his handle, getting to the line, and finishing inside. These are all things that he's incrementally improved on year by year but especially last year when he was thrust into a bigger role.

I don't see how Tyler can be written off as having reached his ceiling if we can agree that Bam hasn't. Are we forgetting that Bam has had 2 more seasons than Tyler in this league? And Bam has physical limitations too. He is simply not big enough to play the position that best matches his skillset without causing deficits elsewhere (small ball). He's not going to come into camp having gotten any taller, so his ceiling defensively is tapped. But this is fine (as long as we put him at PF where he belongs) because he is already great defensively.

Offensively I can't say I trust that he'll improve in skillset or mindset, but he certainly has room to grow there. And I honestly do think he's learning from and studying A'ja. He can never be as dominant as her against HIS PEERS (before the He-Man Woman haters and incels come for me again) but there's nothing preventing him from picking up on some of those moves to be a more of a threat to defenses and help our offense be more dynamic.

We're really going to need that growth on offense from Bam more than anyone. Because as of right now, despite the addition of Powell, we still have no inside scoring threat. That is a front court issue.

Not that I disagree with you, but I was mostly referring to athletic potential. People see a guy with the tools of a Michael Jordan and they start envisioning Michael Jordan, its just how NBA fans have been trained to operate even though it almost never pans out.

Skill growth isn't sexy, and it also does put a ceiling on what you can become in most cases, because the most skilled smaller shorter less physical guy will always be beat by a guy with the same skills but in a better package. I guess its a question of, is Tyler's physical package enough that he can make up the deficit in skill. I think to some extent, but its always gonna be a question. Whereas with a Bam, athletically he's already in the 0.1 percentile so its easier to project what his ceiling theoretically could be because you max his skill slider and he's as good as it gets (if it were only that easy).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro is a lot closer to Steph than Poole is to Herro. But I don't imagine a Wiggins fan who only started following the Heat midway through the year and has reason to root against Herro (since other wings affect Wiggins' shot diet) is going to be charitable on that comparison. What is bizarre to me is how someone can actually be a Wiggins fan, like have that be their defining fandom, but I guess its the Canadian connection.

As for 3ammy, look I think everyone is a little bored of the "haha I'm just joking its just jokes man its just jokes!" stuff with Tyler but the second anyone says anything slightly critical of Bam, it turns super serial. And then just drip everything in sarcasm and hyperbole so you don't have to have honest discussion with anyone.

Look its not hard to see where the Tyler hate comes from (not talking about our resident Wiggins fan, that's another issue altogether). He's probably near his ceiling in potential, fans do not like to root for guys who are tapped out and aren't going to get much better, they prefer to imagine what players COULD be. I've seen it time and time again over the years, first big one I remember is Eddie House, hoo boy. Then there was the Dorell guys who were sure he was going to be the next Scottie Pippen if Riles would just let him off the leash. The big one was obviously Beas, and what I'll never forget is posters actually hating on UD, yes that UD, because they blamed him for Beas not getting more minutes. Nevermind that UD was probably doing everything right, he was tapped on potential, while people saw the world in Beasley, so he was in his way.

And to be honest, I think there's some of that going on with 3ammy and Bam/Tyler, even though Tyler's younger funny enough. But he takes shots from Bam, and he's probably not going to become much better than he is currently, meanwhile I know I've seen people including you claim Bam can be a KG if he puts it altogether. Even I can admit I can see the potential there.

But where I disagree is the idea of hating on players who are closer to their potential as preventing the potential guys from blossoming, I just don't think its a productive way to look at basketball. The great ones are going to get it regardless. Wade didn't need Eddie Jones and Caron Butler (or Shaq for that matter) to get out of his way to make his mark, he just did it.

And Tyler isn't stopping Bam (or Wiggins LMAO) from being the best version of themselves. Not to mention I personally think Bam has really good chemistry with Tyler, probably better than any other wing on the roster, and I'd bet his numbers go up when they share the floor together.

Herro absolutely is not closer to Steph and Poole is to Herro, what version of Steph are we talking about?

I’m not being sarcastic about Herro though lol you’ve got me misunderstood. “He’s not a Heat guy”, he doesn’t play a lick of defense and is a very easy target for teams in the playoffs and he’s a ball dominant player who doesn’t contribute in the playoffs who wants a $50M a year extension. I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here, he has done nothing relevant in a Heat jersey in terms of Heat success.

I do not knock Tyler to uplift Bam, that just doesn’t make sense to me. His numbers go up without Herro but yes they do have good chemistry when Tyler is open to making the right play.

The potential thing has no part in it for me with either player.

I used to have honest discussions and try to debate topics back with facts, plays, stats, and CONTEXT (all caps because everyone loves context when it fits their argument, some of the same people hyping Herro up are talking about context while completely ignoring it with every other player). But that was always met with lazy answers and troll remarks so I gave that kind of discussion up for the most part and decided to fit in with the majority.

I'll be point blank the only person with lazy answers and troll remarks on this board is you. You're bringing your twitter beefs or wherever the hell you're coming up with them here, and then acting like that's the consensus.

I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here

What the **** are you even talking about? Quote the posts, or stop with the strawman. Unless you think people talking about him as a homeless man's Curry that could possibly get us above the 45 win mark is "overwhelming praise"? Show me anyone that's advocating to hand him 50+ mil a year, or thinks he's a top 30 player in the league even. Quote it, its your claim, you say he gets overwhelming praise on here, so show me, it should be easy to prove. Also the point is Poole is a truly terrible net negative player, that's why that comparison is so awful, Herro was actually a very net positive player last season, it is what it is as much as some people don't want to accept that, the team was better when he played.

The reality is its a few posters that absolutely hate the guy that derails all conversation. I have openly stated he's a midlevel all-star and that's probably all he'll ever be and there's many builds he wouldn't even fit on if the right pieces became available, but he's actually on a good contract at the moment and earning his money (which is rare for NBA players making more than 30 mil a year), and it would behoove us to at least consider what sort of asset he is for us, instead of treating him like the second coming of Antoine Walker.

The bolded is fuxking hilarious

What the fuxk are you talking about? The second someone mentions Herro in a negative light half the **** forum comes out with the pitchforks. I’m not going to name names because we have sensitive posters who report posts but literally just scroll through this thread there’s like 5-6 posters in mind right now that just pretend the dude backpacks the team when in reality he’s never been a part of our success. Your opinion on him isn’t the consensus no matter how much you want to try and pretend it is.

It was a garbage comparison, at least Poole showed up in the playoffs to help his team win a championship. You all just can’t refrain from the Curry comparisons lol. Let him at least show up in the postseason and play some sort of defense because you start that nonsense.

You have posters in the last few pages that just dismiss the notion that Herro might just not be that good of a player when it matters most (the playoffs) or just in general to the point they’re saying posters lack common sense or the reason we got blown out the last 2 games was because we took the ball out of Tyler’s hands and he’s the 40 point difference between a blowout or not when in reality he’s got bottled up by Sam Merrill who face guarded him and Tyler himself even spoke on it lol. To take it even further if neither of those fit the criteria for you if you think he’s not an elite player it’s because you’re saying that to prop up another player that you “Stan” for because there’s no way you could not be head over heels for a guy who doesn’t play defense and who’s offense doesn’t translate to the playoffs. Then you have people posting charts they don’t even understand to try and pretend Tyler is one of the elite playmakers in the league when the overall playmaking on this team is garbage and the lack of a true handler/playmaker is glaring in damn near every game we play. You have people defending his defense saying he does defend because he’s got some blocked shots here and there, no he doesn’t lol. We literally have players saying to the media that the gameplan is just to attack Tyler all game, they don’t even care to bring it up because they know there’s nothing Tyler can do about it. Just delusion all over the damn place.

He had a good season that finally warranted the usage and shot attempts he’s been getting the last 4 years but who gives a fuxk if he just going to be a target all game and his offense doesn’t translate? You all pretend when we critique him that we’re saying he’s some bottom barrel player in this league. I recognize he’s a good scorer, he’s a solid playmaker and rebounder as well for a guard. It never translates and he doesn’t play defense, you can’t win with players like that and nothing he has done has warranted the delusion from the fans or the front office.

[unowen85]

Offensively I can't say I trust that he'll improve in skillset or mindset, but he certainly has room to grow there. And I honestly do think he's learning from and studying A'ja. He can never be as dominant as her against HIS PEERS (before the He-Man Woman haters and incels come for me again) but there's nothing preventing him from picking up on some of those moves to be a more of a threat to defenses and help our offense be more dynamic.

We're really going to need that growth on offense from Bam more than anyone. Because as of right now, despite the addition of Powell, we still have no inside scoring threat. That is a front court issue.

Apparently Bam has become besties with Michael Beasley and they have been working out together during offseason. Maybe Beasley can fix his offense.

[Hallstar]

Herro absolutely is not closer to Steph and Poole is to Herro, what version of Steph are we talking about?

I’m not being sarcastic about Herro though lol you’ve got me misunderstood. “He’s not a Heat guy”, he doesn’t play a lick of defense and is a very easy target for teams in the playoffs and he’s a ball dominant player who doesn’t contribute in the playoffs who wants a $50M a year extension. I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here, he has done nothing relevant in a Heat jersey in terms of Heat success.

I do not knock Tyler to uplift Bam, that just doesn’t make sense to me. His numbers go up without Herro but yes they do have good chemistry when Tyler is open to making the right play.

The potential thing has no part in it for me with either player.

I used to have honest discussions and try to debate topics back with facts, plays, stats, and CONTEXT (all caps because everyone loves context when it fits their argument, some of the same people hyping Herro up are talking about context while completely ignoring it with every other player). But that was always met with lazy answers and troll remarks so I gave that kind of discussion up for the most part and decided to fit in with the majority.

I'll be point blank the only person with lazy answers and troll remarks on this board is you. You're bringing your twitter beefs or wherever the hell you're coming up with them here, and then acting like that's the consensus.

I seriously don’t know what this dude has done to warrant the overwhelming praise he gets on here

What the **** are you even talking about? Quote the posts, or stop with the strawman. Unless you think people talking about him as a homeless man's Curry that could possibly get us above the 45 win mark is "overwhelming praise"? Show me anyone that's advocating to hand him 50+ mil a year, or thinks he's a top 30 player in the league even. Quote it, its your claim, you say he gets overwhelming praise on here, so show me, it should be easy to prove. Also the point is Poole is a truly terrible net negative player, that's why that comparison is so awful, Herro was actually a very net positive player last season, it is what it is as much as some people don't want to accept that, the team was better when he played.

The reality is its a few posters that absolutely hate the guy that derails all conversation. I have openly stated he's a midlevel all-star and that's probably all he'll ever be and there's many builds he wouldn't even fit on if the right pieces became available, but he's actually on a good contract at the moment and earning his money (which is rare for NBA players making more than 30 mil a year), and it would behoove us to at least consider what sort of asset he is for us, instead of treating him like the second coming of Antoine Walker.

The bolded is fuxking hilarious

What the fuxk are you talking about? The second someone mentions Herro in a negative light half the **** forum comes out with the pitchforks. I’m not going to name names because we have sensitive posters who report posts but literally just scroll through this thread there’s like 5-6 posters in mind right now that just pretend the dude backpacks the team when in reality he’s never been a part of our success. Your opinion on him isn’t the consensus no matter how much you want to try and pretend it is.

It was a garbage comparison, at least Poole showed up in the playoffs to help his team win a championship. You all just can’t refrain from the Curry comparisons lol. Let him at least show up in the postseason and play some sort of defense because you start that nonsense.

You have posters in the last few pages that just dismiss the notion that Herro might just not be that good of a player when it matters most (the playoffs) or just in general to the point they’re saying posters lack common sense or the reason we got blown out the last 2 games was because we took the ball out of Tyler’s hands and he’s the 40 point difference between a blowout or not when in reality he’s got bottled up by Sam Merrill who face guarded him and Tyler himself even spoke on it lol. To take it even further if neither of those fit the criteria for you if you think he’s not an elite player it’s because you’re saying that to prop up another player that you “Stan” for because there’s no way you could not be head over heels for a guy who doesn’t play defense and who’s offense doesn’t translate to the playoffs. Then you have people posting charts they don’t even understand to try and pretend Tyler is one of the elite playmakers in the league when the overall playmaking on this team is garbage and the lack of a true handler/playmaker is glaring in damn near every game we play. You have people defending his defense saying he does defend because he’s got some blocked shots here and there, no he doesn’t lol. We literally have players saying to the media that the gameplan is just to attack Tyler all game, they don’t even care to bring it up because they know there’s nothing Tyler can do about it. Just delusion all over the damn place.

He had a good season that finally warranted the usage and shot attempts he’s been getting the last 4 years but who gives a fuxk if he just going to be a target all game and his offense doesn’t translate? You all pretend when we critique him that we’re saying he’s some bottom barrel player in this league. I recognize he’s a good scorer, he’s a solid playmaker and rebounder as well for a guard. It never translates and he doesn’t play defense, you can’t win with players like that and nothing he has done has warranted the delusion from the fans or the front office.

Bro, you randomly start on this Herro stuff once the board goes quiet at least once a week. I don't know if you're paid for board engagement but it is what it is. I don't know what other arguments you're expecting between the end of the season and maybe 2 weeks after that.

We could also discuss what's the REAL value of Bam?...why is NOTHING expected of him? Herro isn't the only borderline all-star on the team but ironically you're the one treating him like it. Mobley ate Bams damn food in the playoffs on top of winning the elusive DPOY award that always "escapes" him and it wasn't even discussed in passing, almost as if it was expected. Can we survive if Bam is only a borderline top 5 big in the East?

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He's fighting with Porzingis, Allen and Myles Turner. Talk about that for the next two days.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'll be point blank the only person with lazy answers and troll remarks on this board is you. You're bringing your twitter beefs or wherever the hell you're coming up with them here, and then acting like that's the consensus.



What the **** are you even talking about? Quote the posts, or stop with the strawman. Unless you think people talking about him as a homeless man's Curry that could possibly get us above the 45 win mark is "overwhelming praise"? Show me anyone that's advocating to hand him 50+ mil a year, or thinks he's a top 30 player in the league even. Quote it, its your claim, you say he gets overwhelming praise on here, so show me, it should be easy to prove. Also the point is Poole is a truly terrible net negative player, that's why that comparison is so awful, Herro was actually a very net positive player last season, it is what it is as much as some people don't want to accept that, the team was better when he played.

The reality is its a few posters that absolutely hate the guy that derails all conversation. I have openly stated he's a midlevel all-star and that's probably all he'll ever be and there's many builds he wouldn't even fit on if the right pieces became available, but he's actually on a good contract at the moment and earning his money (which is rare for NBA players making more than 30 mil a year), and it would behoove us to at least consider what sort of asset he is for us, instead of treating him like the second coming of Antoine Walker.

The bolded is fuxking hilarious

What the fuxk are you talking about? The second someone mentions Herro in a negative light half the **** forum comes out with the pitchforks. I’m not going to name names because we have sensitive posters who report posts but literally just scroll through this thread there’s like 5-6 posters in mind right now that just pretend the dude backpacks the team when in reality he’s never been a part of our success. Your opinion on him isn’t the consensus no matter how much you want to try and pretend it is.

It was a garbage comparison, at least Poole showed up in the playoffs to help his team win a championship. You all just can’t refrain from the Curry comparisons lol. Let him at least show up in the postseason and play some sort of defense because you start that nonsense.

You have posters in the last few pages that just dismiss the notion that Herro might just not be that good of a player when it matters most (the playoffs) or just in general to the point they’re saying posters lack common sense or the reason we got blown out the last 2 games was because we took the ball out of Tyler’s hands and he’s the 40 point difference between a blowout or not when in reality he’s got bottled up by Sam Merrill who face guarded him and Tyler himself even spoke on it lol. To take it even further if neither of those fit the criteria for you if you think he’s not an elite player it’s because you’re saying that to prop up another player that you “Stan” for because there’s no way you could not be head over heels for a guy who doesn’t play defense and who’s offense doesn’t translate to the playoffs. Then you have people posting charts they don’t even understand to try and pretend Tyler is one of the elite playmakers in the league when the overall playmaking on this team is garbage and the lack of a true handler/playmaker is glaring in damn near every game we play. You have people defending his defense saying he does defend because he’s got some blocked shots here and there, no he doesn’t lol. We literally have players saying to the media that the gameplan is just to attack Tyler all game, they don’t even care to bring it up because they know there’s nothing Tyler can do about it. Just delusion all over the damn place.

He had a good season that finally warranted the usage and shot attempts he’s been getting the last 4 years but who gives a fuxk if he just going to be a target all game and his offense doesn’t translate? You all pretend when we critique him that we’re saying he’s some bottom barrel player in this league. I recognize he’s a good scorer, he’s a solid playmaker and rebounder as well for a guard. It never translates and he doesn’t play defense, you can’t win with players like that and nothing he has done has warranted the delusion from the fans or the front office.

Bro, you randomly start on this Herro stuff once the board goes quiet at least once a week. I don't know if you're paid for board engagement but it is what it is. I don't know what other arguments you're expecting between the end of the season and maybe 2 weeks after that.

We could also discuss what's the REAL value of Bam?...why is NOTHING expected of him? Herro isn't the only borderline all-star on the team but ironically you're the one treating him like it. Mobley ate Bams damn food in the playoffs on top of winning the elusive DPOY award that always "escapes" him and it wasn't even discussed in passing, almost as if it was expected. Can we survive if Bam is only a borderline top 5 big in the East?

Pascal
Mobley
Kat
Giannis
Banchero
Randle


He's fighting with Porzingis, Allen and Myles Turner. Talk about that for the next two days.

Hilarious post from Tyler’s biggest stan. You realize he plays 0 defense and his game doesn’t translate to the playoffs so you make up nonsense to try and get a rise. Be better.

Herro Stan’s favorite word this week was “context” I wont bring that into discussion to shut down the nonsense you just posted lol. Absolutely dominant 16-6-1 from Mobley against the Heat getting spoon fed open baskets after Tyler blow bys forcing help

[3ammy3uck3ts]

“Well, I think you can just look at at last season... If Minnesota has herro you win the title ...same wth New York”

“I I want to clarify my views from before... I almost sure that if new york has herro As a third wheel besides Brunson and Towns... They Become champs last season... I even think they have the beginnings of a small dynasty.”

“xplaining color to blind men is not something I plan on doing anymore this offseason. If they can't understand what they watched last season so be it, but we would have been in the 20s without Herro.”

“Just leaving this post as a placeholder so I can look like nostradamus in 2 years, or be totally forgotten, but Tyler Herro (I do legitimately think he has Curry-esque potential as a shooter and with the right narrative who knows).”

“And even with Durant, Herro would still be the team’s primary offensive initiator.”

“Herro is a more effective offensive engine than Durant”

“Tyler was supposed to be just another low IQ chucker and he basically got near Mitchell's level this year.”

“Comparing him to Lavine feels disrespectful if you watch both guys play”

Pipe down Timmy.

[Vertical Limit]

Just feel the need to throw this out there…

Evan Mobley is the reigning DPOY, 2 time all defensive team, all nba second team.

I never mention all star because all star is meaningless in this era.

Whereas Ty Jerome is a bonafide scrub, currently on his fifth team in six years (7 if you count the g league teams in between)

[Hallstar]

The bolded is fuxking hilarious

What the fuxk are you talking about? The second someone mentions Herro in a negative light half the **** forum comes out with the pitchforks. I’m not going to name names because we have sensitive posters who report posts but literally just scroll through this thread there’s like 5-6 posters in mind right now that just pretend the dude backpacks the team when in reality he’s never been a part of our success. Your opinion on him isn’t the consensus no matter how much you want to try and pretend it is.

It was a garbage comparison, at least Poole showed up in the playoffs to help his team win a championship. You all just can’t refrain from the Curry comparisons lol. Let him at least show up in the postseason and play some sort of defense because you start that nonsense.

You have posters in the last few pages that just dismiss the notion that Herro might just not be that good of a player when it matters most (the playoffs) or just in general to the point they’re saying posters lack common sense or the reason we got blown out the last 2 games was because we took the ball out of Tyler’s hands and he’s the 40 point difference between a blowout or not when in reality he’s got bottled up by Sam Merrill who face guarded him and Tyler himself even spoke on it lol. To take it even further if neither of those fit the criteria for you if you think he’s not an elite player it’s because you’re saying that to prop up another player that you “Stan” for because there’s no way you could not be head over heels for a guy who doesn’t play defense and who’s offense doesn’t translate to the playoffs. Then you have people posting charts they don’t even understand to try and pretend Tyler is one of the elite playmakers in the league when the overall playmaking on this team is garbage and the lack of a true handler/playmaker is glaring in damn near every game we play. You have people defending his defense saying he does defend because he’s got some blocked shots here and there, no he doesn’t lol. We literally have players saying to the media that the gameplan is just to attack Tyler all game, they don’t even care to bring it up because they know there’s nothing Tyler can do about it. Just delusion all over the damn place.

He had a good season that finally warranted the usage and shot attempts he’s been getting the last 4 years but who gives a fuxk if he just going to be a target all game and his offense doesn’t translate? You all pretend when we critique him that we’re saying he’s some bottom barrel player in this league. I recognize he’s a good scorer, he’s a solid playmaker and rebounder as well for a guard. It never translates and he doesn’t play defense, you can’t win with players like that and nothing he has done has warranted the delusion from the fans or the front office.

Bro, you randomly start on this Herro stuff once the board goes quiet at least once a week. I don't know if you're paid for board engagement but it is what it is. I don't know what other arguments you're expecting between the end of the season and maybe 2 weeks after that.

We could also discuss what's the REAL value of Bam?...why is NOTHING expected of him? Herro isn't the only borderline all-star on the team but ironically you're the one treating him like it. Mobley ate Bams damn food in the playoffs on top of winning the elusive DPOY award that always "escapes" him and it wasn't even discussed in passing, almost as if it was expected. Can we survive if Bam is only a borderline top 5 big in the East?

Pascal
Mobley
Kat
Giannis
Banchero
Randle


He's fighting with Porzingis, Allen and Myles Turner. Talk about that for the next two days.

Hilarious post from Tyler’s biggest stan. You realize he plays 0 defense and his game doesn’t translate to the playoffs so you make up nonsense to try and get a rise. Be better.

Herro Stan’s favorite word this week was “context” I wont bring that into discussion to shut down the nonsense you just posted lol. Absolutely dominant 16-6-1 from Mobley against the Heat getting spoon fed open baskets after Tyler blow bys forcing help

So Bam is Tyler's fault? See what I mean...It must be nice living in your world. What nonsense? Did Mobley not destroy Bam when they were matched up? Man shot over 60% in 3 of 4 games. Bam wasn't 50% in one....and no one gave a crap...it's apparently what's expected of Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bro, you randomly start on this Herro stuff once the board goes quiet at least once a week. I don't know if you're paid for board engagement but it is what it is. I don't know what other arguments you're expecting between the end of the season and maybe 2 weeks after that.

We could also discuss what's the REAL value of Bam?...why is NOTHING expected of him? Herro isn't the only borderline all-star on the team but ironically you're the one treating him like it. Mobley ate Bams damn food in the playoffs on top of winning the elusive DPOY award that always "escapes" him and it wasn't even discussed in passing, almost as if it was expected. Can we survive if Bam is only a borderline top 5 big in the East?

Pascal
Mobley
Kat
Giannis
Banchero
Randle


He's fighting with Porzingis, Allen and Myles Turner. Talk about that for the next two days.

Hilarious post from Tyler’s biggest stan. You realize he plays 0 defense and his game doesn’t translate to the playoffs so you make up nonsense to try and get a rise. Be better.

Herro Stan’s favorite word this week was “context” I wont bring that into discussion to shut down the nonsense you just posted lol. Absolutely dominant 16-6-1 from Mobley against the Heat getting spoon fed open baskets after Tyler blow bys forcing help

So Bam is Tyler's fault? See what I mean...It must be nice living in your world. What nonsense? Did Mobley not destroy Bam when they were matched up? Man shot over 60% in 3 of 4 games. Bam wasn't 50% in one.

Yea just like it’s Bam and everyone else’s fault Tyler got locked up and cooked by 3 nba journeymen in Merrill, Strus, and Ty Jerome like you tried to say the other day

They were scoring on him and flexing/yelling in his face and telling the media their gameplan was to attack him, not a good look at all for your boy. You’re comparing Bam to guys who haven’t accomplished near as much as him, in fact he has more big playoff moments than the entire Cavs roster combined outside of Mitchell. This is not the flex you think it is, and if Herros matchup put up Mobleys numbers while Herro put up Bams you’d be screaming about how Tyler won his matchup he just didn’t have any help.

Yea he should be shooting over 60% when he’s getting spoon fed wide open looks and dunks, that’s what playing next to true elite guard play will get you. I’ve already educated you on his assist rate and all this stuff, I’m not going to continue to teach you over and over again. Context with Herro though right?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just feel the need to throw this out there…

Evan Mobley is the reigning DPOY, 2 time all defensive team, all nba second team.

I never mention all star because all star is meaningless in this era.

Whereas Ty Jerome is a bonafide scrub, currently on his fifth team in six years (7 if you count the g league teams in between)

We don’t need to provide the CONTEXT that Bam was going up against 2 all star bigs who play next to elite playmakers and Herro was matched up with NBA journeymen; we only use context FOR Herro not against!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yall enjoy your weekend with your families, I’ve got money to lose on this football game tonight and the rest of the weekend.