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Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
Archx wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
Taikuri wrote:If I remember right, Finland has the third youngest team in the tournament, while Markkanen has more prime years to come. So the future does look good. Sasu Salin is the only one retiring in the neat future and there may not be a spot for Madsen soon, because Mustapha Amzil will take his spot, more than likely.
Mirotic12 wrote:Archx wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
They wouldn't have won the gold without naturalizing a player that had never been to their country before.
So that's most definitely an asterisk title.
Mirotic12 wrote:Archx wrote:Wow i totally forgot it's the knockout stage already. Damn, didn't see this coming. I didn't expect anyone would be able to stop Jokic in European competition after another dominant NBA season.
GZ Finland, well deserved.
Serbia were big favorites without a doubt. But they lost their 2nd best player to injury, their point guard Micic looks completely washed up, and their coach is a total has been.
Plus, in general, it's really hard to win the EuroBasket championship.
Spain won 4, but the last one is an asterisk, because they don't win the last one without naturalizing Lorenzo Brown.
Lithuania won 3. One of those came playing at home, where you always get ref help, and two of them came before World War II. So post World War II they have 1.
Italy won 2.
Greece won 2, and one was at home with ref help.
No other country has won more than 1 title.
Russia, France, Germany, Slovenia, Latvia, and Hungary only have 1 each.
Germany won it when they were at home and had ref help.
Russia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing JR Holden.
Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
Latvia's only title came before World War II.
Hungary's only title came when they were at home, and had ref help.
Nuntius wrote:Taikuri wrote:If I remember right, Finland has the third youngest team in the tournament, while Markkanen has more prime years to come. So the future does look good. Sasu Salin is the only one retiring in the neat future and there may not be a spot for Madsen soon, because Mustapha Amzil will take his spot, more than likely.
Sadly, Finland's youth teams were disappointing in this summer's EuroBasket competitions. U20 and u16 teams both finished 15th and got relegated to Division B while u18 team that was in Division B finished 18th and was nowhere close to a promotion.
There's some talent there like Ekwere, Amzil and Adler but there's a pretty big hole when it comes to bigs. Maybe Joseph Tala grows into a 7 footer? He's 6'7 at 15 so he might.
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Archx wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
knicksfan974 wrote:Archx wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
Yes I want to penalize. No matter the size of the country and its population, have enough self respect not to fall for the random american mercenary stuff. I have big respect for all the countries who go to war with their own, without adding any random mercs, win or lose. Slovenia with Randolph and Spain with Lorenzo Brown, there is no respect from me, these titles carry a big asterisk.
Nuntius wrote:Pistol_Pete wrote:Wow i had no clue there was this many black people in Finland. Amazing feat beating Serbia but didnt know the Finnish are so black skinned.
You are aware that two people of different colors can marry and have kids, right? Little, Nkamhua and Grandison all have Finnish mothers.
But go on, tell us what you really are itching to say.
knicksfan974 wrote:Archx wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:Slovenia's only title is an asterisk, because they wouldn't have won it without naturalizing Anthony Randolph.
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
Yes I want to penalize. No matter the size of the country and its population, have enough self respect not to fall for the random american mercenary stuff. I have big respect for all the countries who go to war with their own, without adding any random mercs, win or lose. Slovenia with Randolph and Spain with Lorenzo Brown, there is no respect from me, these titles carry a big asterisk.
Mavrelous wrote:knicksfan974 wrote:Archx wrote:
That's ridiculous. You want to penalize a 2M population country simply for following FIBA rules? Slovenia didn't lose a single game in that tournament and it for sure wasn't like that because of Randolph lol.
Yes I want to penalize. No matter the size of the country and its population, have enough self respect not to fall for the random american mercenary stuff. I have big respect for all the countries who go to war with their own, without adding any random mercs, win or lose. Slovenia with Randolph and Spain with Lorenzo Brown, there is no respect from me, these titles carry a big asterisk.
Americans themselves added a mercenary Cameroonian because of their lack depth at C, does the Paris gold have asterisk also?
knicksfan974 wrote:Mavrelous wrote:knicksfan974 wrote:
Yes I want to penalize. No matter the size of the country and its population, have enough self respect not to fall for the random american mercenary stuff. I have big respect for all the countries who go to war with their own, without adding any random mercs, win or lose. Slovenia with Randolph and Spain with Lorenzo Brown, there is no respect from me, these titles carry a big asterisk.
Americans themselves added a mercenary Cameroonian because of their lack depth at C, does the Paris gold have asterisk also?
Yes of course, that was very unnecessary and such a weak move by the US basketball federation. I mean it's the United States, they shouldn't need to rely on foreign mercenaries.
Mavrelous wrote:knicksfan974 wrote:Mavrelous wrote:Americans themselves added a mercenary Cameroonian because of their lack depth at C, does the Paris gold have asterisk also?
Yes of course, that was very unnecessary and such a weak move by the US basketball federation. I mean it's the United States, they shouldn't need to rely on foreign mercenaries.
I'm not sure they beat the Serbs w/o him, so it was necessary.
UcanUwill wrote: Valančiūnas was spot minutes player in this game, latvia plays 5 out. Valančiūnas honestly looks cooked, I do not know how can he still play in the NBA.
Mirotic12 wrote:Lithuania won 3. One of those came playing at home, where you always get ref help
Hungary's only title came when they were at home, and had ref help.
knicksfan974 wrote:Mavrelous wrote:knicksfan974 wrote:
Yes of course, that was very unnecessary and such a weak move by the US basketball federation. I mean it's the United States, they shouldn't need to rely on foreign mercenaries.
I'm not sure they beat the Serbs w/o him, so it was necessary.
Got the win, lost the reputation. US dominance in basketball is apparently long over, as they can't even beat Serbia with only american players.
Finland, with a population of like 5-6 million, beat Serbia yesterday with only Finnish-born players. Feelings after the win: pure joy. Feelings after the win if it would have come with a foreign mercenary on the roster: no joy.
Bob8 wrote:knicksfan974 wrote:Mavrelous wrote:I'm not sure they beat the Serbs w/o him, so it was necessary.
Got the win, lost the reputation. US dominance in basketball is apparently long over, as they can't even beat Serbia with only american players.
Finland, with a population of like 5-6 million, beat Serbia yesterday with only Finnish-born players. Feelings after the win: pure joy. Feelings after the win if it would have come with a foreign mercenary on the roster: no joy.
And Serbia has population of 6.6 mio.
