Kuminga to SAC, is there a middle ground?

[gswhoops]

My latest attempt to try and get everyone something they want/need (JK signs a 3 year $69M deal starting at $24.4M and descending):

GSW out: JK, TJD
GSW in: Gafford, SAC protected 1st

SAC out: Monk, protected 1st, 2nd
SAC in: JK

DAL out: Gafford, Hardy, 2nd
DAL in: Monk, TJD

(random cap space team) out: top-55 protected 2nd round pick
(random cap space team) in: Hardy, 2 2nds

I like it for GS, probably most GS fans would. But I think Dallas has to send out more salary, they're taking back a little more than they're sending out. As a 1st Apron team they can't take back even $1 more.

Dallas has Prosper at $3M with a TO the following year or Powell as a $4M expiring and a need to clear a roster spot to sign Exum. If cash is enough to dump either guy, terrific. Prosper is a fake prospect and Powell is a perfect end of bench veteran making little more than a vet min. If it costs Dallas another 2nd, ugh.

But I'd do this as Dallas. Gonna suck 10 nights a year when neither Lively nor AD is available, but I like it forcing Kidd to employ AD as a center who starts each half as a PF. I think if Dallas has any chance of being competitive this year the AD at the 5 lineups are super key.

The original is only ~$600k off so it works if Dallas replaces Hardy with Powell + OMax

[SkyHook]

My latest attempt to try and get everyone something they want/need (JK signs a 3 year $69M deal starting at $24.4M and descending):

GSW out: JK, TJD
GSW in: Gafford, SAC protected 1st

SAC out: Monk, protected 1st, 2nd
SAC in: JK

DAL out: Gafford, Hardy, 2nd
DAL in: Monk, TJD

(random cap space team) out: top-55 protected 2nd round pick
(random cap space team) in: Hardy, 2 2nds

If Dallas is onboard, this seems like a fairly solid compromise deal.

[One_and_Done]

We'll have to agree to vehemently disagree here. Everything about Jabari screams mediocrity to me.

He can shoot 3s and provides some rim protection. Those are valuable skills, even if he's useless with the ball in his hand. Kuminga isn't really good at much of anything.

Shoot threes? Yes. Make threes? He's been close to league average but has never surpassed it. That's the very definition of mediocre. The Rockets should prioritize the superior Eason.

Eason and Jabari aren't mutually exclusive though. In fact Jabari's 3pt shooting helps enable guys like Eason, Amen, and Sengun to exist. Jabari shot over 35% on 5 threes a game, despite little spacing around him. He can shoot, and based on his form I feel fairly confident he will improve as a shooter.

Meanwhile Kuminga does nothing well.

[jayjaysee]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

[xdrta+]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

Kudos for skirting the BYC issues and contriving a trade that looks to be legal for all concerned. I like it for GS.

[sackings916]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

Like it for Sac

[Nate the Great]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

Kudos for skirting the BYC issues and contriving a trade that looks to be legal for all concerned. I like it for GS.

You realize that Kispert has to be paid for four seasons, does nothing well, and plays zero defense, right?

[xdrta+]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

Kudos for skirting the BYC issues and contriving a trade that looks to be legal for all concerned. I like it for GS.

You realize that Kispert has to be paid for four seasons, does nothing well, and plays zero defense, right?

Well, it's 3 seasons @ 13M. You'd rather have Kuminga at 20M?

[fluffhead]

Easily rather have Kuminga @20

[xdrta+]

Easily rather have Kuminga @20

Have you watched him play?

[longfellow44]

I actually like kispert as a piece for Golden State, he comes off the bench and spreads the floor, doesn't mess up your ability to sign guys and you keep, moody and held. Plus the kings still owe the protected pick here. Seems decent for the warriors.

Kings give up a little more value in trading derozan instead of monk, but the roster makes more sense with kuminga so it's worth it.

[Crazy-Canuck]

We did a lot of these but I’m trying one(..that was probably done itt)

Demar and Santos to Miami
Kuminga (say 25 first year, flat/front/backloaded up to you) and Branham to Sac
Rozier and Saric (into some TPE) to Washington
Kispert to GSW

The Saric for Branham swap is just to keep Sac under the tax and to get the matching needed for Rozier?

And fill out the picks?

Washington probably owed a couple seconds to turn Kispert into a useless expiring?

GSW owed a protected first?

Sac happily pays it? Miami maybe throws a second to turn Terry into Demar? Maybe not?

Wiggins instead of rozier and I'm down for gsw.

[NW]

Easily rather have Kuminga @20

Have you watched him play?

Probably irrelevant. Kuminga is just a $20+ mil salary filler in a trade for a bigger piece where the draw will be post Steph era draft capital, not him. Team that may end up taking Kuminga may only have interest in Kuminga the contract not Kuminga the player (which opens the door for the Suns or Kings to slide in as a third team in the trade to get him)

[Nate the Great]

Kudos for skirting the BYC issues and contriving a trade that looks to be legal for all concerned. I like it for GS.

You realize that Kispert has to be paid for four seasons, does nothing well, and plays zero defense, right?

Well, it's 3 seasons @ 13M. You'd rather have Kuminga at 20M?

Okay, I didn’t notice that the last season was a team option. Obviously the team won’t pick that up. But Kuminga is at least an athlete, he’d get some minutes. And it’s only for two seasons at the worst. You wouldn’t actually play Kispert, would you?

[hugepatsfan]

I think Kuminga is good enough to be an intriguing add to a team but not good enough to push yourselves for it. Push comes to shove, if GSW keeps pushing for more value then SAC (or any other team) simply walks away. Kuminga is an upside play, not a locked in piece you extend yourselves for.

[Sactowndog]

I think Kuminga is good enough to be an intriguing add to a team but not good enough to push yourselves for it. Push comes to shove, if GSW keeps pushing for more value then SAC (or any other team) simply walks away. Kuminga is an upside play, not a locked in piece you extend yourselves for.

Yeah I still think Kuminga signing the qualifying offer then walking is the most likely offer. Golden State over plays their hand and gets little to nothing for it.

[gswhoops]

I think Kuminga is good enough to be an intriguing add to a team but not good enough to push yourselves for it. Push comes to shove, if GSW keeps pushing for more value then SAC (or any other team) simply walks away. Kuminga is an upside play, not a locked in piece you extend yourselves for.

Yeah I still think Kuminga signing the qualifying offer then walking is the most likely offer. Golden State over plays their hand and gets little to nothing for it.

Not ideal to be sure, but I'm not going to lose a ton of sleep over missing out on Monk and a heavily protected 1st

[Texas Chuck]

Yes teams play shooters with size all the time. If Kuminga is playing team ball, maybe he would get minutes ahead of Kispert, but to date he's shown so little of that his coach benched him when the team was desperate for any size.

Coaches like players they can depend on, even with flaws because they can account for those weaknesses. What they hate are really talented players who could be difference makers but you have no idea what kind of effort or team play you will get.

Christian Wood is still good enough to put up 20/10 in this league on good efficiency. He's a legit offensive player and solid rebounder. But despite that, coach after coach after coach has said it would be better to play replacement level players over him. Dallas chose Dwight Powell and a refusing to shoot Maxi Kleber and started JaVale McGee over him. Lakers had no centers at all and still wouldn't play him.

Kuminga isn't a proven as Christian Wood. So yeah, Kerr would likely rather have Kispert despite your disdain or belief that the Warriors have no use for good shooters with size.

[NW]

I think Kuminga is good enough to be an intriguing add to a team but not good enough to push yourselves for it. Push comes to shove, if GSW keeps pushing for more value then SAC (or any other team) simply walks away. Kuminga is an upside play, not a locked in piece you extend yourselves for.

Yeah I still think Kuminga signing the qualifying offer then walking is the most likely offer. Golden State over plays their hand and gets little to nothing for it.

Not ideal to be sure, but I'm not going to lose a ton of sleep over missing out on Monk and a heavily protected 1st

There’s a decent argument that getting out of the tax and having the NTMLE is better than taking on Monk’s contract and a glorified 2nd rounder with a guaranteed contract considering where the Spurs will likely be.

Don’t think the Warriors are pushing for more value from the Lings or anyone else. They said sign and trade talks were over weeks ago. IMO, Kuminga as that $21+ mil salary filler was always the preferred outcome because it keeps Lacob’s Giannis/LeBron pipe dream alive.

[gswhoops]

Yes teams play shooters with size all the time. If Kuminga is playing team ball, maybe he would get minutes ahead of Kispert, but to date he's shown so little of that his coach benched him when the team was desperate for any size.

Coaches like players they can depend on, even with flaws because they can account for those weaknesses. What they hate are really talented players who could be difference makers but you have no idea what kind of effort or team play you will get.

Christian Wood is still good enough to put up 20/10 in this league on good efficiency. He's a legit offensive player and solid rebounder. But despite that, coach after coach after coach has said it would be better to play replacement level players over him. Dallas chose Dwight Powell and a refusing to shoot Maxi Kleber and started JaVale McGee over him. Lakers had no centers at all and still wouldn't play him.

Kuminga isn't a proven as Christian Wood. So yeah, Kerr would likely rather have Kispert despite your disdain or belief that the Warriors have no use for good shooters with size.

I don't get the Kispert hate at all. Maybe it's because I lived in DC for a couple years and have watched more than my fair share of Wizards games, but I'd take Kispert for Kuminga in a heartbeat (and easily over Monk and a pretend 1st)