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Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1321 » by AFM » Mon Sep 8, 2025 11:11 am

closg00 wrote:
popper wrote:
AFM wrote:
Doesn’t matter. Liberals are pro baby murder so Trump could rape 1000 living kids, and that still wouldn’t be as bad.


I'm curious and possibly misinformed. I haven't seen any evidence that Trump raped anyone, much less a kid. Please explain.


Trump is to alleged to have raped 13 y/o when he was best friends with Epstein, it went as -far as depositions and court filing, but the alleged victim withdrew after death threats and goons following her etc. I find her testimony credible as it came out in 2016, she dared go up against the Trump destruction machine.


He wasn't asking in good faith. More of a, "ummm, do you have PROOF of this??? didn't think so!!!" type question, aka another MAGA cultist defending a pedo.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1322 » by daoneandonly » Mon Sep 8, 2025 11:51 am

Zonkerbl wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:My daughter isn't selfish enough (even as a child herself now) to have an abortion, so I know 100% she wouldn't when she becomes an adult.

When did I ever say I lived in DC? Never. You're still upset because you leaped to an incorrect assumption and want to blame me for some reason. Well, actually, the liberal reason is zero accountability; just put it on someone else, so at least you're consistent on that front. Multiple people just working or going to school in the Devi's City fall victim to crime, shows how much of a toilet that city is.

Trump, keep those troops coming and cover every inch of that cesspool with the National Guard, military, and more police. That's how tax dollars should eb spent, not on worthless services like planned parenthood or programs that only help a select few.


You must think I'm really stupid. I'm insulted. You condescendingly scolded me for not knowing you lived in dc, and then a page later did the same for assuming you did. I'm a native english speaker and I know what you said, gaslight me all you want

I feel bad for your daughter, you sound like a real control freak. you are actively making her life worse and you probably suck as a parent


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daoneandonly wrote:My daughter isn't selfish enough (even as a child herself now) to have an abortion, so I know 100% she wouldn't when she becomes an adult.

When did I ever say I lived in DC? Never. You're still upset because you leaped to an incorrect assumption and want to blame me for some reason. Well, actually, the liberal reason is zero accountability; just put it on someone else, so at least you're consistent on that front. Multiple people just working or going to school in the Devi's City fall victim to crime, shows how much of a toilet that city is.

Trump, keep those troops coming and cover every inch of that cesspool with the National Guard, military, and more police. That's how tax dollars should eb spent, not on worthless services like planned parenthood or programs that only help a select few.

For what it's worth, D1's original comment was, "I spent 9 years there between college and work," without claiming to have lived in DC. I say drop that non-issue and move on to more substantive Rock 'em Sock ' em.


All that needs to be said, thanks, Monte.

Just so immature. You mention your daughter suffering from PTSD from a middle school incident, I'm assuming bullying, which is terrible for any person to go through, and I do hope she overcomes it, and you are an adult bully who does that crap to others. But the word of the day is empathy, so I'll extend that over.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1323 » by daoneandonly » Mon Sep 8, 2025 11:53 am

payitforward wrote:On top of which, he has the nerve to quote Deuteronomy in his signature.

What an ugly human being you are, daoneandonly -- a real creep.
You disgust me.

Oh & how you doing on the beatitudes? Uh huh... just as I thought.

Why don't you just go away....


Thanks, very classy. The Deuteronomy reference actually supports my stance on the sanctity of life, so I wont quite get the anger. But while not a beatitude, a command I have sinfully neglected is if someone slaps you on one cheek, give them the other. So feel free to carry on if it helps you feel betetr.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1324 » by montestewart » Mon Sep 8, 2025 12:22 pm

popper wrote:
popper wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:
the epstein files contain evidence of powerful people, presumably including the likes of Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Trump, flying out of the country to have sex with minors. refusing to release the epstein files is keeping that evidence from you.

trump raped E Jean Carroll.

there are dozens of stories, including those of Trump's own admission, of him sexually assaulting many women. pressuring them into sex, groping them, grabbing pussies, and even just walking into the changing rooms of beauty pageants.

that doesn't even include the dozens of instances of his own sexual infidelity, which seems quaint on the moral spectrum at this point, but not too long ago would have been shocking news. Clinton gets a bj in the oval office and he's impeached and labelled a sexual predator for life. Trump has done much more, and much worse, and yet there thousands of homes across the country have oil paintings of jesus looking over his shoulder at the resolute desk. doesn't make much sense to me.


Trump raped Carroll? I'm aware that 24 years after the alleged incident, and coaxed by Trump hater George Conway and financed by Trump hater Reid Hoffman, sued Trump in civil court but it wasn't for rape. It's very strange that she waited decades (and only when there was a political and financial incentive) to disclose and seek redress for it.


PS - It's worth noting that at the time Trump had a hot thirty something wife. Carroll was a mentally challenged old hag.

It's also worth noting that Trump routinely dismisses women who challenge him as ugly and mentally deficient.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1325 » by popper » Mon Sep 8, 2025 12:26 pm

closg00 wrote:
popper wrote:
AFM wrote:
Doesn’t matter. Liberals are pro baby murder so Trump could rape 1000 living kids, and that still wouldn’t be as bad.


I'm curious and possibly misinformed. I haven't seen any evidence that Trump raped anyone, much less a kid. Please explain.


Trump is to alleged to have raped 13 y/o when he was best friends with Epstein, it went as -far as depositions and court filing, but the alleged victim withdrew after death threats and goons following her etc. I find her testimony credible as it came out in 2016, she dared go up against the Trump destruction machine.


Thanks Closg00. I had not seen that before.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1326 » by popper » Mon Sep 8, 2025 12:32 pm

AFM wrote:
closg00 wrote:
popper wrote:
I'm curious and possibly misinformed. I haven't seen any evidence that Trump raped anyone, much less a kid. Please explain.


Trump is to alleged to have raped 13 y/o when he was best friends with Epstein, it went as -far as depositions and court filing, but the alleged victim withdrew after death threats and goons following her etc. I find her testimony credible as it came out in 2016, she dared go up against the Trump destruction machine.


He wasn't asking in good faith. More of a, "ummm, do you have PROOF of this??? didn't think so!!!" type question, aka another MAGA cultist defending a pedo.


On the contrary, I was asking in good faith. I've read here several times over the last two weeks Trump labeled as paedophile and wanted to know why.

Edit - I've posted here numerous times beginning in 2016 that I thought Trump was a buffoon. Not sure how that equates to a MAGA cultist.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1327 » by popper » Mon Sep 8, 2025 12:41 pm

montestewart wrote:
popper wrote:
popper wrote:
Trump raped Carroll? I'm aware that 24 years after the alleged incident, and coaxed by Trump hater George Conway and financed by Trump hater Reid Hoffman, sued Trump in civil court but it wasn't for rape. It's very strange that she waited decades (and only when there was a political and financial incentive) to disclose and seek redress for it.


PS - It's worth noting that at the time Trump had a hot thirty something wife. Carroll was a mentally challenged old hag.

It's also worth noting that Trump routinely dismisses women who challenge him as ugly and mentally deficient.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1328 » by AFM » Mon Sep 8, 2025 12:41 pm

popper wrote:
AFM wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Trump is to alleged to have raped 13 y/o when he was best friends with Epstein, it went as -far as depositions and court filing, but the alleged victim withdrew after death threats and goons following her etc. I find her testimony credible as it came out in 2016, she dared go up against the Trump destruction machine.


He wasn't asking in good faith. More of a, "ummm, do you have PROOF of this??? didn't think so!!!" type question, aka another MAGA cultist defending a pedo.


On the contrary, I was asking in good faith. I've read here several times over the last two weeks Trump labeled as paedophile and wanted to know why.


If so, my bad.
I’m sure you’ve noticed in the past few months Trump himself has pivoted from “there is no list” to “there’s a list but I’m not on it” to “the list is a democrat hoax!” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what’s going on here.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1329 » by dobrojim » Mon Sep 8, 2025 2:15 pm

Adjudicated rapist. But if you're a Golfy fan, you
must, there is no other choice, dismiss this despite
all the other indications and admissions of out of
control sexual behavior. If he was not the political
leader you liked, you wouldn't struggle to admit
this to yourself or others. Because he is the guy
so many like, disbelief is orthodoxy.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1330 » by dobrojim » Mon Sep 8, 2025 2:35 pm

AFM wrote:[snip]

If so, my bad.
I’m sure you’ve noticed in the past few months Trump himself has pivoted from “there is no list” to “there’s a list but I’m not on it” to “the list is a democrat hoax!” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what’s going on here.


There /is/ another list, publicly known, of women,
more than 20 IIRC, who have made accusations.

I know this has been and will continue to be dismissed
as opportunistic women seeking to cash in. In the
absence of any other evidence, this would be
defensible. But there is a long history of other
reports that suggests it might ought to be taken
more seriously.

The Epstein story didn't materialize in a vacuum.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1331 » by dckingsfan » Mon Sep 8, 2025 3:23 pm

Its funny to me when the MAGA/Conservative/Libertarian/Independent try to defend Trump with "where is the absolute proof" but ignore the debt load that the Rs have put on our balance sheet and ignore the damage to our foreign policy.

And they can't even see that Trump is just crushing our economy right now. I guess that is why they were able to vote for Bush twice and Trump three times. Willful ignorance is bliss.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1332 » by popper » Mon Sep 8, 2025 3:46 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Its funny to me when the MAGA/Conservative/Libertarian/Independent try to defend Trump with "where is the absolute proof" but ignore the debt load that the Rs have put on our balance sheet and ignore the damage to our foreign policy.

And they can't even see that Trump is just crushing our economy right now. I guess that is why they were able to vote for Bush twice and Trump three times. Willful ignorance is bliss.


I'm happy to acknowledge that our debt load and balance sheet are economically harmful and
unsustainable. R's deserve a ton of blame for that.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1333 » by AFM » Mon Sep 8, 2025 4:13 pm

Here’s an article from the latest Economist



Gone missing
IF A SINGLE political idea has tied Americans together over their first quarter of a millennium, it is that one-person rule is a mistake. Most Americans also agree that the federal government is slow and incompetent. Together, these things ought to make it impossible for one man to govern by diktat from the White House. And yet that is what this president is doing: sending in the troops, slapping on tariffs, asserting control over the central bank, taking stakes in companies, scaring citizens into submission.

The effect is overwhelming, but not popular. President Donald Trump’s net approval rating is minus 14 percentage points. That is little better than Joe Biden’s after his dire debate last year, and no one fretted that he was over-mighty. This is a puzzle. Most Americans disapprove of Mr Trump. Yet everywhere he seems to be getting his way. Why?
One answer is that he moves much faster than the lumbering forces that constrain him. He is like the TikTok algorithm, grabbing attention and moving on to the next thing before his opponents have worked out what just happened. The Supreme Court has yet even to consider whether deploying troops to Los Angeles in June was lawful. While the justices take their time, the president may soon use the same routine in Chicago. The court may not rule on the legality of his tariffs for months. So far the president has obeyed Supreme Court rulings, but if one legal avenue is closed he will try another and the clock resets.

Another answer is that the Republican Party always lets him have his way. It is not just that he dominates it, with an approval rating among Republicans of almost 90%. It is that the party’s organising idea is that Mr Trump is always right, even when he contradicts himself. Policy debates have turned into theological disputation in which sides fight over the real meaning of his words.
Independent institutions—companies, universities or news organisations—might oppose him. But they suffer from a coordination problem. This is much easier to point out than to fix, because organisations that compete with each other would have to collaborate. What is bad for Harvard may not be bad for its rivals. If a single law firm can be picked off, its business may go to a competitor.
Behind all these lurks the ugly reality of Mr Trump’s vindictiveness and intimidation. Previous presidents were influenced by independent-minded experts and the cabinet. The new definition of an expert in the Oval Office is someone who agrees with the boss. Bearers of bad news are sacked; awkward Republicans primaried; business leaders punished; opponents investigated. For each, the rational response is to apologise, settle and hope that someone else will do the right thing. Having seen what that entails, someone else may prefer a quiet life.

Politically, therefore, the main task of opposition falls to the Democrats. They are, to put it kindly, confused. Should they fight Mr Trump with ALL CAPS posts, as Gavin Newsom is doing? Is it all about mastering curated authenticity, like Zohran Mamdani? Do they move left? Do they occupy the centre? Is the problem merely one of messaging that can be fixed if only activists would stop calling women “birthing people”? The fact that Democrats can neither constrain Mr Trump nor even communicate clearly leaves their base angry (see Briefing). Mr Trump’s ratings are low, but he is more popular than the Democratic Party—not because Republicans and independents disapprove of it (though they do), but because Democrats disapprove of themselves.

In the short run the self-loathing may be overdone. The midterms are a year away. In ten of the 12 elections for the House of Representatives this century, voters have turned against the party that holds the presidency. Gerrymandering, which will reduce the number of competitive seats in the House from few to almost none, means that even a president this unpopular is unlikely to suffer a landslide defeat in 2026. But a Democratic House with subpoena power would provide a crucial check on presidential corruption and incompetence.
In the long run, though, that looks like false comfort. The Democratic brand is damaged. Democrats are more trusted by the electorate on health care, the environment and democracy. But on many issues voters care about, including crime and immigration, they prefer Republicans. In the 2024 election Kamala Harris was seen as more extreme than Mr Trump. Saying the voters are wrong or sexist to think this way is not helpful.
Demography is no longer the Democrats’ friend. Under Mr Trump, Republicans have made progress with non-white and young voters. The Democrats have lost the white working class. Although the most educated voters like them, only 40% of Americans aged 25 or over have a college degree. These changes mean the story Democrats have long told themselves—that they represented the real majority in America, but Republican machinations kept them out of power—is no longer true, if it ever was. Now they benefit from a lower turnout.
Ten years into the Trump era, Democrats are still underestimating him. His skill in setting traps for them is extraordinary. Take the looming vote in Congress on raising the federal debt ceiling: Democrats will have to choose between more cuts to foreign aid and shutting the government. Or take sending troops into cities, supposedly to fight crime. Democrats decry executive overreach; Mr Trump places them on the side of criminals and danger. Or take drone strikes on alleged drug-smugglers. It is hard to oppose the lack of any due process without sounding like a defender of violent gangs.

They alone can fix it

Democrats have choices about whether to walk into those traps. Lots of them think, rightly, that Mr Trump poses a danger to the country’s democratic values and conclude that this alone should make him toxic to most voters. Alas, it does not. Instead, the question Democrats need to keep asking themselves is this: why do voters think they are the extremists, rather than the guy trying to establish one-man rule

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1334 » by dckingsfan » Mon Sep 8, 2025 4:25 pm

popper wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Its funny to me when the MAGA/Conservative/Libertarian/Independent try to defend Trump with "where is the absolute proof" but ignore the debt load that the Rs have put on our balance sheet and ignore the damage to our foreign policy.

And they can't even see that Trump is just crushing our economy right now. I guess that is why they were able to vote for Bush twice and Trump three times. Willful ignorance is bliss.

I'm happy to acknowledge that our debt load and balance sheet are economically harmful and unsustainable. R's deserve a ton of blame for that.

:rofl: Nice try at the both sides argument - but it is way to weak.

Forever wars: $9T
Bush Tax Cuts: $5.6 trillion at that time they were responsible for roughly one-third of the federal debt owed by 2018.
Trump Tax Cuts: $2.3T (and that is if they weren't discontinued in '25), now $4T+
Trump BBB: $3T+
Covid Stimulus: $10.6T (Trump $5T)
Bush and Trump Stimuli: 1T

Repeatedly blocked tax increases on SS to make the program sustainable. The MAGA/Conservative/Libertarian/Independent group owns this - full stop. They are the spend but don't tax group - when Trump leaves office the debt with be 40T+. That is right, your group has put us 40T in the hole. Nicely done! We could have easily afforded Covid and our balance sheet would have looked terrific compared to other countries - but nooooo, we had to do the stupid tax cuts and not pay for any of the MAGA/Conservative/Libertarian/Independent spending.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1335 » by dobrojim » Mon Sep 8, 2025 4:29 pm

GOP lawmakers are deathly afraid of losing their seats by being primaried.
They appear to be more motivated to keep their jobs even if that means
they are not actually doing their jobs, but rather just following orders from on high.
And private ie non public campaign financing has skewed the scales.

I'd long believed that term limits were anti-small d democratic and a bad idea.
But the advantages of incumbency and the inattentiveness of voters makes me
wonder about that.

Many in the GOP are also in mortal fear of the brownshirts that serve their party's leadership.

PS addendum to DCK's post above - GOP orthodoxy is that the economy is stimulated by
investments from the elites or supply side economics. The theory sounds great but in
practice there has been scant evidence that this really works as well as demand side economics.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1336 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 8, 2025 5:44 pm

I think you have to be pretty deeply immersed in right wing media to the exclusion of almost everything else to think Trump is * not * in the Epstein files. Everything from comments about how sexy his daughter will be when she grows up. To stating if she wasn’t his daughter he’d date her. To bragging about walking into the dressing rooms of Miss Teen USA and that they have to let him because he bought the pageant. To him telling a child how pretty she is and to look him up in a few years. To Epstein pleading the 5th when asked specifically if he ever saw Trump with underage girls.

I think the clearest red flag though is that any time the files rise to the top of the news cycle he invades an American city. He’s unhinged enough that in order to avoid embarrassment he will take literally any act. Civil war. Canceling the citizenship of Rosie O’Donnell. Blowing up civilian boats with drone strikes. Changing the name of the DOD. Any sort of hand waving “hey look over here!” tactic he can think of. Crying ‘hoax’ when it could all go away by releasing the files. It’s not a hoax when Epstein and Maxwell were convicted by a preponderance of evidence that they in fact did run a sex trafficking ring for the rich and powerful. It’s not a hoax that Trump and Epstein were best of friends until a young pretty spa worker was hired away from mar a lago to work for Epstein. That’s it. That’s the thing that broke their friendship. That he took one of Trumps girls. ‘Stole’ her as if they were his personal property.

I assume all powerful people are flawed. Moral failings are probable. But that this man’s inclination is to destroy our country rather than be exposed and shamed makes his immorality malignant and dangerous. Clinton is not in office. But he didn’t invade Chicago just because he seduced an intern for a blowjob. Frankly the worst side effect of the act (with apologies to Monica) was that it lowered the bar for who we choose to elect and see as presidential. And let this current walking colostomy bag infest the White House.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1337 » by Dat2U » Mon Sep 8, 2025 5:56 pm

The discourse is terrible right. If Trump is public enemy #1, then Musk is #1a. X has become such a cesspool. They are literally pushing a race war narrative and I'm worried some gullible stupid people are going to eventually buy in.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1338 » by dobrojim » Mon Sep 8, 2025 6:21 pm

Sieg Heil

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1339 » by AFM » Mon Sep 8, 2025 7:44 pm

They just released Trump's birthday letter to Epstein:

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Hard to interpret this in any way that isn't disgusting.


"We have certain things in common, Jeffrey."

"Yes we do, come to think of it."

"Enigmas never age."

"May every day be another wonderful secret."

It's probably nothing though.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1340 » by montestewart » Mon Sep 8, 2025 7:52 pm

AFM wrote:They just released Trump's birthday letter to Epstein:

Image

Hard to interpret this in any way that isn't disgusting.


"We have certain things in common, Jeffrey."

"Yes we do, come to think of it."

"Enigmas never age."

"May every day be another wonderful secret."

It's probably nothing though.

Orange Man Bad, Trump Derangement Syndrome, FAKE NEWS!!!!

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