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[SalmonsSuperfan]

It's mental with Caleb he has to just sling it he scared to throw a pick the kid needs to relax


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I think that was true last season. Probably still true. But the guy has serious accuracy problems. There was some EZ pass to make that he just tossed over Odunze's head. Odunze probably should've caught it, but it should've just been an easy completion.

Honestly I think Caleb was having a pity party for himself. He began firing the ball in the general direction of receivers without conviction and rhythm out of frustration both because he’s uncomfortable playing how the Bears are asking him to play, and that it’s difficult for him. If half the things in the Dunne piece are accurate, kid has issues.

Oh god. I just read the "free preview" of it but it checks out. There were so many red flags with Caleb including his attitude which showed to the fans at multiple points. These things didn't exist with Jayden Daniels. Better athlete, better attitude, better college stats against better teams. I don't get how everyone got so hoodwinked.

I'm thinking about this occurrence: and the response was "Waldron is a goof and Caleb is locked in" but the guy is simply a diva with absolutely nothing to show for it.

[fleet]

If you can ignore the idiotic twitter page for a second, this has to be what keeps Ben up at night. NOT finding ways to spread the ball around fairly. If only..

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Here is what I don’t understand. Troy Aikman. Quarterback. He was saying through most of the game how good Caleb was doing well getting rid the ball. On RealGM, Bears fans were saying otherwise. This is RealGM calling a more accurate game than gold jacket Troy. Meanwhile, Caleb was being more Caleb than average. Troy, do better.

[fleet]

Colman Shelton could have done this a lot cheaper. But there was some analysis earlier in PS where Caleb made a mistake on adjusting a line call because he didn’t read the defense well pre snap. Sometimes, the quarterback has responsibility for protecting himself. The Vikings were getting Caleb to leave the pocket with middle pressure. Or disconnect from his receivers while evading.

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[Dominator83]

Ben isn't gonna put up with this for long. Bagent will be in there soon enough

[TheGOATRises007]

Colman Shelton could have done this a lot cheaper. But there was some analysis earlier in PS where Caleb made a mistake on adjusting a line call because he didn’t read the defense well pre snap. Sometimes, the quarterback has responsibility for protecting himself. The Vikings were getting Caleb to leave the pocket with middle pressure. Or disconnect from his receivers while evading.

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If Moore changes his route into a slant, it probably saves the play too as someone pointed in the replies.

Surely he sees the Vikings went cover zero/cover 1 and he just adjusts his route?

There seems to be a disconnect with the offense at times that's just amateurish.

[Charlesareed]

It's mental with Caleb he has to just sling it he scared to throw a pick the kid needs to relax


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I think that was true last season. Probably still true. But the guy has serious accuracy problems. There was some EZ pass to make that he just tossed over Odunze's head. Odunze probably should've caught it, but it should've just been an easy completion.

Honestly I think Caleb was having a pity party for himself. He began firing the ball in the general direction of receivers without conviction and rhythm out of frustration both because he’s uncomfortable playing how the Bears are asking him to play, and that it’s difficult for him. If half the things in the Dunne piece are accurate, kid has issues.

It’s the same pass JJ McCartney threw to Justin jefferson that he 2 missed and it was a easy catch Caleb over threw dj moore for what was a easy wide open touchdown that’s what ultimately lost the game

[Jeffster81]

I'm not investing in anther 4/5 win season. If the Bears don't show something by W4 then they can join the Bulls on my ignore list.

[Wingy]

Generational.

We’re gonna get a lot of comments that this is the first year under Ben Johnson, who will fix him. But if people really believe he wasn’t being taught the same basic quarterback principles by Waldron that Ben Johnson is, they’re nuts. If there’s still no discernible progress in the basic quarterback stuff after this next whole summer of teaching, then maybe coaching isn’t going to be the magic here. This is the same quarterback from USC. But we can’t ever blame players for failing.

The handling with kids gloves is over. The difference between Fields and Caleb is that Fields wanted to play within system but there was just a bum OC with bad pass catchers and a terrible OL so he HAD to play off script. Caleb LIVES off script so it's an uphill battle for him to play on time because it goes against everything that got him here.

He might not feel it yet, but the pressure is coming.

Surely said plenty of times, but as an outside, non-Bears fan observer: Damn!!!

This franchise has bent over backwards and twisted around in a pretzel on top of that to do everything to help Williams. Fields must feel like the Bears did him soooo dirty in comparison. If Caleb fails it’s 100% on him.

[Susan]

We’re gonna get a lot of comments that this is the first year under Ben Johnson, who will fix him. But if people really believe he wasn’t being taught the same basic quarterback principles by Waldron that Ben Johnson is, they’re nuts. If there’s still no discernible progress in the basic quarterback stuff after this next whole summer of teaching, then maybe coaching isn’t going to be the magic here. This is the same quarterback from USC. But we can’t ever blame players for failing.

The handling with kids gloves is over. The difference between Fields and Caleb is that Fields wanted to play within system but there was just a bum OC with bad pass catchers and a terrible OL so he HAD to play off script. Caleb LIVES off script so it's an uphill battle for him to play on time because it goes against everything that got him here.

He might not feel it yet, but the pressure is coming.

Surely said plenty of times, but as an outside, non-Bears fan observer: Damn!!!

This franchise has bent over backwards and twisted around in a pretzel on top of that to do everything to help Williams. Fields must feel like the Bears did him soooo dirty in comparison. If Caleb fails it’s 100% on him.

Fields has a NASTY OL, three competent running backs, a head coach that knows what he is (a freaking dude) and a mega talented WR who's been by his side since the day he walked into Columbus.

Justin gave this city his all and the GM threw him out like a piece of trash - he's got to feel crazy vindicated watching this game.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Talk about overreacting. This IS Justin Fields all over again. Caleb is what the people wanted. The problem with both qb’s here was not letting it rip. So here we go again. Lets cry about it all over again together now.

[sco]

The handling with kids gloves is over. The difference between Fields and Caleb is that Fields wanted to play within system but there was just a bum OC with bad pass catchers and a terrible OL so he HAD to play off script. Caleb LIVES off script so it's an uphill battle for him to play on time because it goes against everything that got him here.

He might not feel it yet, but the pressure is coming.

Surely said plenty of times, but as an outside, non-Bears fan observer: Damn!!!

This franchise has bent over backwards and twisted around in a pretzel on top of that to do everything to help Williams. Fields must feel like the Bears did him soooo dirty in comparison. If Caleb fails it’s 100% on him.

Fields has a NASTY OL, three competent running backs, a head coach that knows what he is (a freaking dude) and a mega talented WR who's been by his side since the day he walked into Columbus.

Justin gave this city his all and the GM threw him out like a piece of trash - he's got to feel crazy vindicated watching this game.

I get the point that both guys were CHI QB's, but IMO, neither guy is a top 15 NFL QB because neither is a particularly good passer. Having QB's who can scramble but not be great passers is akin to having a C in basketball who can shoot 3's but not protect or score at the rim.

[sco]

I will say that I thought the bears did better on both sides of the ball than I expected. What I did expect, that neither line was quite good enough to win, did happen. Our run game looks pretty weak. It would be easy to say we should have drafted a RB, but none of the rookie RB's looked elite week one either.

[fleet]

Talk about overreacting. This IS Justin Fields all over again. Caleb is what the people wanted. The problem with both qb’s here was not letting it rip. So here we go again. Let’s cry about it all over again together now.

Caleb can play or he can’t. But he’s suffering with questions that we’re not unknown to scouts. The Bears are the one team that should have not rolled the dice on processing and ball holding issues again. But they were in love evidently

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I think that was true last season. Probably still true. But the guy has serious accuracy problems. There was some EZ pass to make that he just tossed over Odunze's head. Odunze probably should've caught it, but it should've just been an easy completion.

Honestly I think Caleb was having a pity party for himself. He began firing the ball in the general direction of receivers without conviction and rhythm out of frustration both because he’s uncomfortable playing how the Bears are asking him to play, and that it’s difficult for him. If half the things in the Dunne piece are accurate, kid has issues.

It’s the same pass JJ McCartney threw to Justin jefferson that he 2 missed and it was a easy catch Caleb over threw dj moore for what was a easy wide open touchdown that’s what ultimately lost the game

We were down by 10 at that point. There's a lot more than just Caleb missing some throws that lost this game, dumb to just put it all on him.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Talk about overreacting. This IS Justin Fields all over again. Caleb is what the people wanted. The problem with both qb’s here was not letting it rip. So here we go again. Let’s cry about it all over again together now.

Caleb can play or he can’t. But he’s suffering with questions that we’re not unknown to scouts. The Bears are the one team that should have not rolled the dice on processing and ball holding issues again. But they were in love evidently

Yup and I even said before we drafted him is that we are going down the Justin Fields road again. I was a haul guy btw. But I'm not going to overreact and act like I know this will not work out. I'll give it some time, he shows flashes of being a better passer.

Other parts to this team need to be better. We need some sort of running game. We need our special teams to be better. We need less penalties. They really are drive killers. It was an all around team loss. Would it have been nice to have Caleb carry us on his shoulders? Hell yeah. Hopefully that day does come.

[dougthonus]

Fields has a NASTY OL, three competent running backs, a head coach that knows what he is (a freaking dude) and a mega talented WR who's been by his side since the day he walked into Columbus.

Justin gave this city his all and the GM threw him out like a piece of trash - he's got to feel crazy vindicated watching this game.

I rather doubt that Justin Fields feels vindicated by having a good game in his 5th year when his team lost. If he does, that would be some pretty big time loser energy, but I think more highly of Fields than that, I'd bet he's pissed that his team lost and isn't thinking about the Bears at all.

[dougthonus]

We were down by 10 at that point. There's a lot more than just Caleb missing some throws that lost this game, dumb to just put it all on him.

If we had league average QB play last night we win that game easily. While it isn't necessarily the "only" reason we lost. He is probably the only player that if he played at league average for his position that it would have changed the outcome for the game. Like the impact of all the other mistakes combined was about the same as Caleb's problems alone.

Generally, he had really good protection, but he couldn't get the ball out in time, when he escaped he continued to run backwards, and too frequently when he escapes he does not get himself back into position to throw afterwards. His passes were widely inaccurate, I said to my friends in the first half when he was 10/10 that he looked bad out there, and all of them were ripping on me, and I said all his passes are short, but also off the mark, if he was throwing accurate balls, he'd have shredded the defense. That inaccuracy then came back to bite him big time in the 2nd half.

Hope he turns it around in the future.

[Wingy]

Fields has a NASTY OL, three competent running backs, a head coach that knows what he is (a freaking dude) and a mega talented WR who's been by his side since the day he walked into Columbus.

Justin gave this city his all and the GM threw him out like a piece of trash - he's got to feel crazy vindicated watching this game.

Yup, and I don’t mean to cry the guy a river. I hope he gets a real shot with NY. Any human in his situation would look at the Bears’s Caleb support and go “Really?!? WTF!?!?!”

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

We were down by 10 at that point. There's a lot more than just Caleb missing some throws that lost this game, dumb to just put it all on him.

If we had league average QB play last night we win that game easily. While it isn't necessarily the "only" reason we lost. He is probably the only player that if he played at league average for his position that it would have changed the outcome for the game. Like the impact of all the other mistakes combined was about the same as Caleb's problems alone.

Generally, he had really good protection, but he couldn't get the ball out in time, when he escaped he continued to run backwards, and too frequently when he escapes he does not get himself back into position to throw afterwards. His passes were widely inaccurate, I said to my friends in the first half when he was 10/10 that he looked bad out there, and all of them were ripping on me, and I said all his passes are short, but also off the mark, if he was throwing accurate balls, he'd have shredded the defense. That inaccuracy then came back to bite him big time in the 2nd half.

Hope he turns it around in the future.

Well I disagree, his passing numbers look very average but he did get some above average running stats. When we were dominating in the first half he was contributing to that. He started the game 10 for 10. When we fell apart in the 2nd half, he was also contributing to that. But it wasn't just him. He wasn't the sole reason for Minnesota to just start dominating EVERY FACET OF THE GAME. We couldn't run the ball and all of a sudden our defense couldn't stop the run. An above average QB performance might have pulled it off but there were so many other miscues that you can't put it all on the QB.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

We were down by 10 at that point. There's a lot more than just Caleb missing some throws that lost this game, dumb to just put it all on him.

If we had league average QB play last night we win that game easily. While it isn't necessarily the "only" reason we lost. He is probably the only player that if he played at league average for his position that it would have changed the outcome for the game. Like the impact of all the other mistakes combined was about the same as Caleb's problems alone.

Generally, he had really good protection, but he couldn't get the ball out in time, when he escaped he continued to run backwards, and too frequently when he escapes he does not get himself back into position to throw afterwards. His passes were widely inaccurate, I said to my friends in the first half when he was 10/10 that he looked bad out there, and all of them were ripping on me, and I said all his passes are short, but also off the mark, if he was throwing accurate balls, he'd have shredded the defense. That inaccuracy then came back to bite him big time in the 2nd half.

Hope he turns it around in the future.

Caleb’s game was above league average, he was 13th in QBR. 270 total yards, 2 touchdowns and no turnovers.

He had some atrocious moments in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, but the game as a whole was perfectly fine. We just harp on the negatives of the QB in a loss because it’s easy.

The same problems we all knew about prior to game 1 costed us. A very poor running back room, a very poor defensive line, a very poor kicker, and an average QB, and probably missed 3 of our top 4 defensive players against a 13 win team wasn’t good enough. And really got awful breaks from the refs.