Bulls Offering Josh Giddey $88M Over Four Years

[TimeisIllmatic]

Hm is he really going to get more at this point?

[Twinkie defense]

It's silly to say oh $80 mil, $100 mil what's the difference... you think Jeff Bezos thinks that way? And unlike Bezos, Giddey only has a short window to accumulate wealth.

Now Chicago, if they want him on the roster, should pay him market rate. Maybe even slightly above market rate because that's what you do with players you want to have a long-term relationship with. IDK what his market rate is but according to 16 NBA front office execs surveyed by The Athletic,

"Of the four remaining restricted players, Giddey inspired the most consistent contract suggestions. Respondents were most comfortable giving him money.

Fourteen of the 16 participants proposed an average annual salary between $20 million and $25 million."

So 4/$88 mil is not an unreasonable offer. Of course he should say I want the upper end of the average, not the lower end (who wouldn't?). Seems like they are in agreement range, and it would be risky for Giddey to take the QO.

If Giddey's agent thinks he's got more upside than the Bulls are recognizing maybe they should counter with same annual money, fewer years.

Also, I see Giddey's defense derided and Giddey being called a one-way player. He's not likely to get any DPOY nods but according to his defensive rating he's average or slightly-above average defensively. You don't want to have a roster full of average defenders but you can get by with some average defenders. Not everyone in your starting lineup is going to be an above-average defender - especially if they are expected to bring other skills to the table.

[Twinkie defense]

There's a reason why OKC was fine letting him go.

OKC has a looming cap problem, and Josh Giddey is due a big raise. So they pivoted to a very solid role-player type under long-term contract with a $20 mil per year average. Especially in the punitive first- and second-apron cap era, smart teams get ahead of looming cap problems.

[beefman]

I'm not exactly sure what this kids agent is telling him, but it can't be right. $88 million, if managed correctly, has the possibility of being generational wealth.

managed correctly aka don't be a f*cking idiot. honestly, if you are not dumber than a box of rocks, 88 mio IS generational wealth for you, your children and your grandchhildren (if there is still a planet to live on for them). also, don't forget, he already made 27 mio during his rookie contract.

with the way trump is handling the economy, 88 million will become the equivalent of $500k

[Future Coach]

Just for reference, some quick back-of-napkin math reviewing earning potential over the next 4 years, with the Bulls offer of 4 years $88M vs the alternative route of signing the Qualifying Offer for $11.1M for 1 year. That would mean Giddey would need to earn at least $76.9M over the next 3 years (~$25.7M per year) in his next contract to make that decision close to being financially worthwhile. I say "close" because it doesn't take into consideration:
- The value/earning potential an extra $10.9M can do over the next year.
- The likely reduction in overall career earning potential due to passing up on $10.9M this next year, necessitating his next contract to really be larger.
-- Additionally, which of the teams with potential cap space next off season could both sign him to a large enough contract and provide him with a similar opportunity/role to get minutes and dominate the ball (helping increase his potential earnings with his future contracts) - and then will also prioritize paying him that big bag of $? Brooklyn? Utah? Washington? Anyone else? If those teams are truly interested, how come they're not trying to trade for him now?

Overall, I think the market for him (at the contract $ he wants) is smaller than he realizes. I also he think he should get a financial advisor.

[objectivefan]

Greed of these people is disgusting.

With 5 million and basic investments you can live a luxury life until you die.

Agreed, he should take whatever the team offer. Anything over $21/hour is greedy

[watpho71]

Money and contract aside, this is a perfect fit for player and team. A deal must get done and should get done by training camp. What team in the NBA needs a primary player to run their offense next season that will pay Giddey 25 plus? The Bulls have the upper hand and we may be looking at another Dennis Schröder situation unfortunately.

[ontnut]

Just for reference, some quick back-of-napkin math reviewing earning potential over the next 4 years, with the Bulls offer of 4 years $88M vs the alternative route of signing the Qualifying Offer for $11.1M for 1 year. That would mean Giddey would need to earn at least $76.9M over the next 3 years (~$25.7M per year) in his next contract to make that decision close to being financially worthwhile. I say "close" because it doesn't take into consideration:
- The value/earning potential an extra $10.9M can do over the next year.
- The likely reduction in overall career earning potential due to passing up on $10.9M this next year, necessitating his next contract to really be larger.
-- Additionally, which of the teams with potential cap space next off season could both sign him to a large enough contract and provide him with a similar opportunity/role to get minutes and dominate the ball (helping increase his potential earnings with his future contracts) - and then will also prioritize paying him that big bag of $? Brooklyn? Utah? Washington? Anyone else? If those teams are truly interested, how come they're not trying to trade for him now?

Overall, I think the market for him (at the contract $ he wants) is smaller than he realizes. I also he think he should get a financial advisor.

I think he could get more.
He's not a great player. But I think there could be a desperate team in the offseason. S&T for the max, esp after he gets to show out this season.

Don't discount the yearly rising cap. The longer you delay your contract, the higher the ceiling.

I don't think he's worth it. In the same way I think GS doesn't belive Kuminga is worth it.

I hope teams are getting smarter about giving out oversized contrats to marginal players.

[Sports_Prophet]

He's an absolute no-show on defense. It's not relevant that HE thinks he's worth more. He simply isn't.

It cracks me up that they keep referring to players like Quickley and his obvious overpay from Toronto to try to justify that they should also be overpaid.

If Chicago caves and pays Giddey what he's trying to demand, they won't be able to trade him if they decide to move in another direction. That alone is reason enough to hold firm.

Overpaying for one-way players is a certain recipe for a deficient roster with no escape path. Same reason Brooklyn isn't handing a bag to Cam.

I'm no fan of the CHI front office team. But they're doing the right thing here. It's just terrible judgment that they sacrificed Caruso to put themselves in this position to begin with.

Your point is absolutely correct! I keep telling people that Giddy is not worth 30 million per year especially with this new CBA! That type of money should go to players who can impact the game on both ends of the court! People on here pull out useless offensive stats in a league where most of the player play no defense! The Indiana vs OKC games showed people that of you have players that can play on both ends you can overcome teams with more talent and win championships! Numerous players are overpaid and a perfect example is LBJ and Luka! Not one of them can play defense and LBJ shouldn't been an all NBA selection! Also just because other teams hand out really bad contracts doesn't mean the bulls should do the same!!

[Pickled Prunes]

He's an absolute no-show on defense. It's not relevant that HE thinks he's worth more. He simply isn't.

It cracks me up that they keep referring to players like Quickley and his obvious overpay from Toronto to try to justify that they should also be overpaid.

If Chicago caves and pays Giddey what he's trying to demand, they won't be able to trade him if they decide to move in another direction. That alone is reason enough to hold firm.

Overpaying for one-way players is a certain recipe for a deficient roster with no escape path. Same reason Brooklyn isn't handing a bag to Cam.

I'm no fan of the CHI front office team. But they're doing the right thing here. It's just terrible judgment that they sacrificed Caruso to put themselves in this position to begin with.

The guy is flirting with a triple double average every season, and you calling him a one way player? If that’s your argument cool, but don’t lowball him.

Of the 22 players that suited up for CHI last season, he had the 5th best Defensive Rating. There are so many worse defenders in the NBA on bigger contracts. None of this is about defense.

CHI wants to lock in a core piece on a team friendly deal. I get it, but those type of deals usually get signed before the player breaks out. Post All-Star, Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50% FG% and 46% 3pt%. He is absolutely the kind of player a good coach could build an offense around... unfortunately, I don't put Billy Donovan in that category.

Giddey is just 22. Of the RFA holdouts this summer (Kuminga/Grimes/Thomas/Giddey), Giddey is the only one that I think will be relevant four years from now. Players can improve their shot and find a fit within a team defensive scheme, but court vision can't be taught. They come into the league with it or they survive without it.

[Rek]

He's an absolute no-show on defense. It's not relevant that HE thinks he's worth more. He simply isn't.

It cracks me up that they keep referring to players like Quickley and his obvious overpay from Toronto to try to justify that they should also be overpaid.

If Chicago caves and pays Giddey what he's trying to demand, they won't be able to trade him if they decide to move in another direction. That alone is reason enough to hold firm.

Overpaying for one-way players is a certain recipe for a deficient roster with no escape path. Same reason Brooklyn isn't handing a bag to Cam.

I'm no fan of the CHI front office team. But they're doing the right thing here. It's just terrible judgment that they sacrificed Caruso to put themselves in this position to begin with.

The guy is flirting with a triple double average every season, and you calling him a one way player? If that’s your argument cool, but don’t lowball him.

Of the 22 players that suited up for CHI last season, he had the 5th best Defensive Rating. There are so many worse defenders in the NBA on bigger contracts. None of this is about defense.

CHI wants to lock in a core piece on a team friendly deal. I get it, but those type of deals usually get signed before the player breaks out. Post All-Star, Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50% FG% and 46% 3pt%. He is absolutely the kind of player a good coach could build an offense around... unfortunately, I don't put Billy Donovan in that category.

Giddey is just 22. Of the RFA holdouts this summer (Kuminga/Grimes/Thomas/Giddey), Giddey is the only one that I think will be relevant four years from now. Players can improve their shot and find a fit within a team defensive scheme, but court vision can't be taught. They come into the league with it or they survive without it.

His defensive rating jumped over 10 points for this past season to 122.6. That is terrible.

Plus, being ranked 5th on a roster that includes guys like Vucevic and LaVine (until February) isn't exactly impressive. The team as a whole ranked 18th in defense.

While I agree that a better coach could get more out of him and he has outstanding court vision, I don't think he's a competent defender. I've watched him play enough to see that opponents never hesitate to go right at him, and usually past him.

If CHI believes he's truly a building block, then they should pay him accordingly. 22 million per isn't exactly big money these days. 30 million per is normal if not low salary for someone who can be the engine for your entire offense. I have to think they have their concerns about him, given what is playing out. Either that or they simply have no clue what they're trying to build, which is entirely possible.

[t-rexCity]

Dang. This post got so much traffic. We're all starving for NBA season to begin

[Pickled Prunes]

The guy is flirting with a triple double average every season, and you calling him a one way player? If that’s your argument cool, but don’t lowball him.

Of the 22 players that suited up for CHI last season, he had the 5th best Defensive Rating. There are so many worse defenders in the NBA on bigger contracts. None of this is about defense.

CHI wants to lock in a core piece on a team friendly deal. I get it, but those type of deals usually get signed before the player breaks out. Post All-Star, Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50% FG% and 46% 3pt%. He is absolutely the kind of player a good coach could build an offense around... unfortunately, I don't put Billy Donovan in that category.

Giddey is just 22. Of the RFA holdouts this summer (Kuminga/Grimes/Thomas/Giddey), Giddey is the only one that I think will be relevant four years from now. Players can improve their shot and find a fit within a team defensive scheme, but court vision can't be taught. They come into the league with it or they survive without it.

His defensive rating jumped over 10 points for this past season to 122.6. That is terrible.

Plus, being ranked 5th on a roster that includes guys like Vucevic and LaVine (until February) isn't exactly impressive. The team as a whole ranked 18th in defense.

While I agree that a better coach could get more out of him and he has outstanding court vision, I don't think he's a competent defender. I've watched him play enough to see that opponents never hesitate to go right at him, and usually past him.

If CHI believes he's truly a building block, then they should pay him accordingly. 22 million per isn't exactly big money these days. 30 million per is normal if not low salary for someone who can be the engine for your entire offense. I have to think they have their concerns about him, given what is playing out. Either that or they simply have no clue what they're trying to build, which is entirely possible.

RealGM has his defensive rating at 113.9 which would rank him 145th in the NBA. Here are some names behind him that are either star players or known for their D.

149. Brook Lopez
152. Lebron
154. Steph
162. Dillon Brooks
168. OG
193. Siakam
194. Bane
200-299: Haliburton, Ja, Lillard, Kyrie, Durant, CP3, Zion, Maxey
<300: Bridges, Klay, Brunson, Murray, Aaron Gordon, Markkanen, Booker

CHI being 18th in D places them firmly in the middle of the NBA, which is better than I would have expected.

According to RealGM, in his last season in OKC Giddey was 4th in DRtg at 111.8. The bigger issue was that they really didn't need him to do what he does best... run an offense.

To your point, yes, they need to pay him or come up with a new plan. This deal sounds like it would start at $20m with 8% raises. $20m is 6th man money at this point. Giddey is better than that already.

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[TheCage4]

I'm not exactly sure what this kids agent is telling him, but it can't be right. $88 million, if managed correctly, has the possibility of being generational wealth.

managed correctly aka don't be a f*cking idiot. honestly, if you are not dumber than a box of rocks, 88 mio IS generational wealth for you, your children and your grandchhildren (if there is still a planet to live on for them). also, don't forget, he already made 27 mio during his rookie contract.

with the way trump is handling the economy, 88 million will become the equivalent of $500k

[Rek]

Of the 22 players that suited up for CHI last season, he had the 5th best Defensive Rating. There are so many worse defenders in the NBA on bigger contracts. None of this is about defense.

CHI wants to lock in a core piece on a team friendly deal. I get it, but those type of deals usually get signed before the player breaks out. Post All-Star, Giddey averaged 21/11/9 on 50% FG% and 46% 3pt%. He is absolutely the kind of player a good coach could build an offense around... unfortunately, I don't put Billy Donovan in that category.

Giddey is just 22. Of the RFA holdouts this summer (Kuminga/Grimes/Thomas/Giddey), Giddey is the only one that I think will be relevant four years from now. Players can improve their shot and find a fit within a team defensive scheme, but court vision can't be taught. They come into the league with it or they survive without it.

His defensive rating jumped over 10 points for this past season to 122.6. That is terrible.

Plus, being ranked 5th on a roster that includes guys like Vucevic and LaVine (until February) isn't exactly impressive. The team as a whole ranked 18th in defense.

While I agree that a better coach could get more out of him and he has outstanding court vision, I don't think he's a competent defender. I've watched him play enough to see that opponents never hesitate to go right at him, and usually past him.

If CHI believes he's truly a building block, then they should pay him accordingly. 22 million per isn't exactly big money these days. 30 million per is normal if not low salary for someone who can be the engine for your entire offense. I have to think they have their concerns about him, given what is playing out. Either that or they simply have no clue what they're trying to build, which is entirely possible.

RealGM has his defensive rating at 113.9 which would rank him 145th in the NBA. Here are some names behind him that are either star players or known for their D.

149. Brook Lopez
152. Lebron
154. Steph
162. Dillon Brooks
168. OG
193. Siakam
194. Bane
200-299: Haliburton, Ja, Lillard, Kyrie, Durant, CP3, Zion, Maxey
<300: Bridges, Klay, Brunson, Murray, Aaron Gordon, Markkanen, Booker

CHI being 18th in D places them firmly in the middle of the NBA, which is better than I would have expected.

According to RealGM, in his last season in OKC Giddey was 4th in DRtg at 111.8. The bigger issue was that they really didn't need him to do what he does best... run an offense.

To your point, yes, they need to pay him or come up with a new plan. This deal sounds like it would start at $20m with 8% raises. $20m is 6th man money at this point. Giddey is better than that already.

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I made the mistake of trusting what Google AI spit out instead of going to BasketBall Reference. I should have checked.

I'm honestly shocked that his defensive rating is that good from what I have seen of him.

Not sure how much stock I can put into a rating system that projects Giddey as a more impactful defender than OG, Siakam, or Bane.

[Pickled Prunes]

His defensive rating jumped over 10 points for this past season to 122.6. That is terrible.

Plus, being ranked 5th on a roster that includes guys like Vucevic and LaVine (until February) isn't exactly impressive. The team as a whole ranked 18th in defense.

While I agree that a better coach could get more out of him and he has outstanding court vision, I don't think he's a competent defender. I've watched him play enough to see that opponents never hesitate to go right at him, and usually past him.

If CHI believes he's truly a building block, then they should pay him accordingly. 22 million per isn't exactly big money these days. 30 million per is normal if not low salary for someone who can be the engine for your entire offense. I have to think they have their concerns about him, given what is playing out. Either that or they simply have no clue what they're trying to build, which is entirely possible.

RealGM has his defensive rating at 113.9 which would rank him 145th in the NBA. Here are some names behind him that are either star players or known for their D.

149. Brook Lopez
152. Lebron
154. Steph
162. Dillon Brooks
168. OG
193. Siakam
194. Bane
200-299: Haliburton, Ja, Lillard, Kyrie, Durant, CP3, Zion, Maxey
<300: Bridges, Klay, Brunson, Murray, Aaron Gordon, Markkanen, Booker

CHI being 18th in D places them firmly in the middle of the NBA, which is better than I would have expected.

According to RealGM, in his last season in OKC Giddey was 4th in DRtg at 111.8. The bigger issue was that they really didn't need him to do what he does best... run an offense.

To your point, yes, they need to pay him or come up with a new plan. This deal sounds like it would start at $20m with 8% raises. $20m is 6th man money at this point. Giddey is better than that already.

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I made the mistake of trusting what Google AI spit out instead of going to BasketBall Reference. I should have checked.

I'm honestly shocked that his defensive rating is that good from what I have seen of him.

Not sure how much stock I can put into a rating system that projects Giddey as a more impactful defender than OG, Siakam, or Bane.

Well, DRtg is influenced by team. OG had to share the floor with Brunson for most of his minutes. That will bring anyone down.

Giddy's not a great primary defender, so there are definitely some videos of him getting exposed. But he is a decent secondary defender because he's long and sees the floor well. He's nowhere near as bad as his reputation. I think the biggest knock on him prior to last season was his 3p%. I'm not 100% convinced that is fixed. We'll soon see!