Markannen to Pistons

[Godaddycurse]

Like the idea of Markkanen coming to Detroit. Especially if we re-sign Beasley.
Don't like including Ivey.
Tobias and filler plus picks is all id do. Thats a massive contract.
Duren Stew
Markkanen Holland
Ausar Robinson
Ivey Beasley
Cade Levert

To match his salary$44mil it would probably have to be Duncan or Levert who has to go with Tobias $25mil. Sasser makes too little and Reed only 6mil

what are you proposing as filler though? you need to add 10+ mil to salary match

[babyjax13]

Like the idea of Markkanen coming to Detroit. Especially if we re-sign Beasley.
Don't like including Ivey.
Tobias and filler plus picks is all id do. Thats a massive contract.
Duren Stew
Markkanen Holland
Ausar Robinson
Ivey Beasley
Cade Levert

To match his salary$44mil it would probably have to be Duncan or Levert who has to go with Tobias $25mil. Sasser makes too little and Reed only 6mil

what are you proposing as filler though? you need to add 10+ mil to salary match

I feel like Robinson makes the most sense if they keep Beasley. That means a trade part way into the season, but I think that timing is inevitable, anyway. Lauri needs to show he can bounce back for us to get a decent return.

[jbk1234]

Lauri has like a top 3 worst contract in the league. Utah would be lucky to just dump him.

This is too far in the other direction. Lauri looked good on the Cavs and the first season in Utah before they began tanking in earnest. I just think he's not the type of player you can put a hot mess around and expect to look good. His skill set is such that the lineups need to be relatively functional.

[babyjax13]

Lauri has like a top 3 worst contract in the league. Utah would be lucky to just dump him.

This is too far in the other direction. Lauri looked good on the Cavs and the first season in Utah before they began tanking in earnest. I just think he's not the type of player you can put a hot mess around and expect to look good. His skill set is such that the lineups need to be relatively functional.

He looked great in Utah's first TWO years, not just the first year where he was an all-star. We shut him down at the end of both years to tank, as well - so the games played is pretty dubious (lots of reporting that he could have played both seasons).

[SkyHook]

Like the idea of Markkanen coming to Detroit. Especially if we re-sign Beasley.
Don't like including Ivey.
Tobias and filler plus picks is all id do. Thats a massive contract.
Duren Stew
Markkanen Holland
Ausar Robinson
Ivey Beasley
Cade Levert

To match his salary$44mil it would probably have to be Duncan or Levert who has to go with Tobias $25mil. Sasser makes too little and Reed only 6mil

Agree.

I see Markkhannen as a third/fourth starter, but paid full value as a second star. I'd want a significant discount on trade value to take on that contract.

I don't fault anyone for assessing him this way after this past season, but I don't think that the Jazz FO see him this way at all. I expect them to remain a reluctant seller in his case, unwilling to move him for anything less than an overwhelming offer (which I don't see forthcoming from anyone). Personally I'm happy to keep him long term.

[Daddy 801]

He’s playing just fine in Eurobasket. Utah is in no rush. Let him get his value up as high as possible and then IF Utah wants to trade him they will. If teams aren’t willing to give up multiple first round draft picks there is no point in trading him. The complaints about his contract don’t matter to Utah.

[Canadafan]

Like the idea of Markkanen coming to Detroit. Especially if we re-sign Beasley.
Don't like including Ivey.
Tobias and filler plus picks is all id do. Thats a massive contract.
Duren Stew
Markkanen Holland
Ausar Robinson
Ivey Beasley
Cade Levert

To match his salary$44mil it would probably have to be Duncan or Levert who has to go with Tobias $25mil. Sasser makes too little and Reed only 6mil

what are you proposing as filler though? you need to add 10+ mil to salary match

Duncan or Levert make $14 so one of them. Id imagine Utah would prefer Duncan with his favorable contract setup. Only 2mil guaranteed next yr and zero for yr 3

[Laimbeer]

This is an "all in" offer you can only make once every several years with your picks. Lauri had an off year and limits the ceiling. I'd reserve this kind of offer for someone like Siakam.

[Scoot McGroot]

Lauri has like a top 3 worst contract in the league. Utah would be lucky to just dump him.

This is too far in the other direction. Lauri looked good on the Cavs and the first season in Utah before they began tanking in earnest. I just think he's not the type of player you can put a hot mess around and expect to look good. His skill set is such that the lineups need to be relatively functional.

We shut him down at the end of both years to tank, as well - so the games played is pretty dubious (lots of reporting that he could have played both seasons).

To be fair, this is the result of those decisions? And why players tend to push back on “dubious rest” for tanks, especially for multiple years? Eventually the player is associated with needing rest and with an inability to be healthy. He’ll have to earn a new reputation back before he can be trusted to be healthy.

[chrbal]

Lauri has like a top 3 worst contract in the league. Utah would be lucky to just dump him.

This is too far in the other direction. Lauri looked good on the Cavs and the first season in Utah before they began tanking in earnest. I just think he's not the type of player you can put a hot mess around and expect to look good. His skill set is such that the lineups need to be relatively functional.

He looked great in Utah's first TWO years, not just the first year where he was an all-star. We shut him down at the end of both years to tank, as well - so the games played is pretty dubious (lots of reporting that he could have played both seasons).

I realize this may come off as an obvious statement, but Ainge is weakening the trade value of the guys he may trade. The asking for too much and all the load management, as well as just being difficult to trade with overall are the prime problems.

I don’t have much beyond Sextons expiring and a second only getting Nurkic. The Collins trade seems underwhelming, but you saved money (maybe this one was about right for the timing of it), Clarkson should’ve been unloaded when he was getting all those sixth man votes including the year he won it

[babyjax13]

This is too far in the other direction. Lauri looked good on the Cavs and the first season in Utah before they began tanking in earnest. I just think he's not the type of player you can put a hot mess around and expect to look good. His skill set is such that the lineups need to be relatively functional.

We shut him down at the end of both years to tank, as well - so the games played is pretty dubious (lots of reporting that he could have played both seasons).

To be fair, this is the result of those decisions? And why players tend to push back on “dubious rest” for tanks, especially for multiple years? Eventually the player is associated with needing rest and with an inability to be healthy. He’ll have to earn a new reputation back before he can be trusted to be healthy.

I am not arguing against that, the entire direction of the organization has been to weaken his value. They should have traded him when he was on his cheap contract.

[giberish]

We shut him down at the end of both years to tank, as well - so the games played is pretty dubious (lots of reporting that he could have played both seasons).

To be fair, this is the result of those decisions? And why players tend to push back on “dubious rest” for tanks, especially for multiple years? Eventually the player is associated with needing rest and with an inability to be healthy. He’ll have to earn a new reputation back before he can be trusted to be healthy.

I am not arguing against that, the entire direction of the organization has been to weaken his value. They should have traded him when he was on his cheap contract.

I also think that Utah had to somewhat 'overpay' Lauri in order to get him to accept sticking around through rebuild and 'sit out a month with a vague back injury' years.

There's several teams where he'd be a valuable and good fitting addition but is awkwardly expensive for. IMO at $10M/yr less his trade value is a lot higher.

[penbeast0]

If Holland and Auser don't give enough outside shooting to play together, the move should probably include Holland rather than Ivey. That would bring down the # of 1sts drastically so the Pistons can get cheap depth with those cost controlled picks when they have to pay all their young guys.

[tmorgan]

I continue to believe (really, just hope) that Langdon values Holland appropriately. He’s the only potential two-way impact guy on the whole roster. Ausar can’t shoot, Ivey and Duren’s defensive instincts are terrible, Stew is limited on offense, and Cade isn’t going to have the energy to play good defense every night, though he’s looking capable now. Holland is it. Already a good finisher and wing defender, he’s just a solid and consistent jumper away from the most well-rounded guy on the team. It looks fine. It WAS fine this summer.

So no to all Holland offers unless something BIG is brewing.

[Bentley1225]

Perhaps 3 1sts is too high objectively speaking but there wont be too many 4s available given the scarcity and need for Pistonz. Harris is still a viable starter and the 2026 1st should likely be the in the 20s. Perhaps they lotttery protect the 2030 pick or flip Ivey for 2 2nds and include 2 1sts + 2 2nds along with Harris, Klintman and whatever expriricing contract for a 3rd team in dealing Ivey.

Ivey to Team X
Markannen to Pistons
Harris + $10 million expiring deal from Team X + Klintman + 2026/2028 1sts + 2 2nds from Team X

[Daddy 801]

Perhaps 3 1sts is too high objectively speaking but there wont be too many 4s available given the scarcity and need for Pistonz. Harris is still a viable starter and the 2026 1st should likely be the in the 20s. Perhaps they lotttery protect the 2030 pick or flip Ivey for 2 2nds and include 2 1sts + 2 2nds along with Harris, Klintman and whatever expriricing contract for a 3rd team in dealing Ivey.

Ivey to Team X
Markannen to Pistons
Harris + $10 million expiring deal from Team X + Klintman + 2026/2028 1sts + 2 2nds from Team X

The whole point of trading Lauri would be the chance at a high pick in the future. If a team sends protected picks it’s not worth trading him for. Utah has enough picks that will most likely be mid to late first round picks that the last thing they need is to have more picks from a team that is most likely a top eastern playoff team for years to come.

[fanforlife]

The original proposal was way too much for Lauri given his salary and the fact he had a down year last year. I just don't see the Pistons trading one of their young core until they see what they really have. Why sell Ivey low at this point? The Pistons may be more inclined to improve their roster at the deadline depending on how the first half goes and their young players perform. The Psitons do need more size which Lauri provides in addition to outside shooting. But he isn't known for his defense.

[Canadafan]

The original proposal was way too much for Lauri given his salary and the fact he had a down year last year. I just don't see the Pistons trading one of their young core until they see what they really have. Why sell Ivey low at this point? The Pistons may be more inclined to improve their roster at the deadline depending on how the first half goes and their young players perform. The Psitons do need more size which Lauri provides in addition to outside shooting. But he isn't known for his defense.

Yes exactly. Keep our youth.
We have the $14TPE available so maybe we use that later in the season to give us another big. Especially if an injury occurs.
If Beasley comes back we barely have enough minutes for him

[Xman]

I realize Utah would like unprotected picks.
But, I do not think Detroit should send any picks unprotected. Especially three of them or so far into the future.
First, Detroit is an injury to Cade from being top 4 again. Second, if Markky flops (I think unlikely but current trend), clearly not worth it and Detroit will be fringe lottery for years with that contract.
So, I would make all three firsts - "top 8 protected becomes 2 seconds"

[theBigLip]

The original proposal was way too much for Lauri given his salary and the fact he had a down year last year. I just don't see the Pistons trading one of their young core until they see what they really have. Why sell Ivey low at this point? The Pistons may be more inclined to improve their roster at the deadline depending on how the first half goes and their young players perform. The Psitons do need more size which Lauri provides in addition to outside shooting. But he isn't known for his defense.

Yes exactly. Keep our youth.
We have the $14TPE available so maybe we use that later in the season to give us another big. Especially if an injury occurs.
If Beasley comes back we barely have enough minutes for him

Pistons are totally setup for an in season trade with that TPE and open roster spot. And (I think) Levert and Robinson can be included in a trade after Dec 15, so there should be some good options.