OT : Eurobasket 2025 semifinals | Türkiye vs Greece | & | Finland vs Germany |

[GusT15]

I can't wait for the complaints about the referees after the game between Greece and Turkiye. This is gonna be fun

[Bob8]

I blame Slovenian HR department (AKA Luka's dad, allegedly) for not hiring 2nd best Slovenian player

2nd and 3rd best players weren't allowed to play by Olimpia Milano. Funny enough they're playing friendliest for Milano at the moment.

Ignas Brazdeikis started playing friendlies 9 days ago

Slovenian HRD should have been ready for surprises

Nebo guaranteed to Sasa Doncic that he will come 10 days before start of preparations. Cancar wasn't even questionable before he signed contract with Milano in July. It would be much smaller problem, if they played on different position, but Slovenia doesn't have anyone else in front court. Germany or Italy missing few players is totally different than 2 mio nation missing 2 crucial players.

[Archx]

As neutral viewer, this was worst officiated national teams games in last +5 years.

Between first quarter finger poke of doom calls, laughable technical , Schroder 360 flip- flopping, refs never had control over a game, but lost credibility in 3rd when they changed how they call fouls and allowed more physical play. Well...at least for Germany. For Slovenia, it was still mostly finger poke fouls against them.

30 vs 20 disparity in FT just goes to show you how uneven officiating was. It's not like Germany played any more aggressive, it's just refs that had no clue what they are calling. That allyoop miss-late foul on Thies is best example of crappy officiating.


I got bored and decided to slow down one of end game plays that broke a game.
with 1:46 to play, Germany up by 3, Theis gets ball in post. Slovenia traps. Theis makes 7 ( seven! ) steps before passing. Refs call nothing.
Even that Lo 3 point line in 4th was uncalled very obvious offensive foul while illegal screening by Bonga. Not only that he moved screen, he held player so he can't pass and contest shooter.

Even in 3rd i think, when Schroder just smacked guy to prevent layup/dunk, it should have been unsportsmanship foul because there was no intention to attack ball, missed ball by like 50 cm, 100% hands & elbow hit.

But yea... Slovenia is small country. Germany isn't. Gotta help big ones.

I still think the most ridiculous foul in the entire game (and there were quite a lot both ways) was when Luka was called offensive foul on Schroeder. Which was his 4th foul and made him play quite passive on defense. He was also afraid to drive to the rim after that. In replay we can clearly see Schroeder moving to set the charge and was not even standing still but somehow still got the whistle. That should have actually been an and1 for Luka.

[pepe1991]

As neutral viewer, this was worst officiated national teams games in last +5 years.

Between first quarter finger poke of doom calls, laughable technical , Schroder 360 flip- flopping, refs never had control over a game, but lost credibility in 3rd when they changed how they call fouls and allowed more physical play. Well...at least for Germany. For Slovenia, it was still mostly finger poke fouls against them.

30 vs 20 disparity in FT just goes to show you how uneven officiating was. It's not like Germany played any more aggressive, it's just refs that had no clue what they are calling. That allyoop miss-late foul on Thies is best example of crappy officiating.


I got bored and decided to slow down one of end game plays that broke a game.
with 1:46 to play, Germany up by 3, Theis gets ball in post. Slovenia traps. Theis makes 7 ( seven! ) steps before passing. Refs call nothing.
Even that Lo 3 point line in 4th was uncalled very obvious offensive foul while illegal screening by Bonga. Not only that he moved screen, he held player so he can't pass and contest shooter.

Even in 3rd i think, when Schroder just smacked guy to prevent layup/dunk, it should have been unsportsmanship foul because there was no intention to attack ball, missed ball by like 50 cm, 100% hands & elbow hit.

But yea... Slovenia is small country. Germany isn't. Gotta help big ones.

I still think the most ridiculous foul in the entire game (and there were quite a lot both ways) was when Luka was called offensive foul on Schroeder. Which was his 4th foul and made him play quite passive on defense. He was also afraid to drive to the rim after that. In replay we can clearly see Schroeder moving to set the charge and was not even standing still but somehow still got the whistle. That should have actually been an and1 for Luka.

At end of a game :
2 Slovenian players were ejected
4 had 4 fouls ( fifth is ejection)

Even if by some miracle game went to OT, refs already prepared ground to no shocking endings.

Slovenia had 8 men in rotation, 6 were either ejected or at verge. 8 men. 31 fouls.

If you want to rig and fix game as a ref, this is demo game how. T up star and fill him with garbage fouls, make him unplayable or force them to sit him. Fill centers with fouls so they can't protect rim. Game is already over at this point. But refs in this game went further. 12 FTA disparity is 6 possession in basketball. It's a lot even in NBA. It's literally 1/3rd of a quarter under FIBA's 10 min quarter.

I can't care less about Slovenia ( or Luka, not even his big fan) . I said on Magic's side of Real Gm forum, i watched this and got my Croatia vs Spain-trauma back from 2005, when refs just handed game to bigger country.

[Bob8]

As neutral viewer, this was worst officiated national teams games in last +5 years.

Between first quarter finger poke of doom calls, laughable technical , Schroder 360 flip- flopping, refs never had control over a game, but lost credibility in 3rd when they changed how they call fouls and allowed more physical play. Well...at least for Germany. For Slovenia, it was still mostly finger poke fouls against them.

30 vs 20 disparity in FT just goes to show you how uneven officiating was. It's not like Germany played any more aggressive, it's just refs that had no clue what they are calling. That allyoop miss-late foul on Thies is best example of crappy officiating.


I got bored and decided to slow down one of end game plays that broke a game.
with 1:46 to play, Germany up by 3, Theis gets ball in post. Slovenia traps. Theis makes 7 ( seven! ) steps before passing. Refs call nothing.
Even that Lo 3 point line in 4th was uncalled very obvious offensive foul while illegal screening by Bonga. Not only that he moved screen, he held player so he can't pass and contest shooter.

Even in 3rd i think, when Schroder just smacked guy to prevent layup/dunk, it should have been unsportsmanship foul because there was no intention to attack ball, missed ball by like 50 cm, 100% hands & elbow hit.

But yea... Slovenia is small country. Germany isn't. Gotta help big ones.

I still think the most ridiculous foul in the entire game (and there were quite a lot both ways) was when Luka was called offensive foul on Schroeder. Which was his 4th foul and made him play quite passive on defense. He was also afraid to drive to the rim after that. In replay we can clearly see Schroeder moving to set the charge and was not even standing still but somehow still got the whistle. That should have actually been an and1 for Luka.

At end of a game :
2 Slovenian players were ejected
4 had 4 fouls ( fifth is ejection)

Even if by some miracle game went to OT, refs already prepared ground to no shocking endings.

Slovenia had 8 men in rotation, 6 were either ejected or at verge. 8 men. 31 fouls.

If you want to rig and fix game as a ref, this is demo game how. T up star and fill him with garbage fouls, make him unplayable or force them to sit him. Fill centers with fouls so they can't protect rim. Game is already over at this point. But refs in this game went further. 12 FTA disparity is 6 possession in basketball. It's a lot even in NBA. It's literally 1/3rd of a quarter under FIBA's 10 min quarter.

I can't care less about Slovenia ( or Luka, not even his big fan) . I said on Magic's side of Real Gm forum, i watched this and got my Croatia vs Spain-trauma back from 2005, when refs just handed game to bigger country.

Don't say that, we have people here, who believe officiating was in Slovenia's favour till the end of Q4. They indeed had 12 FTs less, but just imagine how would the game looked, if referees weren't refereeing in Slovenian favour. I guess the whole starting lineup fouled out in Q3. Thank god referees saved us from total humiliation.

[El Turco]

I can't wait for the complaints about the referees after the game between Greece and Turkiye. This is gonna be fun

I expect everyone to consider both teams' perspectives and come to a fair conclusion through a level-headed conversation

[LuDux1]

I propose new poll: When will Slovenia loose because of their own mistakes:
FIBA Basketball World Cup 2027
Olympic Games 2028
EuroBasket 2029
FIBA Basketball World Cup 2031
Never

[LuDux1]

I can't wait for the complaints about the referees after the game between Greece and Turkiye. This is gonna be fun

I expect everyone to consider both teams' perspectives and come to a fair conclusion through a level-headed conversation

This man knows nothing about RealGM, get him out of here

Watch on YouTube

[BernteB]

doncic drew 12 fouls alone, because even looking at him was apparently a foul. doncic should have received his 3rd foul, when he fell for schröder's pump fake 3 in the first quarter, which was the most ridiculous non call of the game. doncic didn't receive his 2nd technical, even when he did the money gesture towards the refs.

why is he even complaining?

[Bob8]

doncic drew 12 fouls alone, because even looking at him was apparently a foul. doncic should have received his 3rd foul, when he fell for schröder's pump fake 3 in the first quarter, which was the most ridiculous non call of the game. doncic didn't receive his 2nd technical, even when he did the money gesture towards the refs.

why is he even complaining?

My best guess is to annoy you.

[Felixians4]

Eurobasket final 2017, fun and great game by both teams. Awful whistling overall, in favour of Slovenia definitely. So why Serbs not talking about that i do not understand yet and they complaining about USA whistling last Olympics more which is not so obvious against them like that final 2017

[Bob8]

I borrowed this explanation from some other forum,
I hope someone will understand what we are talking about,

" Let's sort out some basics.

When you've got a bad refereeing, it ussualy goes both way. Especially since ussualy there is a guy that wants to compensate a bit for calls of other referee and than it becomes a mess. Doesn't take an Einstein to realise that. Than we can both decide to focus on the calls selectively, the ones we want to, you can focus on fouls on Bonga, while I can be focused on moving screens and use of hands and we are both absolutely 100% convienced both of our NT's got robbed.
And of course there have to be the ussual nihilistic masterminds with the perceptiveness of a second coming of Sherlock, reinventing the hot water by claiming: the refs were bad for both sides...

Now, there is a difference between bad refereing due to individual calls - there are always few calls in the game, somebody doesn't like, pretty normal, refs are human, they make mistakes, sometimes a bit onesided, but the bitch mother here is consistency. Be it through the tournament, through the game and in between various aspects of the game.
Through the tournament, referees were strict on moving screens, as well as using legs and hands, in this game the criteria was notably different. You can call out: "it was flopping all the way", but you might've noticed flopping has gone way down from the previous numbers during the last few years, for a reason.
Than there's the consistency during the same game and across both teams. There were some consistencies that were there and I still call them utter bull, such as 4th ( i believe) shooting foul of Bonga on Dončič and Dončič's 3rd - you just don't let the game be played in the physical manner and than call such bull, it's completely disproportionate. Sure, let's be nihilistic and say Bonga received an unjust foul and Dončič, so we are even... do i need to proceed why we are not? I hope not.
In the previous games, I thought of the refereeing as decent. Most of the time it was even unoticable. Kind of resented some of the video challenges they took actualy, thinking they're complicating without much need. Now this was together with France our most physical game by far and they only took one challenge when it came to contact. If Murič's hit on the head was intentional. laughing my ass out. (yeah sure, they could as well re-view 2 fouls on Schroeder for the intent (Nikolič and Hrovat I believe), those were hard and would still be better reviews than the only one they actualy did)
Now I consider myself a bit of an expert on these rough fouls, as I was never a technical player but relied on athleticism and defense in the 3rd slovenian... I can even translate to german how it was called... holzfallerliga, I tend to believe I know something about unnatural use of hands/elbows and that even at the lower levels, you can't get away with those repeatedly. There were some instances of those, if you were wondering why Schroeder was receiving those bodychecks, here is your answer. And before this game, I had a feeling the referees were generaly very cautious on this tournament about any foul that could proove to be intentional/unsportmanslike. Untill yesterday of course.

Than there is also the consistency of the game's philosophy/logic, if the criteria makes sense, meaning if you've whistleing small nudge with the leg in defense, can you really ignore using hands in screens? I you don't call any moving screens, what would be the reciprocal way to call positioning while rebounding and so on and on.
I hate it when they try something new in that regard, ussualy you can see that at the start of the new season or tournament, when the referees get some new directives and want to enforce those... but mate, we're talking about 1/4 finals of eurobasket!?
Than consistency through the game, you just don't switch to calling everything in the last few minutes after a physical game such as this!? Complete nonsense. I can't wait to read someplace "Slovenians didn't succesfully adapt to the changes in criteria in the last 3,4 minutes lmao"

Sure, technically while that small movement of the leg is of course a foul (Luka3rd, Bonga 4th as an example), it's the extent of how deliberate and consequential it is that should prevail, but if you call that in a physical game you're either lost or bad or most likely both. Ussualy it's the push with body that is being called there. If that should be used throughout the tournament with the upmost consistency, than Jokič, Giannis, Dončič as well as your Wagner and Schroeder would should 40-50+ FT's per game as there is no way you can defend them, you have to let them slide past you.
Sure, call that, but that's used 80+% of cases when a defender on the perimeter is able to hold his own. How can you play defense than? Nikolič's fifth f.e. when I guess they called some sort of a hand-check, cry me a river, in that case there is no defense at the perimeter. Technicaly a foul? Yeah at the U12 level, but you are calling that and at the same time ignoring hard pushes when battleing for the position? Completely out of proportions and out of any logic.

Yeah, I also remember quite some cases when the calls definately went our way! Shall we go counting one by one, count the mistakes and where the "both ways" fouls went? I am very confident in which direction most calls went, but agree, it's pretty futile thing to do.


Now, I don't like that attitude with the referees from our guys either. As Klemen said on the press conference they are working on that, believe it or not, they've made some big steps in that regard on this tournament and just about everyone were unanimous when Luka had some black minutes I believe against France, asking him to stop. And he did. In a game like this? I am proud on them how they kept their mouths shut.
Last world championship, sure there was a lot of talk especially vs. Canada, yeah, I didn't like criteria. The best way to stop Luka is getting physical (lol @ Theis and his: you can't complain if your best player gets rewarded 12 fouls, I know some tall players are not the smartest sunshines, but this one took a bit of denial as well), of course i didn't like the whistles accordingly, but at least they were trying to be consistent through the game (not as much through the tournament to be fair). And as soon as I realised the criteria at the start vs. Germany, I was a bit worried.
Nevertheless referees are there to do their job, our whineing to the referees on some past tournament, should not lose us this game, eventhough I am afraid it did.

I will give Germany this credit, this didn't seem to me as a extreme version of "hack-a-Luka" that some teams want to promote, as they've got no other way to go. Luka surely can't throw 50 FTs per game and I hate the game developing into Luka receiving 3 fouls per possesion, with the referees inevitably getting the "whistle fatique" and everybody mocking Luka "oh look, he is whineing again, crybaby..." He could sometimes just forget about some of the contacts he receive, definately, but there were games in the past, where those contacts were getting far beyond anything even remotely normal. Now, how should he react in this regard?

But eventually, you can say whatever you want, deep down I know you are aware that Germany shouldn't need the help it received yesterday. I won't say it was deliberate or especialy deliberately in favour of Germany, I believe it was more against Luka and the attitude towards the referees he has shown in the past (and yesterday again, but unlike in some other cases, he had a good reason for it). I get it, they want to show him who is the king here, but as Prepelič said at the press conference, the referees are very far from the levels that the players are at.
Imo Luka should take a rest from the next tournaments and focus on NBA. Both for his own sake and for the sake of those clowns refereeing.


Proud of our 11 supposed ice cream salesman that played with Luka and gave it all and can't wait for some young apple pickers to be added in the next year, so the humiliation of the so many supposed euroleague stars that need a specific type of refereeing to compete with those amateurs, will be complete!"

[Mirotic12]

Some of the Greece versus Spain games over the years were reffed much worse than Slovenia versus Germany was.

The refs did incredibly blatant rob jobs against Greece versus Spain in 2010 and 2015.

And hardly anyone in social media complained about them.

Same thing as pepe mentioned with Spain and Croatia in 2005.

Spain was by far the best European team for like 10 years, and yet, the refs often decided to make them invincible, and to ensure they won elimination games that they otherwise would have lost.

All of this focus on the refs now is because of Luka and how he reacts to and interacts with the refs during games. And because so many NBA fans are interested in how Luka does.

I'm not saying it's bad that officiating finally is getting looked at in these tournaments. It should be, because for years the way refs helped push Spain was just disgusting.

But this isn't even close to how bad the refs can get. Bad calls went both ways. At times when Spain looked like they were going down, they would get bad call, after bad call, after bad call, after bad call in their favor in 4th quarters.

If people think this Slovenia - Germany game was a real screw job by the refs, they certainly have not been following these recent tournaments for that long, or that closely.

[Mirotic12]

I blame Slovenian HR department (AKA Luka's dad, allegedly) for not hiring 2nd best Slovenian player

2nd and 3rd best players weren't allowed to play by Olimpia Milano. Funny enough they're playing friendliest for Milano at the moment.

What has Cancar ever done to prove he is Slovenia's third best player?

Hrovat, Blazic, and Prepelic have all done and proven more than Cancar has, both career wise and in recent years.

[Bob8]

I blame Slovenian HR department (AKA Luka's dad, allegedly) for not hiring 2nd best Slovenian player

2nd and 3rd best players weren't allowed to play by Olimpia Milano. Funny enough they're playing friendliest for Milano at the moment.

What has Cancar ever done to prove he is Slovenia's third best player?

Hrovat, Blazic, and Prepelic have all done and proven more than Cancar has, both career wise and in recent years.

Maybe because we have no one in backcourt?

Blazic isn't playing for NT anymore and Prepelic is washed. Hrovat didn't even make NT every time.

[Mirotic12]

Maybe because we have no one in backcourt?

Blazic isn't playing for NT anymore and Prepelic is washed. Hrovat didn't even make NT every time.

Yes, but Cancar has mostly just been injured his whole career.

[Bob8]

Maybe because we have no one in backcourt?

Blazic isn't playing for NT anymore and Prepelic is washed. Hrovat didn't even make NT every time.

Yes, but Cancar has mostly just been injured his whole career.

I'm talking about now not about before. He and Nebo would be clearly 2nd and 3rd best player and more importantly in position of need.

[levon]

I really enjoyed Olympics officiating for the most part, but Eurobasket has been over-officious to say the least. I haven't watched enough of it to say there is a pattern of rigging or anything, but I can see why fans of every team would be upset. Lots of draconian penalties coming at inopportune times. Refs don't have a good feel for what makes an enjoyable product. It feels like they borrowed refs from another sport and they don't even particularly like basketball.

[Mirotic12]

Maybe because we have no one in backcourt?

Blazic isn't playing for NT anymore and Prepelic is washed. Hrovat didn't even make NT every time.

Yes, but Cancar has mostly just been injured his whole career.

I'm talking about now not about before. He and Nebo would be clearly 2nd and 3rd best player and more importantly in position of need.

What are the chances he would even make it through the tournament without getting injured? I'd say not great at all.

[bisme37]

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Hey buddy I just noticed this thread has gone over 100 pages. If you have some time could you make a new one? No huge rush but it should be done before too long. Thx.