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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#21 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:13 pm

knicks1999 wrote:So Clarkson it is…..can’t be worse than Payne!


kolek is working on it. we must think we have enough there to bring shamet back instead of another PG.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#23 » by JayTWill » Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:25 pm

Don't mind having Shamet back. Provides a more dynamic shooter with a quicker release and more range than some of the other complimentary pieces on the team. He seemed a bit small on the defensive end at times with Thibs running him out there with 2 other small guards quite often but he did compete on that end of the court.

Not sure who starts and what the rotation looks like but Brown could run a 10 man rotation if he chooses to with a hypothetical starting 5 of Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/Kat with a bench of Clarkson/Shamet/Hart/Yabu/Mitch or different variations of those lineups. I still have some concerns about the overall defense of the team and the point guard play but we shall see how things play out.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#24 » by knicks1999 » Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:08 pm

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knicks1999 wrote:So Clarkson it is…..can’t be worse than Payne!


kolek is working on it. we must think we have enough there to bring shamet back instead of another PG.

That’s what I was thinking
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#25 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:31 pm

He's under 30, actually played well when he wasn't glued to the bench too. I'm fine with this. I just hope one of the young guys works their way into the rotation between 3pac and McCullar, we need someone with size on the perimeter: outside of OG our perimeter defenders are small.
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Post#26 » by ctorres » Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:50 pm

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Shamet has his work cut out for him. According to Google, Matthews is a better defender.

Google AI Overview wrote:Based on career statistics and scouting reports, Garrison Mathews is a better defender than Landry Shamet. While neither player is known as a lockdown defender, Mathews has a reputation for high effort and foul-drawing, while Shamet has consistently been targeted by offenses due to his defensive limitations.

Defensive strengths and weaknesses

Garrison Mathews
Strengths: Mathews is known for his high motor, relentless effort, and willingness to draw charges, which he does at an elite level. He has improved his understanding of team defensive schemes, including communication and positioning.
Weaknesses: Despite his effort, Mathews is still considered a below-average defender. He can be exploited by faster perimeter players and has struggled when defending pick-and-rolls, an area where his athletic limitations are exposed.

Landry Shamet
Strengths: Shamet is a good team defender with a high basketball IQ, and his length allows him to contest shots.
Weaknesses: Shamet lacks the lateral quickness and physical strength to consistently stay in front of quicker or stronger opponents. He is also susceptible to getting lost in screens, making him a frequent target for opposing offenses. His defensive metrics have been consistently poor throughout his career.

Summary
While neither player offers high-end perimeter defense, Mathews is the more reliable and impactful defender. His exceptional effort and knack for drawing offensive fouls give him a defensive edge that Shamet lacks. Shamet, by contrast, has been viewed as a defensive liability who is often hidden by his team to avoid mismatches.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#27 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Sep 11, 2025 11:25 pm

Good move.

Do we have any more roster spots left?
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#28 » by JayTWill » Fri Sep 12, 2025 12:18 am

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Shamet has his work cut out for him. According to Google, Matthews is a better defender.

Google AI Overview wrote:Based on career statistics and scouting reports, Garrison Mathews is a better defender than Landry Shamet. While neither player is known as a lockdown defender, Mathews has a reputation for high effort and foul-drawing, while Shamet has consistently been targeted by offenses due to his defensive limitations.

Defensive strengths and weaknesses

Garrison Mathews
Strengths: Mathews is known for his high motor, relentless effort, and willingness to draw charges, which he does at an elite level. He has improved his understanding of team defensive schemes, including communication and positioning.
Weaknesses: Despite his effort, Mathews is still considered a below-average defender. He can be exploited by faster perimeter players and has struggled when defending pick-and-rolls, an area where his athletic limitations are exposed.

Landry Shamet
Strengths: Shamet is a good team defender with a high basketball IQ, and his length allows him to contest shots.
Weaknesses: Shamet lacks the lateral quickness and physical strength to consistently stay in front of quicker or stronger opponents. He is also susceptible to getting lost in screens, making him a frequent target for opposing offenses. His defensive metrics have been consistently poor throughout his career.

Summary
While neither player offers high-end perimeter defense, Mathews is the more reliable and impactful defender. His exceptional effort and knack for drawing offensive fouls give him a defensive edge that Shamet lacks. Shamet, by contrast, has been viewed as a defensive liability who is often hidden by his team to avoid mismatches.


Shamet's deal isn't guaranteed?
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#29 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 12, 2025 12:22 am

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8516knicks wrote:"The Knicks have enough room for rookie vet minimum under the second apron." What is a ROOKIE VET contract? I didn't know there was such a thing. How many years before a vet qualifies for a regular vet minimum versus a rookie vet minimum? :o :reporter: :dontknow:


Rookie vet is a guy like McCullars, right?

Who else on the Knicks might qualify? Hukporti or Dadiet? Both are under contract.
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Is there room for a two way still, or is that out?

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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#30 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 12, 2025 12:23 am

What’s the rule on two way contracts? Two orthree in total so the Knicks could go 14+3 = 17 spots? Or 15+2?

So end of roster is:

Shamet or Matthew

Tiny rookie vet is McCullars or Dink

Two way deals are McCullars or Dink or Diawara, pick 2?
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Post#31 » by ctorres » Fri Sep 12, 2025 1:51 am

JayTWill wrote:Shamet's deal isn't guaranteed?


Correct, it's non-guaranteed!

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The only advantages Shamet seems to have is that Shamet has found himself on more winning squads than Matthews, and the fact that Shamet has already been on the team.

Otherwise, Matthews might be the real deal.



Or maybe I'm just building up Matthews because I love some drama :lol:
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#32 » by DaGawd » Fri Sep 12, 2025 2:40 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
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Rookie vet is a guy like McCullars, right?

Who else on the Knicks might qualify? Hukporti or Dadiet? Both are under contract.
Pate?

Is there room for a two way still, or is that out?

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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#33 » by GettinitDone » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:16 am

I prefer Delon but whatever

Shamet averaged 5.7 points and 1.2 rebounds while shooting 39.7 percent in 15.2 minutes across 50 games last season with the Knicks.


Since when Thibs played Shamet 15.2mpg lololol
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#35 » by cgmw » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:58 am

Yeah so the real headline here is:

Knicks go into season with Tyler Kolek as only backup PG on roster.
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Post#36 » by Wildcat » Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:08 am

It was the only real move. Malcolm wasn't coming over for questionable minutes. Shamet will be okay with that role. I am a bit concern on how thin we are up front, though.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#37 » by Richard4444 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:08 am

thebuzzardman wrote:What’s the rule on two way contracts? Two orthree in total so the Knicks could go 14+3 = 17 spots? Or 15+2?

So end of roster is:

Shamet or Matthew

Tiny rookie vet is McCullars or Dink

Two way deals are McCullars or Dink or Diawara, pick 2?


There isnt rookie vets in NBA. We need a rookie min. He should be Diawara. Dink or Nnaji.

I dont think McCullars qualify as a rookie because he played last season.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#38 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 12, 2025 12:02 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:What’s the rule on two way contracts? Two orthree in total so the Knicks could go 14+3 = 17 spots? Or 15+2?

So end of roster is:

Shamet or Matthew

Tiny rookie vet is McCullars or Dink

Two way deals are McCullars or Dink or Diawara, pick 2?


There isnt rookie vets in NBA. We need a rookie min. He should be Diawara. Dink or Nnaji.

I dont think McCullars qualify as a rookie because he played last season.


One of the tweets somewhere referred to it as a rookie min, but it must be the rookie minimum, correct.

Nnaji would be a waste of a spot. The Knicks already have 3.5 centers in Kat, Mitch, Hukporti and Yabu.
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#39 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Sep 12, 2025 1:12 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:What’s the rule on two way contracts? Two orthree in total so the Knicks could go 14+3 = 17 spots? Or 15+2?

So end of roster is:

Shamet or Matthew

Tiny rookie vet is McCullars or Dink

Two way deals are McCullars or Dink or Diawara, pick 2?


There isnt rookie vets in NBA. We need a rookie min. He should be Diawara. Dink or Nnaji.

I dont think McCullars qualify as a rookie because he played last season.

Yes, Richard is right here.

See cbafaq.com or this article https://dailyknicks.com/knicks-just-got-crushing-news-about-a-key-prospect-01k2j55wfs1h
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Re: Shams: Shamet Back 

Post#40 » by putiger78 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 1:13 pm

Wildcat wrote:It was the only real move. Malcolm wasn't coming over for questionable minutes. Shamet will be okay with that role. I am a bit concern on how thin we are up front, though.


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