Charlotte & Chicago

[ReggiesKnicks]

Charlotte Incoming: Patrick Williams
Charlotte Outgoing: Josh Green, Tidjane Salaun

Chicago Incoming: Josh Green, Tidjane Salaun
Chicago Outgoing: Patrick Williams

Charlotte bets on Patrick Williams becoming something meaningful and helping right now compared to Salaun/Green. He gives them another 3/4 to help balance the roster.

Chicago shaves a year or two off of Patrick Williams and takes a flier on (arguably) the worst player from the 1st round of the 2024 NBA Draft.

[Godaddycurse]

replace salaun with connaughton and it would be closer imo. chicago probably still owes some value though given the 35M or so they save

[HornetJail]

i would trade Green or Salaun for basically anything, but Patrick Williams is essentially a more expensive Green with two extra years tacked onto the contract, and therefore I'm out

[ReggiesKnicks]

replace salaun with connaughton and it would be closer imo. chicago probably still owes some value though given the 35M or so they save

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

[Godaddycurse]

replace salaun with connaughton and it would be closer imo. chicago probably still owes some value though given the 35M or so they save

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

[daoneandonly]

I dont see Cha doing this. Green is horrifically bad, but as subpar as Salun's rookie year was, he was just that, a rookie. Patrick Williams is massively overpaid.

[pipfan]

Green/PatC (into TPE)/Port pick for PWill seems fair

Chi shouldn't/wouldn't do it, but no way Salaun is included

The OP is terrible for Char (way too good for my Bulls)

[HornetJail]

replace salaun with connaughton and it would be closer imo. chicago probably still owes some value though given the 35M or so they save

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

i'd personally be surprised if Salaun was neutral value. if he was the 36th pick instead of the 6th, he would never have been converted off a two-way contract and would be back in France already. if he was cut tomorrow, I have my doubts he would receive a two-way contract from an NBA team

that said, there's no way Jeff Peterson cuts ties with his first ever draft pick so quickly

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls have
Giddey
Jones
White
Huerter
Dosunmu
Carter

why on God's Green Earth do they need another guard?
yes Salaun looks like a prospect, the Bulls have Buzelis as the face of the franchise and just drafted Noa Essengue, with Isaac Okoro and Julian Phillips around and if they keep Vucevic they might as well play Jalen Smith some at the 4

[ReggiesKnicks]

The Bulls have
Giddey
Jones
White
Huerter
Dosunmu
Carter

why on God's Green Earth do they need another guard?
yes Salaun looks like a prospect, the Bulls have Buzelis as the face of the franchise and just drafted Noa Essengue, with Isaac Okoro and Julian Phillips around and if they keep Vucevic they might as well play Jalen Smith some at the 4

Chicago doesn't need anyone.

Josh Green is a better defender than Giddey, White, and Jones. The reality is, none of these players are good at guarding the better 2's and 3's of the league. Green is a body where you are at least not dead to rights when defending those tiers of players.

Furthermore, the Bulls are shedding future salary commitments for a player who, by all accounts, hasn't shown meaningful improvement in 5 years. The most likely situation where Patrick Williams actually improves is in a city other than Chicago.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Green/PatC (into TPE)/Port pick for PWill seems fair

Chi shouldn't/wouldn't do it, but no way Salaun is included

The OP is terrible for Char (way too good for my Bulls)

Salaun is a negative value. Why wouldn't Charlotte include him?

[ReggiesKnicks]

replace salaun with connaughton and it would be closer imo. chicago probably still owes some value though given the 35M or so they save

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

I'm not going to argue about which fruit is more moldy, but Salaun is a worse basketball player, and the difference in salary is $3 million.

I actually don't think any team takes a flier on Salaun for free.

[jbk1234]

Green/PatC (into TPE)/Port pick for PWill seems fair

Chi shouldn't/wouldn't do it, but no way Salaun is included

The OP is terrible for Char (way too good for my Bulls)

Salaun is a negative value. Why wouldn't Charlotte include him?

Because some uber young rookies look really bad their rookie season and develop into something more. Some don't, but very few lottery picks don't have their options picked up their second season.

[zeebneeb]

Normally I would never recommend trading a high pick after his rookie year, but Salaun was comically bad. I still would wait, but there were games, that he clearly looked out of place on an NBA floor, like he got lost, and just wandered in off the street.

Besides that, Charlotte takes on a a terrible contract, and Chicago takes a shot in the dark. Even for two bad teams this doesn't move the needle.

[chrbal]

Patrick Williams to anywhere probably needs incentives added on. I get sending him to Charlotte, but I still don’t think they should trade for him without impressive incentives. 4 years/$72 million. Hes not good enough to not pick up that player option

[Scoot McGroot]

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

i'd personally be surprised if Salaun was neutral value. if he was the 36th pick instead of the 6th, he would never have been converted off a two-way contract and would be back in France already. if he was cut tomorrow, I have my doubts he would receive a two-way contract from an NBA team

that said, there's no way Jeff Peterson cuts ties with his first ever draft pick so quickly

If Salaun was the 36th pick, he likely wouldn’t have still gotten 2 gtd years on an nba deal. Guys drafted that high don’t sign two ways either. 42~ or later is more likely two way zone.


But yeah. He played terribly last year. And he got so mulch playing time to do it!

[HornetJail]

Normally I would never recommend trading a high pick after his rookie year, but Salaun was comically bad. I still would wait, but there were games, that he clearly looked out of place on an NBA floor, like he got lost, and just wandered in off the street.

yeah unfortunately it was pretty much all of them. I can literally pinpoint one moment in the entire season in which he legitimately looked like an NBA player. he had about a 5 minute stretch in a game against the Cavs where he played decent defense and hit a couple ridiculous threes that he usually airmails. It stands out so vividly because the other 1000+ minutes he got were among the worst I have ever seen in my 20+ years following the NBA and the Bobcats/Hornets.

He needed to be glued to the D-League the entire season, but due to injuries, he pretty much had to play because we ran out of PFs and C basically immediately after the season started. The thing is, I'm usually really patient with rookies that show basically anything. But Salaun has shown zero reasons to even get excited for the future. I fail to see even a best case scenario where he is as good as Patrick Williams is. It's closer to Davis Bertans minus the laser shooting. And there just isn't a point in even waiting his entire rookie contract for him to get there.

It's the most head scratching draft pick I've ever seen as a fan of this team, and that says a lot

[zeebneeb]

Normally I would never recommend trading a high pick after his rookie year, but Salaun was comically bad. I still would wait, but there were games, that he clearly looked out of place on an NBA floor, like he got lost, and just wandered in off the street.

yeah unfortunately it was pretty much all of them. I can literally pinpoint one moment in the entire season in which he legitimately looked like an NBA player. he had about a 5 minute stretch in a game against the Cavs where he played decent defense and hit a couple ridiculous threes that he usually airmails. It stands out so vividly because the other 1000+ minutes he got were among the worst I have ever seen in my 20+ years following the NBA and the Bobcats/Hornets.

He needed to be glued to the D-League the entire season, but due to injuries, he pretty much had to play because we ran out of PFs and C basically immediately after the season started. The thing is, I'm usually really patient with rookies that show basically anything. But Salaun has shown zero reasons to even get excited for the future. I fail to see even a best case scenario where he is as good as Patrick Williams is. It's closer to Davis Bertans minus the laser shooting. And there just isn't a point in even waiting his entire rookie contract for him to get there.

It's the most head scratching draft pick I've ever seen as a fan of this team, and that says a lot

LOL. I was trying to be nice, and you were even more ruthless.

In any event, do you think there is any chance he could eventually pan out? Some players take time to really get into a groove. Salaun though, just didn't move like an NBA player to me. Like an actor portraying an athlete.

You see any hope?

[HornetJail]

LOL. I was trying to be nice, and you were even more ruthless.

In any event, do you think there is any chance he could eventually pan out? Some players take time to really get into a groove. Salaun though, just didn't move like an NBA player to me. Like an actor portraying an athlete.

You see any hope?

He would need to figure out how to become a 3-point marksman or something, because every other trait of his is like really really far off. There aren't even minor strengths to build on, and he isn't the kind of athlete where you can just make him an unskilled rim running big man.

I really would love to know what Peterson and company saw in his draft workout, because there haven't even been glimpses that you'd expect to see from a late 1st rounder let alone a #6. Even our past colossal failures like Kai Jones, you could sort of see the vision there with a similarly unskilled player, but Kai could rim run and was legitimately a 99th percentile athlete for a big man. Salaun is somewhat quick laterally but is awkward with it, and has absolutely no vertical whatsoever lol



As for his chances of panning out: Maybe a career like Yabusele where he washes out of the league, goes back to France for a bunch of years, steadily improves, and then gets a chance in international player and finds his way back to the NBA? It sucks, because he does seem to try hard, he's just absolutely nowhere close to an NBA caliber player at the moment.

[tcheco]

There was some talks that Spurs were super into drafting Salaun with their second pick and decided to trade it when Charlotte got him, I wonder if it was true.