Shaedon Sharpe

[Blazinaway]

Per SHAMS Giddy signs for 100/4

Giddey 22, same age and better stats than Shae and probably similar D, maybe a bit better off of last year, just looking at possible comparisons

[Walton1one]

Good point, will be interesting to see what Sharpe ends up signing for, especially with a new owner whose history does not appear to be one of just throwing money at players.

Then again, this is NBA & not the NHL, and next year is not this year (few teams with cap space). Pretty good deal or CHI though

[PDXKnight]

Good point, will be interesting to see what Sharpe ends up signing for, especially with a new owner whose history does not appear to be one of just throwing money at players.

Then again, this is NBA & not the NHL, and next year is not this year (few teams with cap space). Pretty good deal or CHI though

The giddey deal gives me hope, feels like the off season to play a little hardball and if he wants max money just wait it out till hes a rfa as it wont cost us much anyhow

The flip side of course is Sharpe may benefit from waiting it out, next year theres more teams with cap space. So who knows what happens here. Im glad Dundon will be the owner next summer, but I hope they current regime doesn't max him out as a final middle finger to Portland after years of middle fingers

[zzaj]

If Portland wants to take some big steps forward, overall skill and consistency jumps from Sharpe and Scoot have to be the catalyst for that change. Is that probable?...heck no.

A 'big 3' of a fully realized Deni/Sharpe/Scoot SHOULD be what we are looking at...but that's just not the case for a lot of reasons.

If Sharpe can get himself to league average 3pt% on + volume, then that should help his cause. OFC his offense should be predicated on C&S 3s and attacking closeouts. I don't believe he'll ever be great at self-creation in the mid range, but mixing some of that in will help also. Defensively? He's never been a good defender--even pre-NBA, and I don't think that's ever going to change. I don't think he processes the game or has the will and mindset to be a plus defender.

[SweaterBae]

Not to derail the thread, but I still have absolutely no idea what SS does well. He gets butts in seats and eyeballs on highlight videos, but what's his calling card in the NBA? He's inefficient offensively, not strong defensively, doesn't rebound or create for others at a high rate. He's above average at drawing fouls and that seems to be, statistically, the strength of his entire game. And he's not even elite at that.

[zzaj]

Not to derail the thread, but I still have absolutely no idea what SS does well. He gets butts in seats and eyeballs on highlight videos, but what's his calling card in the NBA? He's inefficient offensively, not strong defensively, doesn't rebound or create for others at a high rate. He's above average at drawing fouls and that seems to be, statistically, the strength of his entire game. And he's not even elite at that.

I don’t think you’re derailing the thread at all—it’s about SS, afterall…

And yeah, at this stage he doesn’t have a standout skill other than maybe finishing at the rim. He’s pretty wildly inconsistent game to game and even within games. He’s yet to really show he can play impact, winning basketball even on a bad team.

There’s a lot to be cautious with regarding Sharpe. He’s always been a “projection” player, a “he shows signs and has some tools” player…a player who needs to hit high-end outcomes to really be effective in the NBA, and that jury is still out going into his fourth year. That’s not a great sign, historically…

IMO, this is a make-or-break year for Sharpe at 22-23 years old.

[SweaterBae]

Not to derail the thread, but I still have absolutely no idea what SS does well. He gets butts in seats and eyeballs on highlight videos, but what's his calling card in the NBA? He's inefficient offensively, not strong defensively, doesn't rebound or create for others at a high rate. He's above average at drawing fouls and that seems to be, statistically, the strength of his entire game. And he's not even elite at that.

I don’t think you’re derailing the thread at all—it’s about SS, afterall…

And yeah, at this stage he doesn’t have a standout skill other than maybe finishing at the rim. He’s pretty wildly inconsistent game to game and even within games. He’s yet to really show he can play impact, winning basketball even on a bad team.

There’s a lot to be cautious with regarding Sharpe. He’s always been a “projection” player, a “he shows signs and has some tools” player…a player who needs to hit high-end outcomes to really be effective in the NBA, and that jury is still out going into his fourth year. That’s not a great sign, historically…

IMO, this is a make-or-break year for Sharpe at 22-23 years old.

nod. I just don't want to start an argument. The last time I brought up that he was statistically one of our worst players, it was a crapstorm. I was a box score whore, etc.

[dckingsfan]

Not to derail the thread, but I still have absolutely no idea what SS does well. He gets butts in seats and eyeballs on highlight videos, but what's his calling card in the NBA? He's inefficient offensively, not strong defensively, doesn't rebound or create for others at a high rate. He's above average at drawing fouls and that seems to be, statistically, the strength of his entire game. And he's not even elite at that.

I don’t think you’re derailing the thread at all—it’s about SS, afterall…

And yeah, at this stage he doesn’t have a standout skill other than maybe finishing at the rim. He’s pretty wildly inconsistent game to game and even within games. He’s yet to really show he can play impact, winning basketball even on a bad team.

There’s a lot to be cautious with regarding Sharpe. He’s always been a “projection” player, a “he shows signs and has some tools” player…a player who needs to hit high-end outcomes to really be effective in the NBA, and that jury is still out going into his fourth year. That’s not a great sign, historically…

IMO, this is a make-or-break year for Sharpe at 22-23 years old.

I can understand why folks would react to any criticism of Sharpe with the notion that he is young and we need to give him time. He will be 22 next season, so still young. And as you two have pointed out, his two skills are drawing fouls and finishing at the rim. But we shouldn't dismiss the slow progression he is making in other areas - it could lead to a small breakout.

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Age   MP     TS%    3P%      FT%   AST%    TOV%   USG%
19   1779   0.568   0.360   0.714    7.9   10.7   19.0
20   1059   0.524   0.333   0.824   13.8   12.9   22.4
21   2252   0.551   0.311   0.785   14.2   11.0   25.1

His assist percentage is going up while his TO percentage goes down with higher usage. That bodes well. Yes, his 3 point percentage stinks. But... he has shown in the past that he could hit the 3 (specifically the corner 3).

So, what does that mean for Sharpe. He either needs to start hitting 3s outside of corner 3s or not take them. If he can't, then he really can't be your secondary ball handler unless he can consistently get to the rim (and he doesn't have that skill or desire at this point).

So, he could be effectively utilized from the corner.

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DRB%   STL%   BLK%   DRtg
11.3   1.0    1.2    121
13.3   1.3    1.0    119
12.7   1.3    0.6    117

But then he is a 3&D and his D... well, he rebounds like a PG although his overall defense in the current scheme is getting better. But he doesn't seem to have the motor to be or want to be a lockdown defender.

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 BPM   VORP
-3.3   -0.6
-2.8   -0.2
-1.3    0.4

That leads us to this. Statistically there has been some improvement in his game. But for him to take a real jump, he either needs to improve his handle to get to the rim consistently or hit the 3 at a much higher level as well as improve his motor and intensity on D.

That is a really big ask for this upcoming season, IMO.

[Wizenheimer]

I think there is a 'sink-or-swim' timeline that gets more and more urgent with NBA players; and it tracks with their rookie-scale deals. Sharpe is entering the last season of his rookie scale. The Blazers have to decide if he's worth investing a lot of money and salary cap in going forward

some other 4th year players:

* Anthony Edwards - averaged 26-5-5 while leading the Wolves to the WC Finals when he averaged 28-7-7

* Tyrese Haliburton - averaged 20-4-11 while leading the Pacers to the EC Finals

* Devin Booker - averaged 27-4-7

probably too high a standard looking at those guys; they are all-NBA. No way Sharpe comes close to matching those guys. Maybe he's destined for an all-star level career and maybe he'll show that this coming season. Or, maybe Chauncey will start Grant and Sharpe will be a backup like Scoot

[dckingsfan]

I think there is a 'sink-or-swim' timeline that gets more and more urgent with NBA players; and it tracks with their rookie-scale deals. Sharpe is entering the last season of his rookie scale. The Blazers have to decide if he's worth investing a lot of money and salary cap in going forward

some other 4th year players:

* Anthony Edwards - averaged 26-5-5 while leading the Wolves to the WC Finals when he averaged 28-7-7

* Tyrese Haliburton - averaged 20-4-11 while leading the Pacers to the EC Finals

* Devin Booker - averaged 27-4-7

probably too high a standard looking at those guys; they are all-NBA. No way Sharpe comes close to matching those guys. Maybe he's destined for an all-star level career and maybe he'll show that this coming season. Or, maybe Chauncey will start Grant and Sharpe will be a backup like Scoot

Yep, I don't think he is going to be an all-star. But we could do comparisons on all former all-stars to see if any have a similar trajectory.

I am guessing they will need to put him on a VERY team contract or let him walk. We will see if the FO has that in them.

[Wizenheimer]

I think there is a 'sink-or-swim' timeline that gets more and more urgent with NBA players; and it tracks with their rookie-scale deals. Sharpe is entering the last season of his rookie scale. The Blazers have to decide if he's worth investing a lot of money and salary cap in going forward

some other 4th year players:

* Anthony Edwards - averaged 26-5-5 while leading the Wolves to the WC Finals when he averaged 28-7-7

* Tyrese Haliburton - averaged 20-4-11 while leading the Pacers to the EC Finals

* Devin Booker - averaged 27-4-7

probably too high a standard looking at those guys; they are all-NBA. No way Sharpe comes close to matching those guys. Maybe he's destined for an all-star level career and maybe he'll show that this coming season. Or, maybe Chauncey will start Grant and Sharpe will be a backup like Scoot

Yep, I don't think he is going to be an all-star. But we could do comparisons on all former all-stars to see if any have a similar trajectory.

I am guessing they will need to put him on a VERY team contract or let him walk. We will see if the FO has that in them.

well, if next summer is anything like this summer, and Sharpe only improves incrementally, Sharpe as a RFA may not have much of a market. Giddey just got 25M/year but he played a couple of tiers better than Sharpe did, at least compared to Sharpe last season

Cam Thomas just accepted a 6M QO. Kuminga hasn't signed yet

on the other hand, Scottie Barnes signed for 45M/year; Jalen Green 34M/year; Franz Wagner 45M/year; Jalen Suggs 30M/year; Trey Murphy 26M/year; Jalen Johnson 30M/year

so, I don't really have a clue what will happen. Seems like Cronin isn't the type of GM to play hardball, but the new owner should be in place by next summer

I'm also assuming that re-signing Camara might be a bigger priority

[dckingsfan]

I think there is a 'sink-or-swim' timeline that gets more and more urgent with NBA players; and it tracks with their rookie-scale deals. Sharpe is entering the last season of his rookie scale. The Blazers have to decide if he's worth investing a lot of money and salary cap in going forward

some other 4th year players:

* Anthony Edwards - averaged 26-5-5 while leading the Wolves to the WC Finals when he averaged 28-7-7

* Tyrese Haliburton - averaged 20-4-11 while leading the Pacers to the EC Finals

* Devin Booker - averaged 27-4-7

probably too high a standard looking at those guys; they are all-NBA. No way Sharpe comes close to matching those guys. Maybe he's destined for an all-star level career and maybe he'll show that this coming season. Or, maybe Chauncey will start Grant and Sharpe will be a backup like Scoot

Yep, I don't think he is going to be an all-star. But we could do comparisons on all former all-stars to see if any have a similar trajectory.

I am guessing they will need to put him on a VERY team contract or let him walk. We will see if the FO has that in them.

well, if next summer is anything like this summer, and Sharpe only improves incrementally, Sharpe as a RFA may not have much of a market. Giddey just got 25M/year but he played a couple of tiers better than Sharpe did, at least compared to Sharpe last season

Cam Thomas just accepted a 6M QO. Kuminga hasn't signed yet

on the other hand, Scottie Barnes signed for 45M/year; Jalen Green 34M/year; Franz Wagner 45M/year; Jalen Suggs 30M/year; Trey Murphy 26M/year; Jalen Johnson 30M/year

so, I don't really have a clue what will happen. Seems like Cronin isn't the type of GM to play hardball, but the new owner should be in place by next summer

I'm also assuming that re-signing Camara might be a bigger priority

Yep, lots of uncertainty.
1) How will Sharpe play
2) Will the new owners keep Cronin (or his replacement) for overpays
3) How does the FA market shape out next season

Either way, it will be fun to see who if any of the youngsters break out. Between Sharpe and Scoot, I guess Scoot (wild arse guess). But who I really see breaking out is Clingan. My longshot is Rupert (and no, not to become a starting level player but to be a decent player that doesn't hurt you).

[tester551]

I think there is a 'sink-or-swim' timeline that gets more and more urgent with NBA players; and it tracks with their rookie-scale deals. Sharpe is entering the last season of his rookie scale. The Blazers have to decide if he's worth investing a lot of money and salary cap in going forward

some other 4th year players:

* Anthony Edwards - averaged 26-5-5 while leading the Wolves to the WC Finals when he averaged 28-7-7

* Tyrese Haliburton - averaged 20-4-11 while leading the Pacers to the EC Finals

* Devin Booker - averaged 27-4-7

probably too high a standard looking at those guys; they are all-NBA. No way Sharpe comes close to matching those guys. Maybe he's destined for an all-star level career and maybe he'll show that this coming season. Or, maybe Chauncey will start Grant and Sharpe will be a backup like Scoot

Yep, I don't think he is going to be an all-star. But we could do comparisons on all former all-stars to see if any have a similar trajectory.

I am guessing they will need to put him on a VERY team contract or let him walk. We will see if the FO has that in them.

well, if next summer is anything like this summer, and Sharpe only improves incrementally, Sharpe as a RFA may not have much of a market. Giddey just got 25M/year but he played a couple of tiers better than Sharpe did, at least compared to Sharpe last season

Cam Thomas just accepted a 6M QO. Kuminga hasn't signed yet

on the other hand, Scottie Barnes signed for 45M/year; Jalen Green 34M/year; Franz Wagner 45M/year; Jalen Suggs 30M/year; Trey Murphy 26M/year; Jalen Johnson 30M/year

so, I don't really have a clue what will happen. Seems like Cronin isn't the type of GM to play hardball, but the new owner should be in place by next summer

I'm also assuming that re-signing Camara might be a bigger priority

Given the ownership transition -> I'm not sure the Blazers will even give Sharpe an offer right now.
It would make sense to let the new owner make the decision on how much to pay Sharpe.

Camara is a bit different situation. There is a much better consensus on how much he is worth on the court & much less risk to signing him to a contract.

[Wizenheimer]

Yep, I don't think he is going to be an all-star. But we could do comparisons on all former all-stars to see if any have a similar trajectory.

I am guessing they will need to put him on a VERY team contract or let him walk. We will see if the FO has that in them.

well, if next summer is anything like this summer, and Sharpe only improves incrementally, Sharpe as a RFA may not have much of a market. Giddey just got 25M/year but he played a couple of tiers better than Sharpe did, at least compared to Sharpe last season

Cam Thomas just accepted a 6M QO. Kuminga hasn't signed yet

on the other hand, Scottie Barnes signed for 45M/year; Jalen Green 34M/year; Franz Wagner 45M/year; Jalen Suggs 30M/year; Trey Murphy 26M/year; Jalen Johnson 30M/year

so, I don't really have a clue what will happen. Seems like Cronin isn't the type of GM to play hardball, but the new owner should be in place by next summer

I'm also assuming that re-signing Camara might be a bigger priority

Given the ownership transition -> I'm not sure the Blazers will even give Sharpe an offer right now.
It would make sense to let the new owner make the decision on how much to pay Sharpe.

Camara is a bit different situation. There is a much better consensus on how much he is worth on the court & much less risk to signing him to a contract.

I think the deadline for any extension for either Sharpe or Camara is less than a month away. At this point I'd be surprised if either signs and extension. Sharpe may not have been offered one. I'm guessing Camara was offered the max the Blazers could offer (22M/year) and it wasn't enough

I'd anticipate both being offered max QO's next summer