Bulls re-sign Josh Giddey - 4/100- no options, fully guaranteed

[League Circles]

Any word yet on increasing vs decreasing vs flat?

[League Circles]

Any word yet on increasing vs decreasing vs flat?

To quote myself, of course magically Shamsports. Com Calulator already shows Giddey's deal and he shows it as flat. So maybe it is. That would be nice. It was like 50k over 25 mil for each year.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Im speaking in general, I think we put Giddey in unreasonable expectations verses others.

People want to downgrade how good Giddey was in the last 2 months but also the same people praise Coby and Tre Jones for playing well in those same 2 months.

By that logic, we should also disregard Coby's performance.
By that logic, Tre Jones is also a mirage. (How can sustain 57% shooting and 50% from 3)

Those points are used to shape Giddey arguments.

This is why things are so polarizing.

[brentmoney]

giddey rocks and is going to be an all-star

sorry, going to die on this hill for now

[brentmoney]

the disconnect between giddey's actual ceiling and patrick williams having stans far longer than he should have is so funny

[nomorezorro]

i don't think i've seen any meaningful segment of the board give any more weight to coby and tre jones's end of season performances than to giddey's

there's already been plenty of debate about how to handle coby's impending free agency. there has admittedly not been any particularly heated conversation about tre jones, but i think that's because he signed for $8m a year.

[kodo]

Im speaking in general, I think we put Giddey in unreasonable expectations verses others.

People want to downgrade how good Giddey was in the last 2 months but also the same people praise Coby and Tre Jones for playing well in those same 2 months.

By that logic, we should also disregard Coby's performance.
By that logic, Tre Jones is also a mirage. (How can sustain 57% shooting and 50% from 3)

Those points are used to shape Giddey arguments.

This is why things are so polarizing.

It's not even a first part / second part thing. Scottie Barnes averaged 19/8/6 and that was worth a no discussion, immediate $45M per year extension. Franz Wagner averaged 19/5/3 and got the same extension. Both players can make a lot more if they make an ASG. All three players were at the same age.

Giddey playing their minutes averaged 17 / 9.4 / 8.4 for the season, both start & end averaged in. He's also a worlds better shooter than either.
Barnes: 33% 3P
Wagner: 28% 3P
Giddey: 38% 3P

[Magilla_Gorilla]

I feel like some people in here think the MLE is still 5million a year. 25million AAV puts Giddey at tied for 69th highest paid player in the NBA. Other players making 25million AAV include Miles Bridges, Naz Reid, and Fred VanFleet. The non-taxpayer MLE is 14 million dollars.

Its also important to note that if you are going to compare his salary to other players you have to take into consideration when those deals were signed - 25m in the last year of a 4 year deal signed in 2021 isn't the same as 25million today.

[Stratmaster]

Wait? WUT? Best case scenario for a 22 year old is that he plays at a level he has already played at? Worst case is he plays at a level below any level he has ever played at?

He most definitely played a good chunk of last season at the negative level described. I wouldn't have paid first 50 games of the year Josh Giddey the MLE. I'd also say I think he has very little upside over end of season Giddey despite his age, because there were so many weird outliers going on there, like there's no way he can shoot 46% from 3 over any length of time.

That said, overall, I'd say pretty low odds this is a bad contract (barring serious injury).

We aren't ever going to agree on Giddey. You think he is a bum who over-achieved and won't ever play quality basketball again. I think he is a serviceable starting PG who fits exactly the genius offense the Wizard Billy Donovan has concocted. Run as fast as you can and shoot as fast as you can.

[MrSparkle]

All seriousness, I like Giddey’s IQ and passing a lot. Always was a fan of fundamental and creative bball. I don’t see him as a corner-piece for a successful team (nor does anybody). He’s a long-shot for all-star. But locking him at $25M does make the “10 good players” concept remotely possible.

Bulls project to be in losing range.. it’ll be 8-14 range, but still in play for the top-4 pick next year. That to me is the meal ticket. (Along with Matas becoming more special). All these pre-existing Bulls are below-average playoff players.

[Stratmaster]

Best case scenario: he's the guy he was for the last couple months of the season. That's probably a max contract player.

Worst case scenario: he's an unathletic, bad defender who can't shoot or impact games when they matter. That guy's not worth even $20M.

If it weren't for those last couple month or two he wouldn't even be capable of getting the $25M he did.

Wait? WUT? Best case scenario for a 22 year old is that he plays at a level he has already played at? Worst case is he plays at a level below any level he has ever played at?

You're right on the downside, but upside I think his strong level of play was against questionable competition, and doing so against normal competition would be a HUGE accomplishment. ALMOST like having him score 40 a game for the entire G-League season and saying he could do it in the NBA.

I agree. Best case and worst case scenarios rarely happen with NBA players. Except for Patrick Williams. But a reasonable best case is he becomes a perennial all-star. A reasonable worst case is a low end starter. If he were to go the PWill route it world shock the hell out of me... and I think most everyone else. The worst case description given would make even PWill look good in comparison.

[Chi town]

I’d say Giddey with a 3 ball will be an all star even if it’s a Deng type all star.

His 3 ball came along way last year and all the videos I’ve seen this summer show even more improvement and confidence to take it off the dribble.

I’ll keep saying it… 5s per game and 6FTs per game for Giddey and becomes a legit engine to a successful NBA offense.

Once defenses start guarding him from 3 it will open the court even more for his passing. Get him a legit lob threat at C that can also block shots and create easy buckets and this team will be cooking.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I feel like some people in here think the MLE is still 5million a year. 25million AAV puts Giddey at tied for 69th highest paid player in the NBA. Other players making 25million AAV include Miles Bridges, Naz Reid, and Fred VanFleet. The non-taxpayer MLE is 14 million dollars.

Its also important to note that if you are going to compare his salary to other players you have to take into consideration when those deals were signed - 25m in the last year of a 4 year deal signed in 2021 isn't the same as 25million today.

Honestly that is the real part people have a hard time wrapping their head around. You also have to account that next years salaries are going to be even more than what was offered 2 years ago.

I think people for get that guys like Mikai Bridges are making 37 mil a year. That Isiah Hartensiten is making 27 mil a year. De'aron Fox and Jalen Brown making 57 million per year.

Well all I can say is alot of people complained about Zach Lavines first deal. And it was quickly and easily the best deal in the NBA after a season or two.

[HomoSapien]

Any word yet on increasing vs decreasing vs flat?

To quote myself, of course magically Shamsports. Com Calulator already shows Giddey's deal and he shows it as flat. So maybe it is. That would be nice. It was like 50k over 25 mil for each year.

Don't think this is confirmed but...

Read on Twitter

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[HomoSapien]

i don't think i've seen any meaningful segment of the board give any more weight to coby and tre jones's end of season performances than to giddey's

there's already been plenty of debate about how to handle coby's impending free agency. there has admittedly not been any particularly heated conversation about tre jones, but i think that's because he signed for $8m a year.

Well, the reason for that is because Giddey's role significantly changed whereas White's didn't.

[League Circles]

Any word yet on increasing vs decreasing vs flat?

To quote myself, of course magically Shamsports. Com Calulator already shows Giddey's deal and he shows it as flat. So maybe it is. That would be nice. It was like 50k over 25 mil for each year.

Don't think this is confirmed but...

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=xOB22xGd85UcfRRu6zUm4w

Will be interesting to see. It does just say "estimated" there. My money is on Sham. I honestly think he has some sort of top secret live link to some salary database.

[League Circles]

I feel like the clear take away from the deal is that Giddey got money that peg him as a 3rd best player today on a/the roster, with likelihood to be a 4th best player towards the end of the deal. That's absolutely appropriate IMO. Giddey is a top 3 player for us and we're an average team. In order to become better, it will probably mean getting or developing another starter that's better than him such that he's 4th best.

[dougthonus]

We aren't ever going to agree on Giddey. You think he is a bum who over-achieved and won't ever play quality basketball again.

I mean I quite literally don't think that. Nor have I ever described him that way.

I think he is a serviceable starting PG who fits exactly the genius offense the Wizard Billy Donovan has concocted. Run as fast as you can and shoot as fast as you can.

Sort of funny you said that, because I think this description fits pretty much what I said. A guy who has a very low chance of being a bad contract and also someone that doesn't have meaningful upside.

[MGB8]

$18m/yr = Patrick Williams
$25m/yr = Josh Giddey

Both 4 year contracts remaining.

Learning lesson here is let the market to determine a players value. AKME rushed Patrick Williams signing and did it right with Josh Giddey.

Deep down, I would really love for last year’s Pat to have been slowed down by some unknown ailment or injury, and with Matas and Essengue being bigger and “pencilled” as 4s, a quicker, bouncier Pat appears who looks like Year 1 and pre-injury year 2 Pat, with quicker defense and returned 3 pt and mid range shooting accuracy, and the Harrison Barnes archetype seems accurate again…

Whether or not that guy would stay on the Bulls, as constructed, he at least would be worth close to his contract, able to earn another similar one. Plus, all reports are that Pat is a good guy and a hard worker, and you wish such people well.

[DuckIII]

Good smart deal by both camps that should result in two
important things:

(a) mutually positive feelings;

(b) a deal far more likely to be a valuable trade asset than a burden you can’t shake.

Big win. Another point in an increasingly more consistent pattern of solid work by AK.