Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

[djFan71]

If it's just about ducking the tax then Simons would've been traded a long time ago.

That trade is very bad for the Cs.
Not only are the Cs taking back a player who's always injured, the Cs also end up wasting a 1st round pick.

Again, if the Cs are willing to send a 1st round pick just to get rid of Simons, the trade would have happened last July.

I hate that argument, lol. Trades happen on their own timeline. Brad may not have wanted to in July, but comes to the realization he does by Sept. Or other teams weren't ready. Plenty of reasons why "it would have happened by now" is just not a thing.

But, I agree it's a harsh price. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it. Probably too nostalgic for Rob, lol. For people who think Tatum could be back in the spring, I think that's a better team to integrate him back into. Assuming health of course, which is a HUGE assumption. And, this season isn't really the point.

I think Rob could be a good 3rd/4th big for 26-27 on, but we could obviously just sign him next summer. Getting back to BOS and playing with the guys again might help sway him, though.

Anyways, you're welcome for the juicy steak to tear in to.

Reason why July was the best time to deal Simons is the Cs had multiple options.

Now, it's just the Nets who have significant cap space.

Back in July the Jazz were also a viable option for a Simons salary dump.

And like I said, what's stopping Brad from making a trade now and making it official on Sep. 7?

The Cs traded for Simons on June 24, but it only became official on July 7.
That didn't stop the Cs from announcing they had acquired Simons way before July 7.

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

Whatever the reason, it just seems silly to say "it would have happened by now" or "it would have been announced". They happen when they happen. Or, there just isn't one to be made. That's obviously a possibility. But, "nothing will happen because it hasn't already happened or been announced to be happening" is just a strange argument to me.

[redslastlaugh]

I do like it. Any Rob minutes will just be fan service, and, being our gap year, we can mainly keep him on ice and he can mentor Queta, Garza and Amari... and then in the summer of 2026, if he'll come back for cheap, like 2/$8 million or something, I'd love to re-sign him

Getting out of the tax just opens up so much more options for Brad in the future. But I just hate giving up more draft picks, we would almost surely be a playoff team when JT comes back but still I want our picks going forward. I'd have to say no to a 2027 first.

If this option was on the table a few months ago, like on draft night, I'd have done it for our #28 pick that became Hugo. But future picks are too much unknown and we need every tool in the toolbox when we are looking at adding to the team to make a playoff run when Tatum is back

Instead of a future FRP, will Danny take a good second and the rights to Yam Madar? lol

Red meat since it's boring out here:

BOS: Robert Williams, K Love
UTA: KCP, X, 27 BOS 1st (lotto protected converts to 2 2nds)
POR: SloMo, Landale, MEM 2nd(s)
MEM: Simons

BOS ducks the tax and gets Rob back. Love / X exchange is for finances on UTA end, but we still get below the line.
UTA gets a first for taking on bad salary.
POR gets a 2nd or two for their 3rd string center
MEM gets scoring and expiring salary.

From a T&T thread where I tweaked redslastlaugh's idea and probably made it too unpalatable.

I know people will say "I'm not trading a first to save hedge fund guys money". But the first is for the year Tatum's fully back and we reload next summer before it. And the savings make reloading more feasible. So, substitute Baylor or Hugo type in there and see if that feels any better. And, yes, I know there's variance and we could get a star at that pick, blah, blah...

tbf, I'm actually torn on if I'd do it. But wanted to toss it out there.

[djFan71]

I do like it. Any Rob minutes will just be fan service, and, being our gap year, we can mainly keep him on ice, if he'll come back for like 2/$8 million or something.

Getting out of the tax just opens up so much more options for Brad in the future. But I just hate giving up more draft picks, we would almost surely be a playoff team when JT comes back but still I want our picks going forward. I'd have to say no to a 2027 first.

If this option was on the table a few months ago, like on draft night, I'd have done it for our #28 pick that became Hugo. But future picks are too much unknown and we need every tool in the toolbox when we are looking at adding to the team to make a playoff run when Tatum is back

Instead of a future FRP, will Danny take a good second and the rights to Yam Madar? lol

Red meat since it's boring out here:

BOS: Robert Williams, K Love
UTA: KCP, X, 27 BOS 1st (lotto protected converts to 2 2nds)
POR: SloMo, Landale, MEM 2nd(s)
MEM: Simons

BOS ducks the tax and gets Rob back. Love / X exchange is for finances on UTA end, but we still get below the line.
UTA gets a first for taking on bad salary.
POR gets a 2nd or two for their 3rd string center
MEM gets scoring and expiring salary.

From a T&T thread where I tweaked redslastlaugh's idea and probably made it too unpalatable.

I know people will say "I'm not trading a first to save hedge fund guys money". But the first is for the year Tatum's fully back and we reload next summer before it. And the savings make reloading more feasible. So, substitute Baylor or Hugo type in there and see if that feels any better. And, yes, I know there's variance and we could get a star at that pick, blah, blah...

tbf, I'm actually torn on if I'd do it. But wanted to toss it out there.

I draw the line at Juhann.

But yeah, it is tough cuz there's a very real chance it's just a 1st for ducking the tax and no asset going forward - which sux. You're better defensively this year, but that's not really a goal.

[djFan71]

I do like it. Any Rob minutes will just be fan service, and, being our gap year, we can mainly keep him on ice, if he'll come back for like 2/$8 million or something.

Getting out of the tax just opens up so much more options for Brad in the future. But I just hate giving up more draft picks, we would almost surely be a playoff team when JT comes back but still I want our picks going forward. I'd have to say no to a 2027 first.

If this option was on the table a few months ago, like on draft night, I'd have done it for our #28 pick that became Hugo. But future picks are too much unknown and we need every tool in the toolbox when we are looking at adding to the team to make a playoff run when Tatum is back

Instead of a future FRP, will Danny take a good second and the rights to Yam Madar? lol

Red meat since it's boring out here:

BOS: Robert Williams, K Love
UTA: KCP, X, 27 BOS 1st (lotto protected converts to 2 2nds)
POR: SloMo, Landale, MEM 2nd(s)
MEM: Simons

BOS ducks the tax and gets Rob back. Love / X exchange is for finances on UTA end, but we still get below the line.
UTA gets a first for taking on bad salary.
POR gets a 2nd or two for their 3rd string center
MEM gets scoring and expiring salary.

From a T&T thread where I tweaked redslastlaugh's idea and probably made it too unpalatable.

I know people will say "I'm not trading a first to save hedge fund guys money". But the first is for the year Tatum's fully back and we reload next summer before it. And the savings make reloading more feasible. So, substitute Baylor or Hugo type in there and see if that feels any better. And, yes, I know there's variance and we could get a star at that pick, blah, blah...

tbf, I'm actually torn on if I'd do it. But wanted to toss it out there.

I draw the line at Juhann.

But yeah, it is tough cuz there's a very real chance it's just a 1st for ducking the tax and no asset going forward - which sux. You're better defensively this year, but that's not really a goal.

I do wonder if MEM should be paying more, not BOS. We could maybe do a couple seconds and MEM does the first. They're getting off worse salary here and getting a better player.

[Hal14]

Red meat since it's boring out here:

BOS: Robert Williams, K Love
UTA: KCP, X, 27 BOS 1st (lotto protected converts to 2 2nds)
POR: SloMo, Landale, MEM 2nd(s)
MEM: Simons

BOS ducks the tax and gets Rob back. Love / X exchange is for finances on UTA end, but we still get below the line.
UTA gets a first for taking on bad salary.
POR gets a few 2nds for their 3rd string center
MEM gets scoring and expiring salary.

From a T&T thread where I tweaked redslastlaugh's idea and probably made it too unpalatable.

I know people will say "I'm not trading a first to save hedge fund guys money". But the first is for the year Tatum's fully back and we reload next summer before it. And the savings make reloading more feasible. So, substitute Baylor or Hugo type in there and see if that feels any better. And, yes, I know there's variance and we could get a star at that pick, blah, blah...

If it's just about ducking the tax then Simons would've been traded a long time ago.

That trade is very bad for the Cs.
Not only are the Cs taking back a player who's always injured, the Cs also end up wasting a 1st round pick.

Again, if the Cs are willing to send a 1st round pick just to get rid of Simons, the trade would have happened last July.

I hate that argument, lol. Trades happen on their own timeline. Brad may not have wanted to in July, but comes to the realization he does by Sept. Or other teams weren't ready. Plenty of reasons why "it would have happened by now" is just not a thing.

But, I agree it's a harsh price. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it. Probably too nostalgic for Rob, lol. For people who think Tatum could be back in the spring, I think that's a better team to integrate him back into. Assuming health of course, which is a HUGE assumption. And, this season isn't really the point.

I think Rob could be a good 3rd/4th big for 26-27 on, but we could obviously just sign him next summer. Getting back to BOS and playing with the guys again might help sway him, though.

Anyways, you're welcome for the juicy steak to tear in to.

I have no hope for Rob to be stay healthy at this point.

20 games last year..6 the year before that, 35 the year before that. He's a walking injury report and a walking surgery waiting to happen on his knee/hip..

No thanks.

[djFan71]

If it's just about ducking the tax then Simons would've been traded a long time ago.

That trade is very bad for the Cs.
Not only are the Cs taking back a player who's always injured, the Cs also end up wasting a 1st round pick.

Again, if the Cs are willing to send a 1st round pick just to get rid of Simons, the trade would have happened last July.

I hate that argument, lol. Trades happen on their own timeline. Brad may not have wanted to in July, but comes to the realization he does by Sept. Or other teams weren't ready. Plenty of reasons why "it would have happened by now" is just not a thing.

But, I agree it's a harsh price. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it. Probably too nostalgic for Rob, lol. For people who think Tatum could be back in the spring, I think that's a better team to integrate him back into. Assuming health of course, which is a HUGE assumption. And, this season isn't really the point.

I think Rob could be a good 3rd/4th big for 26-27 on, but we could obviously just sign him next summer. Getting back to BOS and playing with the guys again might help sway him, though.

Anyways, you're welcome for the juicy steak to tear in to.

I have no hope for Rob to be stay healthy at this point.

20 games last year..6 the year before that, 35 the year before that. He's a walking injury report and a walking surgery waiting to happen on his knee/hip..

No thanks.

That's a full 3/4 of a season total, though. And think how rested he'll be!
If we could do it for a few 2nds, I'd still go for it, but I think I've talked myself out of the 1st.

[Hal14]

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

First off, players have no say in whether they are traded and if they are traded, they have no say in when the news breaks by Shams.

Secondly, the motivation for NBA teams to get a trade done early, even if it can't be made official by the league for another 2 days (or even 2 weeks) is to lock it in.

Get it done. Get it off their plate so they don't have to worry about it anymore. Have peace of mind, knowing it done.

And so the other team can't back out. It's very rare for a team to back out of a deal after it gets announced publicly. It pretty much never happens. The Brogdon trade to the Clippers? That wasn't even really announced - the Shams tweet simply says "Celtics, Wizards, Clippers are closing in on a trade sending..."

Closing in a on a trade means it's not a done deal. It's still being discussed. Hasn't been agreed upon by all teams.

When the media announces that a deal has actually been agreed upon, it pretty much always happens - a team pretty much never backs out at that point.

That's the primary motivation to get a deal done, even if it can't be made official with the league quite yet..and these types of deals are pretty common. I mentioned like 5 of them earlier today in this thread and those are just deals the celtics have made during Brad's tenure as POBO. If we expand it to include previous years and other teams, it's a lot more deals than that.

Lastly, even if both teams in a deal have agreed to the deal but aren't really trying to get it announced by the media quite yet, Shams is a shark. He has his ways of always sneaking in there, finding out what's going on and tweeting it out - whether the teams want him to or not. And if it's not Shams who tweets it, it's Stein or Siegel or Jake Fischer, Chris Haynes or some lesser known beat writer or blogger/podcaster. They're all trying to be the first ones to break the news - whether the teams want them to do it quite yet or not.

[Fierce1]

I hate that argument, lol. Trades happen on their own timeline. Brad may not have wanted to in July, but comes to the realization he does by Sept. Or other teams weren't ready. Plenty of reasons why "it would have happened by now" is just not a thing.

But, I agree it's a harsh price. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd do it. Probably too nostalgic for Rob, lol. For people who think Tatum could be back in the spring, I think that's a better team to integrate him back into. Assuming health of course, which is a HUGE assumption. And, this season isn't really the point.

I think Rob could be a good 3rd/4th big for 26-27 on, but we could obviously just sign him next summer. Getting back to BOS and playing with the guys again might help sway him, though.

Anyways, you're welcome for the juicy steak to tear in to.

Reason why July was the best time to deal Simons is the Cs had multiple options.

Now, it's just the Nets who have significant cap space.

Back in July the Jazz were also a viable option for a Simons salary dump.

And like I said, what's stopping Brad from making a trade now and making it official on Sep. 7?

The Cs traded for Simons on June 24, but it only became official on July 7.
That didn't stop the Cs from announcing they had acquired Simons way before July 7.

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

Whatever the reason, it just seems silly to say "it would have happened by now" or "it would have been announced". They happen when they happen. Or, there just isn't one to be made. That's obviously a possibility. But, "nothing will happen because it hasn't already happened or been announced to be happening" is just a strange argument to me.

If that's the case then it's also silly to say it's harder to trade Simons at the trade deadline because of a number of reasons.

That's the argument of those who keep saying Simons will not play for the Cs this season.

[djFan71]

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

First off, players have no say in whether they are traded and if they are traded, they have no say in when the news breaks by Shams.

Secondly, the motivation for NBA teams to get a trade done early, even if it can't be made official by the league for another 2 days (or even 2 weeks) is to lock it in.

Get it done. Get it off their plate so they don't have to worry about it anymore. Have peace of mind, knowing it done.

And so the other team can't back out. It's very rare for a team to back out of a deal after it gets announced publicly. It pretty much never happens. The Brogdon trade to the Clippers? That wasn't even really announced - the Shams tweet simply says "Celtics, Wizards, Clippers are closing in on a trade sending..."

Closing in a on a trade means it's not a done deal. It's still being discussed. Hasn't been agreed upon by all teams.

When the media announces that a deal has actually been agreed upon, it pretty much always happens - a team pretty much never backs out at that point.

That's the primary motivation to get a deal done, even if it can't be made official with the league quite yet..and these types of deals are pretty common. I mentioned like 5 of them earlier today in this thread and those are just deals the celtics have made during Brad's tenure as POBO. If we expand it to include previous years and other teams, it's a lot more deals than that.

Lastly, even if both teams in a deal have agreed to the deal but aren't really trying to get it announced by the media quite yet, Shams is a shark. He has his ways of always sneaking in there, finding out what's going on and tweeting it out - whether the teams want him to or not. And if it's not Shams who tweets it, it's Stein or Siegel or Jake Fischer, Chris Haynes or some lesser known beat writer or blogger/podcaster. They're all trying to be the first ones to break the news - whether the teams want them to do it quite yet or not.

So many words to miss the main point.

[redslastlaugh]

I have no hope for Rob to be stay healthy at this point.

20 games last year..6 the year before that, 35 the year before that. He's a walking injury report and a walking surgery waiting to happen on his knee/hip..

No thanks.

Rob is a top 3 Celtic for me as fan in the last 25 Years as a Celtics fan. So I'd love to have him, and I don't really expect him to play much. If the best case scenario would be that we fans get a super fun 500 minutes over 30 games, Sign Me Up, lol! And that would be the best case.

But this trade is just about trading Simons for a player making $13 million so that we can drop under the tax, get a year towards resetting the repeater, get a year that we are actually receiving reimbursement from the tax paying teams, so that in a couple years we can apply these advantages to going all out to try for another title when JT/JB are 30-32 yrs...

So it's not really about Rob or his injury availability, even though Rob's a favorite. I'd trade Simons for any player in the league on an expiring $13 million.

[Fierce1]

I have no hope for Rob to be stay healthy at this point.

20 games last year..6 the year before that, 35 the year before that. He's a walking injury report and a walking surgery waiting to happen on his knee/hip..

No thanks.

Rob is a top 3 Celtic for me as fan in the last 25 Years as a Celtics fan. So I'd love to have him, and I don't really expect him to play much. If we could get a super fun 500 minutes over 30 games, Sign Me Up, lol!

But this trade is just about trading Simons for a player making $13 million so that we can drop under the tax, get a year towards resetting the repeater, get a year that we are actually receiving reimbursement from the tax paying teams, so that in a couple years who can apply those advantages to going all out to try for another title when JT/JB are 30-32 yrs...

So it's not really about Rob or his injury availability, even though Rob's a favorite. I'd trade Simons for any player in the league on an expiring $13 million.

Cs can always do that later in the season.

That option will always be there as long as the Cs are willing to give up a pick or picks.

[redslastlaugh]

Cs can always do that later in the season.

That option will always be there as long as the Cs are willing to give up a pick or picks.

This particular trade, they could do it later on, perhaps. But trades once the season starts become harder because teams have to spend their cap space up to the salary floor before the season starts.

We have to take back $13 million less than we send out to drop under the tax. Usually the difference goes into cap space. It is still possible if no team has cap space, but it gets harder for sure

[Fierce1]

Cs can always do that later in the season.

That option will always be there as long as the Cs are willing to give up a pick or picks.

This particular trade, they could do it later on, perhaps. But trades once the season starts become harder because teams have to spend their cap space up to the salary floor before the season starts.

We have to take back $13 million less than we send out to drop under the tax. Usually the difference goes into cap space. It is still possible if no team has cap space, but it gets harder for sure

Yeah, but right now the Nets are the only team close to the salary floor.

That's why I said July was the perfect time to flip Simons because there were other teams, besides the Nets, that had significant cap space.

[phincsfan]

Always a big fan of RWill.

Did everything the right way but his body couldn't keep up with that commitment.

I'm glad he made a career out of it making close to 60mil.

I'd hold onto Simons because if they keep him this season he may be a steal of a contract if he plays well and they sign him.

[Green89]

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

First off, players have no say in whether they are traded and if they are traded, they have no say in when the news breaks by Shams.

Secondly, the motivation for NBA teams to get a trade done early, even if it can't be made official by the league for another 2 days (or even 2 weeks) is to lock it in.

Get it done. Get it off their plate so they don't have to worry about it anymore. Have peace of mind, knowing it done.

And so the other team can't back out. It's very rare for a team to back out of a deal after it gets announced publicly. It pretty much never happens. The Brogdon trade to the Clippers? That wasn't even really announced - the Shams tweet simply says "Celtics, Wizards, Clippers are closing in on a trade sending..."

Closing in a on a trade means it's not a done deal. It's still being discussed. Hasn't been agreed upon by all teams.

When the media announces that a deal has actually been agreed upon, it pretty much always happens - a team pretty much never backs out at that point.

That's the primary motivation to get a deal done, even if it can't be made official with the league quite yet..and these types of deals are pretty common. I mentioned like 5 of them earlier today in this thread and those are just deals the celtics have made during Brad's tenure as POBO. If we expand it to include previous years and other teams, it's a lot more deals than that.

Lastly, even if both teams in a deal have agreed to the deal but aren't really trying to get it announced by the media quite yet, Shams is a shark. He has his ways of always sneaking in there, finding out what's going on and tweeting it out - whether the teams want him to or not. And if it's not Shams who tweets it, it's Stein or Siegel or Jake Fischer, Chris Haynes or some lesser known beat writer or blogger/podcaster. They're all trying to be the first ones to break the news - whether the teams want them to do it quite yet or not.

The situation we are in now, where Simons may not even suit up and get traded a second time within a short span, is different from other scenarios you are describing. The situation we are in with him is uncommon, therefore you cannot just easily say a deal would have been announced already if there was one, because the other trades did.

[celtxman]

Read on Twitter

Looks like the S&T Cam for Simons option is out the window. Not that it was really ever "in the window" (???) but, now it's really not.

The Celtics lost serious talent in the offseason to save money. It forces us all to consider all talent at cheaper prices. Thomas was a guy with talent I thought might be a good fit - maybe giving the Nets a pick to swap Simons for Thomas.

[Curmudgeon]

The Celtics lost serious talent in the offseason to save money. It forces us all to consider all talent at cheaper prices. Thomas was a guy with talent I thought might be a good fit - maybe giving the Nets a pick to swap Simons for Thomas.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, so long as it was not the 2026 first rounder. But would Brooklyn? They have so many young guards already.

[playa-hater]

If Josh Giddey is only being offered 4 years at 88 million, which is about half of what Giddey's camp wants, tells me that the market is not good right now with teams and Cap space. And Giddey is far more attractive as a FA then let's say Simons is or will be. So by next year I would expect Simons can be had dirt cheap. His ceiling may not even be 20 per.. If he plays well with us this season, then by all means DON'T trade him. His assets of what he brings to the table >> anything negative + whomever else we have.

My only consideration for trading him is getting a 1st and going full tank.. If that doesn't happen than stay with plan A.

[djFan71]

The Celtics lost serious talent in the offseason to save money. It forces us all to consider all talent at cheaper prices. Thomas was a guy with talent I thought might be a good fit - maybe giving the Nets a pick to swap Simons for Thomas.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat, so long as it was not the 2026 first rounder. But would Brooklyn? They have so many young guards already.

He can’t be traded til Dec now is the main problem. By that time the Nets will have to be at the salary floor, so a straight Simons for Cam trade doesn’t work for them financially anymore. So, you’re back to normal salary matching which makes it harder to duck the tax as part of this trade.

It was possible as an S&T, but not really feasible once he signed the QO.

[djFan71]

Reason why July was the best time to deal Simons is the Cs had multiple options.

Now, it's just the Nets who have significant cap space.

Back in July the Jazz were also a viable option for a Simons salary dump.

And like I said, what's stopping Brad from making a trade now and making it official on Sep. 7?

The Cs traded for Simons on June 24, but it only became official on July 7.
That didn't stop the Cs from announcing they had acquired Simons way before July 7.

Sure, a trade could be done and reported early. It could also be done and not reported early. The trade on June 24 was announced before the draft, which is a significant period of transactions. There's not a ton of motivation to announce one early at this point. Anything in the world could be stopping a trade from happening or being announced. Other teams are involved. Agents are involved. Players are in Eurobasket and don't want the distraction of an announcement. Etc, etc.

Whatever the reason, it just seems silly to say "it would have happened by now" or "it would have been announced". They happen when they happen. Or, there just isn't one to be made. That's obviously a possibility. But, "nothing will happen because it hasn't already happened or been announced to be happening" is just a strange argument to me.

If that's the case then it's also silly to say it's harder to trade Simons at the trade deadline because of a number of reasons.

That's the argument of those who keep saying Simons will not play for the Cs this season.

It’s not harder to trade him at the deadline, it’s harder to duck the tax while doing it then.

Since Brad traded Niang it’s a little easier, but saving $12M at the deadline will be harder in season than now. Teams have more flexibility with roster spots now. They haven’t all filled them all yet with the guys they want yet. Plus you can go over 15 roster spots now, but have to waive people to stay under during the season.

I agree July was an easier time for it. But now is easier than the deadline to duck the tax. I also agree Simons could have slightly more value at the deadline as far as a return. But, think it’ll be tougher to duck the tax at that time.