Bears 12.0

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1661 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 1:48 pm

Lets not forget, this Vikings defense is a top defense and they showed it after the first quarter. We should have taken those 3 points and been happy with it. Refs did us no favors either, I hate to use that as an excuse but the outcome could have been different for the penalties on both sides of the ball.

patryk7754 · Post #1662 » by **patryk7754** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 1:55 pm

I think all of the problems Williams has steams from having too much anxiety in the pocket. Backpedals when he should step up. Steps up when he should be backpedaling of left to right. Or just jittery feet for no reason. This leads to hesitation to throw the ball and being way too risk averse. Or inaccurate throws. We saw it last season. Flashed way too much yesterday. Until it slows down for him, I think it’s safe to expect all these peaks and valleys in his play from drive to drive. The really good news though, Johnson isn’t going to put him in a position that magnifies his faults. The offense didn’t look too complicated yesterday. Offensively, it looks like our main issues are Caleb’s anxiety and presnap issues as a whole. But that should improve as the season goes and and the players get used to Johnson and his offense

patryk7754 · Post #1663 » by **patryk7754** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 1:57 pm

Jackson had a bad day but he flashed his ability. I’ll look at the bright side and say he’s just rusty. The oline I think pretty good overall. Had some issues picking up blitz but nothing too terrible. Worst part was presnap thing, imo. Overall I was impressed with the play of the oline. The best thing may be that the biggest question mark (Braxton jones) played well from what I noticed.

Almost Retired · Post #1664 » by **Almost Retired** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 1:58 pm

A few times when the cameras looked at Ben Johnson in the 2nd half you could tell he was perturbed at Celeb's inability to see receivers open downfield. I know it's only one game and only his second season but I'm really getting worried that we bet on the wrong QB in the 2024 Draft. I was hoping we were getting Mahomes 2.0. It sure doesn't look like that right now. He's inaccurate too often and doesn't track his downfield receivers. And in next year's draft I don't think we need to go EDGE or LT in Round One. We need a big, strong RB that isn't in street clothes for 10 games a season. Roschon Johnson will not get another contract in Chicago, much like Tevin Jenkins. Some guys just can't stay healthy for whatever reason. And I don't see Ben and Poles keeping Swift after this year either. We have to be able to run the ball. And using DJ Moore as some type of Debo Sweeney RB/WR ain't woking either.

NZB2323 · Post #1665 » by **NZB2323** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 2:14 pm

Caleb isn’t the worst QB in the league. Our secondary was injured, we had a lot of injuries, and our offense should get better as the year goes on.

But man, it is frustrating that he didn’t play better, given all the hype, cockiness, and how QBs taken after him have outplayed him. Didn’t throw to guys when they were wide open, some throws to no one, the intention grounding, ect. Who is the guy on here who was saying we shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb when we were discussing the value of trading the 1st pick?

Susan · Post #1666 » by **Susan** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 2:28 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Susan wrote:Fields has a NASTY OL, three competent running backs, a head coach that knows what he is (a freaking dude) and a mega talented WR who's been by his side since the day he walked into Columbus.

Justin gave this city his all and the GM threw him out like a piece of trash - he's got to feel crazy vindicated watching this game.

I rather doubt that Justin Fields feels vindicated by having a good game in his 5th year when his team lost. If he does, that would be some pretty big time loser energy, but I think more highly of Fields than that, I'd bet he's pissed that his team lost and isn't thinking about the Bears at all.

The real loser is the dude wearing purple and yellow earrings when facing the Vikings.

Susan · Post #1667 » by **Susan** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 2:36 pm

Read on Twitter

Not good.

Dresden · Post #1668 » by **Dresden** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:00 pm

Man it's tough being a Chicago sports fan sometimes. We don't have a single team that is championship caliber.

Post #1669 » by **fleet** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:38 pm

patryk7754 wrote:I think all of the problems Williams has steams from having too much anxiety in the pocket. Backpedals when he should step up. Steps up when he should be backpedaling of left to right. Or just jittery feet for no reason. This leads to hesitation to throw the ball and being way too risk averse. Or inaccurate throws. We saw it last season. Flashed way too much yesterday. Until it slows down for him, I think it’s safe to expect all these peaks and valleys in his play from drive to drive. The really good news though, Johnson isn’t going to put him in a position that magnifies his faults. The offense didn’t look too complicated yesterday. Offensively, it looks like our main issues are Caleb’s anxiety and presnap issues as a whole. But that should improve as the season goes and and the players get used to Johnson and his offense

Other than the hesitation to throw from the pocket, on top of it is he can’t move and stay connected to receivers. When he stays in the pocket, he doesn’t understand how to slide. He’ll pick a spot to throw, and half the time he’s getting his arm hit on the follow through. Or he’s throwing over a defender in his face. He can’t get himself space for his throws other than ejections from the pocket. Probably why he does it so much. Inability to slide around and stay connected to receivers simultaneously

NZB2323 · Post #1670 » by **NZB2323** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:47 pm

It’s not over for Caleb, but it’s frustrating. I found the post from the guy who told us we shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb.

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
It’s funny watching Love, a borderline top 10 QB, shred a top 10 defense without his number 1 receiver, and then think “who needs to upgrade a bottom 10 QB, we need more depth and more average players!”

Y’all shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb Williams. Switch teams to wherever Justin goes after you’re done rooting for Mitch Trubisky.

nitetrain8603 · Post #1671 » by **nitetrain8603** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:47 pm

TheGOATRises007 wrote:
fleet wrote:Colman Shelton could have done this a lot cheaper. But there was some analysis earlier in PS where Caleb made a mistake on adjusting a line call because he didn’t read the defense well pre snap. Sometimes, the quarterback has responsibility for protecting himself. The Vikings were getting Caleb to leave the pocket with middle pressure. Or disconnect from his receivers while evading.

Read on Twitter

If Moore changes his route into a slant, it probably saves the play too as someone pointed in the replies.

Surely he sees the Vikings went cover zero/cover 1 and he just adjusts his route?

There seems to be a disconnect with the offense at times that's just amateurish.

That's not Moore's decision to make. If the play is broken (Moore ran his route, play is still ongoing, then he can freelance it).

One of the things I've heard quite a bit and it picked up a bit over the summer is that Caleb is bad at pre-snap reads. Like real bad.

nitetrain8603 · Post #1672 » by **nitetrain8603** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:54 pm

Chi town wrote:Cairo sells twice.

Missed FG and can’t even kick the ball through the end zone to keep time on the clock.

You can’t even make this stuff up

And didn't they make him a captain? The players that is. Ooof. He should've been cut here last year.

Dresden · Post #1673 » by **Dresden** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:56 pm

This is a make or break year for Caleb, that's for sure. I was all for making it an open competition at QB with Bagent- let the best man win. Caleb just doesn't seem to be able to see guys open. I listened to the game on radio, and Kurt Warner said several times "I thought Caleb could have made a throw there (downfield", or "I thought he had a guy open there, but he chose not to take it".

If it's going to go on like this all season, they have to find another QB.

Susan · Post #1674 » by **Susan** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:57 pm

NZB2323 wrote:It’s not over for Caleb, but it’s frustrating. I found the post from the guy who told us we shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb.

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
It’s funny watching Love, a borderline top 10 QB, shred a top 10 defense without his number 1 receiver, and then think “who needs to upgrade a bottom 10 QB, we need more depth and more average players!”

Y’all shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb Williams. Switch teams to wherever Justin goes after you’re done rooting for Mitch Trubisky.

I bought two Jets jerseys last week, personally I'm just not here for rooting for Black Matt Millen and Johnny Manziel's darker cousin. I want them to do well but I just see a poorly configured roster with all hype and no substance and it's a painful waste of time.

The team will be better with Bagent, Caleb just creates too many issues for himself.

Dresden · Post #1675 » by **Dresden** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 3:58 pm

nitetrain8603 wrote:
Chi town wrote:Cairo sells twice.

Missed FG and can’t even kick the ball through the end zone to keep time on the clock.

You can’t even make this stuff up

And didn't they make him a captain? The players that is. Ooof. He should've been cut here last year.

This has to be the last season for Cairo. Other teams, kicking a 50 yarder is like an extra point. With the Bears, it's a 50/50 chance.

Dresden · Post #1676 » by **Dresden** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 4:04 pm

At one point in the 3rd quarter, we had a 91% chance of winning. They don't know the Bears.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1677 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 4:07 pm

Susan wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:It’s not over for Caleb, but it’s frustrating. I found the post from the guy who told us we shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb.

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
It’s funny watching Love, a borderline top 10 QB, shred a top 10 defense without his number 1 receiver, and then think “who needs to upgrade a bottom 10 QB, we need more depth and more average players!”

Y’all shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb Williams. Switch teams to wherever Justin goes after you’re done rooting for Mitch Trubisky.

I bought two Jets jerseys last week, personally I'm just not here for rooting for Black Matt Millen and Johnny Manziel's darker cousin. I want them to do well but I just see a poorly configured roster with all hype and no substance and it's a painful waste of time.

The team will be better with Bagent, Caleb just creates too many issues for himself.

Well we don't need Jets fans in here trolling us :roll:

Dresden · Post #1678 » by **Dresden** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 4:07 pm

The silver lining in all of this is (IMO), is that we do have a good team, aside from the QB. Yes, we need some more work on both lines, but we aren't that far away talent wise. We can find another QB- look at Geno Smith or Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield, how well they've done when people thought they were washed up. And maybe it's even Bagent. But it's got be someone other than Caleb if he continues to play this poorly. He's holding the team back.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #1679 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 4:26 pm

NZB2323 wrote:It’s not over for Caleb, but it’s frustrating. I found the post from the guy who told us we shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb.

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
It’s funny watching Love, a borderline top 10 QB, shred a top 10 defense without his number 1 receiver, and then think “who needs to upgrade a bottom 10 QB, we need more depth and more average players!”

Y’all shouldn’t be allowed to root for Caleb Williams. Switch teams to wherever Justin goes after you’re done rooting for Mitch Trubisky.

So you think holding on to Mitch or Justin was the move?

Fl_Flash · Post #1680 » by **Fl_Flash** » Tue Sep 9, 2025 4:44 pm

That was a frustrating game to watch...
I think the issue with Williams is that if his pre-snap "read" (read - "guess") isn't correct; he doesn't know where to go with the ball as he's not sure where his receivers are supposed to be. That's why he holds onto the ball and then starts running around for his life - he doesn't know what else to do because the reality of the play doesn't match what he thought it was going to be.

Those few times where he stayed in the pocket and delivered a nice, sharp pass on time were those plays where he guessed the defense correctly and knew where to go with the ball. He had some really nice throws sprinkled around a lot of "WTF are you doing?" plays. I suspect that he's never really been properly coached on how to diagnose a defense and that he's gotten by on his immense talent and lesser competition. That won't fly in the NFL.

I think he can learn if he wants it. I just don't know how much tutoring he needs and how quickly he can absorb and apply the info. Perhaps he's going to be like a Geno Smith or a Baker Mayfield - guys who were more athletes than quarterbacks but figured it out over time. Question is how patient are the Bears going to be with Caleb?

The other problem is one that is persisting from year to year - way too many penalties and just stupid plays. Hard to sustain a drive when you're looking at second and third and 20 (or more) yards. That's GOT to get cleaned up.

Minnesota didn't win - the Bears lost. That's been far too common a story over the last couple of years though. The Bears keep figuring out ways to lose.