Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Chris Porter's Hair]

If his hangup on the current offer is a lack of control, and worry that we'll trade him somewhere he doesn't want to go, I wonder if we can negotiate on that point. "Give us a list of 5 teams you don't want to be traded to." Find some middle ground on the no-trade part of it.

It probably wouldn't be wise of Kuminga to burn any bridges out of the Warriors, but he has an idiot for an agent, so who knows.

If some team trades for him, wouldn't that mean they want him and want to play him? I would assume he would prefer that to being stuck all season with the Warriors.

Worst case scenario he gets consistent playing time on a team he (at least initially) doesn't want to stay with. He would be unrestricted after next season. But in this scenario, he gets a chance to showcase his "skills".

That's why I'm confused by his position of, "I don't want to be here" combined with, "I won't sign that bigger contract because you might trade me somewhere I don't want to be."

As for burning bridges, yeah, I'd assume he wouldn't publish this list on his Twitter or anything heh I'm not a lawyer, but something like, "Player has right of refusal on any trades resulting in player ending up on any of the teams in Appendix A", and an Appendix A where he tells the Warriors, "Utah, Charlotte, Washington, Toronto, Boston". Whatever.

[whatisacenter]

Monty Poole is reporting that the Warriors expect JK to sign the qualifying offer.

I didn’t actually hear the report, but I heard them talking about it on the radio

[statsman]

Three weeks until October 1st. Let's see if we can get to 200 pages on this thread before Kuminga signs the qualifying offer.

[Coxy]

Three weeks until October 1st. Let's see if we can get to 200 pages on this thread before Kuminga signs the qualifying offer.

I'm here to do my part.

[AirP.]

Kumimga's trade value is much higher as a young asset than just an expiring contract so if someone really wants Kuminga, GS and Kuminga should have options.

What makes you say this?

Because young assets are usually worth more than an expiring contract? I know GS is expecting to get more than just an expiring contract for their young asset.

[AirP.]

It would be best for everyone if Kuminga takes the 2 year contract and get some type of verbal commitment that GS and Kuminga's camp will try to work together to get him somewhere he wants to go while GS gets value out of him.

A verbal "commitment" is meaningless, why would he believe anything they say? He might sign if they drop their insistence that he waive his NTC but there are no signs of that happening. IMO, if they really thought they could trade him for someone worthwhile, they would just guarantee two years.

It's not meaningless when it comes to dealing with agents and players in the future, either you honor your words or future agents/players just ignore anything that isn't on a contract when dealing with you. When selling to a free agent on how you expect to use them needs to believed, if you are known to just lie to players you're going to lose out on some percentage of players who can't trust you.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Kumimga's trade value is much higher as a young asset than just an expiring contract so if someone really wants Kuminga, GS and Kuminga should have options.

What makes you say this?

Because young assets are usually worth more than an expiring contract? I know GS is expecting to get more than just an expiring contract for their young asset.

And if jk was a desired asset, he'd have been traded away already. Unless mjd is dumb, I'm assuming he's asked around about jk. Only the dredge of the nba franchises are open to kuminga, but only if they can throw away their trash to make the deal. That's loud.

Hence why they want a salary to move at the deadline.

[statsman]

To be fair, this was a brutal offseason to try to do a S&T of a RFA. That said, the reported offers for Kuminga have been awful. More likely the other teams knew the Warriors wouldn't/couldn't do the S&T deals without jettisoning more salary.

I guess I am being too optimistic, but I'm hoping the Warriors and Kuminga actually have a S&T they would go through with, and they are just waiting to see if any other team will top the offer in the next three weeks.

[xdrta+]

It would be best for everyone if Kuminga takes the 2 year contract and get some type of verbal commitment that GS and Kuminga's camp will try to work together to get him somewhere he wants to go while GS gets value out of him.

A verbal "commitment" is meaningless, why would he believe anything they say? He might sign if they drop their insistence that he waive his NTC but there are no signs of that happening. IMO, if they really thought they could trade him for someone worthwhile, they would just guarantee two years.

It's not meaningless when it comes to dealing with agents and players in the future, either you honor your words or future agents/players just ignore anything that isn't on a contract when dealing with you. When selling to a free agent on how you expect to use them needs to believed, if you are known to just lie to players you're going to lose out on some percentage of players who can't trust you.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Your own words are that GS will promise to "try to work together to get him somewhere he wants to go while GS gets value out of him." When they throw up their hands and say we just couldn't find a deal that works that way, that's the end of it. They trade him where they want. Other agents are focused on their own clients, if they can make a deal that works for them, they don't care what happened with Kuminga.

[AirP.]

A verbal "commitment" is meaningless, why would he believe anything they say? He might sign if they drop their insistence that he waive his NTC but there are no signs of that happening. IMO, if they really thought they could trade him for someone worthwhile, they would just guarantee two years.

It's not meaningless when it comes to dealing with agents and players in the future, either you honor your words or future agents/players just ignore anything that isn't on a contract when dealing with you. When selling to a free agent on how you expect to use them needs to believed, if you are known to just lie to players you're going to lose out on some percentage of players who can't trust you.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Your own words are that GS will promise to "try to work together to get him somewhere he wants to go while GS gets value out of him." When they throw up their hands and say we just couldn't find a deal that works that way, that's the end of it. They trade him where they want. Other agents are focused on their own clients, if they can make a deal that works for them, they don't care what happened with Kuminga.

Sure, there could be a point where they say we can't get value out of you except for these teams and hopefully he's ok with one of the teams even if there's not a preference at this time of any of those teams.

I look back at the recruitment to resigning Blake Griffin, the Clippers did a fake retirement ceremony for Blake and his family as a lifelong Clipper to sell him on coming back which he did resign then 6 months later he finds out on twitter he was traded. It was all legal but the Clippers led Griffin to believe he wasn't being traded anytime soon and he could feel comfortable resigning from them vs him being a free agent and getting to pick where his next team was. If I were a player or agent, there's no way I'd trust that franchise, it would be all about money to go there with no other expectations.

Money is great, but when everything is about even, I think earning a player/agent's respect by not lying/leading them on helps a franchise get the player. Hopefully GS hasn't lied to Kuminga about his role or his future in GS if he resigns.

[AirP.]

What makes you say this?

Because young assets are usually worth more than an expiring contract? I know GS is expecting to get more than just an expiring contract for their young asset.

And if jk was a desired asset, he'd have been traded away already. Unless mjd is dumb, I'm assuming he's asked around about jk. Only the dredge of the nba franchises are open to kuminga, but only if they can throw away their trash to make the deal. That's loud.

Hence why they want a salary to move at the deadline.

No, there were circumstances. First, Kuminga's salary was under 8 million, you can't get a whole lot back for that plus he was injured at the time right before he was going to become a restricted free agent so teams didn't know how much they'd get to look at him before they had to resign him and they already knew he was wanting to get paid plus there was the new CBA which looks to be making it harder to give big salaries to non-stars.

[TB]

Still think (hope) Kispert might be the player we end up with for Kuminga. A lot of fans would be mad about it, but I think he’s become undervalued on a bad Wizards team and would thrive in our system next to Steph/Jimmy/Dray. Need as many shooters as possible.

Steph / Morris
Podz / Melton / Buddy
Jimmy / Kispert / GP2
Dray / Moody
Horford / Post

I’d be very happy with this 12 man rotation.

[CS707]

Because young assets are usually worth more than an expiring contract? I know GS is expecting to get more than just an expiring contract for their young asset.

And if jk was a desired asset, he'd have been traded away already. Unless mjd is dumb, I'm assuming he's asked around about jk. Only the dredge of the nba franchises are open to kuminga, but only if they can throw away their trash to make the deal. That's loud.

Hence why they want a salary to move at the deadline.

No, there were circumstances. First, Kuminga's salary was under 8 million, you can't get a whole lot back for that plus he was injured at the time right before he was going to become a restricted free agent so teams didn't know how much they'd get to look at him before they had to resign him and they already knew he was wanting to get paid plus there was the new CBA which looks to be making it harder to give big salaries to non-stars.

The salary is a fair point but presumably he's been available prior to hitting his RFA status. If teams were interested in him, there are creative ways to make the offer attractive for the Warriors. My assumption is that he was shopped and there wasn't much difference in what we're seeing this offseason. He's a flyer that bad teams are willing to buy low on.

[statsman]

He's a flyer that bad teams are willing to buy low on.

I would guess most of those teams don't see a high demand for Kuminga, so they figure they have a shot next offseason were Kuminga an UFA. Going to be brutal if Kuminga plays for the QO, then finds out the best he can get is the NTMLE (~ $15.5M) next offseason.

[wco81]

I saw on NBA Today on ESPN that according to Shams and Slater, the Warriors have pulled the 2-year, $45 million offer?

[statsman]

I saw on NBA Today on ESPN that according to Shams and Slater, the Warriors have pulled the 2-year, $45 million offer?

So, either the qualifying offer, or the Warriors will be submitting a new offer soon. This assumes what you heard and posted is true.

[bay2hk]

I saw on NBA Today on ESPN that according to Shams and Slater, the Warriors have pulled the 2-year, $45 million offer?

Warriors finally came to their senses. JK f around and is finding out now. He’s not worth more than the QO. We stay under the first apron and have the opportunity to go after buyout players making more than the NTMLE during the season.