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[SerialChiller]

Some just can't stand having a mirror held up to them.

I bet...

[Tim_Hardawayy]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

[contract]

https://www.threads.com/@realcarlallen/post/DOctyq3jcvm/media

This was right after Pelosi--an actual politician--had her husband attacked btw.

And from Charlie Kirk himself:

Read on Twitter

I really hope some of you go back and read my post about the paradox of tolerance and how the left has finally caught on to the right weaponizing empathy against them. It really will not work anymore.

Side note, I really hope this board updates at some point and allows posting of media outside of Instagram, YT, and twitter.

https://www.threads.com/@melissa_suze_cruz/post/DOeDhQZkd-u/video-a-reminder-that-charlie-kirk-called-for-televised-public-executions-saying-that-

Truly a decent man.

[Shewasfly]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

If simply quoting a far right conservative's own words back to them in death is baiting conservatives, then you should have been questioning what the right has been putting out all along. The very fact that you all think its tasteless in this context should be a clue that what he was saying, and what he represented, were awful.

And the majority of these quotes are not even taken out of context from when they were said. So its not even like his words are being misrepresented. It's actually eerie how much of his own hateful and violent speech ended up applying to him in his death.

Look at what he said about MLK:



Charlie Kirk's social media is LITTERED with stuff like this. You should have feared a long time ago.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

If simply quoting a far right conservative's own words back to them in death is baiting conservatives, then you should have been questioning what the right has been putting out all along. The very fact that you all think its tasteless in this context should be a clue that what he was saying, and what he represented, were awful.

And the majority of these quotes are not even taken out of context from when they were said. So its not even like his words are being misrepresented. It's actually eerie how much of his own hateful and violent speech ended up applying to him in his death.

Look at what he said about MLK:



Charlie Kirk's social media is LITTERED with stuff like this. You should have feared a long time ago.

You are equivocating political speech with someone who literally just got assassinated. You might have somewhat of a point if MLK literally died the day Kirk said that (still wouldn’t unless you believe in eye for an eye), but obviously that is not the case.

I can tell you this much, I share a lot of his values, and I’ll fight and die for those values. You can kill him, you can kill me too, but I’ll bet you can’t kill all of us. And if people are going to cheer for my death, why should I even try to hold civil discourse with them?

That being said, I think it’s mostly idiots with megaphones attached to them, and I’m hopeful most people realize that and don’t get goaded into something worse. I'm comfortable with calling conservatives who are jumping to conclusions about the killer or their motives, or blaming literally everyone left of them for this, as dumb, but its equally dumb to cheer on the man's death within hours, especially to die in such a violent spectacle like manner. It really shows a dark soul for something like that, and its hard to ignore.

We're not talking about someone having a different viewpoint than you, we're talking about openly praising an assassination of someone who has a different viewpoint than you. That says a lot, for anyone who holds those views. Nobody's saying mourn him or call him a great man, but its not difficult to just let it go if you hate the guy. If you cheer for the death of your political opponents, its only going to lead to more death/violence (and before the whataboutism starts, show me where I, the poster, cheered on the death of left wing activists, because that's what we're seeing in this thread).

[unowen85]

Every time I come down here to visit family I think to myself, “how the hell do y’all live down here with all this traffic?” I literally cannot drive anywhere without having to be in bumper to bumper gridlock.

[DayofMourning]

Every time I come down here to visit family I think to myself, “how the hell do y’all live down here with all this traffic?” I literally cannot drive anywhere without having to be in bumper to bumper gridlock.

Used to live in Chicago, and it was so bad. If you wanted to drive 10 miles outside the city, it would take an hour.

[Shewasfly]

You are equivocating political speech with someone who literally just got assassinated.

Hate speech is not political speech. Let's just get that out of the way.

You might have somewhat of a point if MLK literally died the day Kirk said that (still wouldn’t unless you believe in eye for an eye), but obviously that is not the case.

You have missed the point. There should not be any rhetoric that you say, let alone say repeatedly almost every breath you take, that is so reprehensible that its disrespectful to say it after your death. And if there is, then it should be a lesson to others about the horrid things you said and the beliefs you held.

I can tell you this much, I share a lot of his values,

Oh, we know.

and I’ll fight and die for those values. You can kill him, you can kill me too, but I’ll bet you can’t kill all of us. And if people are going to cheer for my death,

...mmkay.

why should I even try to hold civil discourse with them?

I'm old enough to remember a couple of months ago when yourself and other right wingers wanted to have this whole thread shut down because some of us were trying to have civil discourse. And, much like today, you didn't like that a mirror was being held up that revealed why many of you actually voted the way you did, beyond what you lie about say.

That being said, I think it’s mostly idiots with megaphones attached to them, and I’m hopeful most people realize that and don’t get goaded into something worse.

Sadly enough, you could easily argue that Charlie Kirk was one of them with the megaphone. Again, by your own admission, you are uncomfortable with his words being said after his death. You have to ask yourself why that is and be ready to truly be honest with yourself.

I'm comfortable with calling conservatives who are jumping to conclusions about the killer or their motives, or blaming literally everyone left of them for this, as dumb, but its equally dumb to cheer on the man's death within hours, especially to die in such a violent spectacle like manner. It really shows a dark soul for something like that, and its hard to ignore.

I'm glad you can at least do the first part of your post (or at least acknowledge that that would be the right thing to do, even if you likely do not). On the second part about "cheering on his death" I have NEVER done that. My beliefs--the same beliefs that people on the right have tarnished and degraded with their hatred and fear mongering--would never allow me to do such a thing. Despite the ill they wish on people like me and my family.

We're not talking about someone having a different viewpoint than you, we're talking about openly praising an assassination of someone who has a different viewpoint than you.

This is the part that white men like yourself will never get and why the divide will continue. So many of your so called viewpoints threaten the very lives and humanity of others. It is not a "different viewpoint" or just a different political ideology. Saying Black people were better under slavery is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech. Saying that women should have their right to vote taken away is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech.

That says a lot, for anyone who holds those views. Nobody's saying mourn him or call him a great man, but its not difficult to just let it go if you hate the guy. If you cheer for the death of your political opponents, its only going to lead to more death/violence (and before the whataboutism starts, show me where I, the poster, cheered on the death of left wing activists, because that's what we're seeing in this thread).

I never made the claim that you did. YOU seem to be equating people not mourning him to cheering it on, but that's exactly what you're doing here. What I've said and stand by is that the rhetoric by people like Charlie Kirk was/is hateful and should have been being reprimanded by the right a long time ago. The fact that its considered bait to quote him on his own words after his murder highlights that, and I think it's something y'all should be reflecting on a lot more, rather than being ok with the president and other Republican politicians further fanning anger.

[BadMofoPimp]

Every time I come down here to visit family I think to myself, “how the hell do y’all live down here with all this traffic?” I literally cannot drive anywhere without having to be in bumper to bumper gridlock.

Used to live in Chicago, and it was so bad. If you wanted to drive 10 miles outside the city, it would take an hour.

In Orlando, if you know your traffic routes and streets well, can bypass any log jams of traffic. Plus, on I-4, they put in that pay lane which is very fast. I can get anywhere in Orlando quick nowadays no problemo. So much better than Tampa or Miami traffic, Orlando rocks.

[BadMofoPimp]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

Could lead to more left wing people thinking they can do the same to right wing activists as well. I can see way too many from both sides who are deluded by mass media taking everything they are told to get mad about to heart and acting out. People are sheep and are so easily manipulated.

[HeatFanLifer]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

Could lead to more left wing people thinking they can do the same to right wing activists as well. I can see way too many from both sides who are deluded by mass media taking everything they are told to get mad about to heart and acting out. People are sheep and are so easily manipulated.

It’s already happening to right wing activists. Charlie Kirk was not a politician, he was a right wing activist. People on this very message board are justifying his assassination. I have done nothing but preach about speech over violence, including on this own message board. I will continue to preach these values, as that is democracy. But there are those who viewed Charlie Kirk as a threat to democracy who are literally celebrating his death as saving democracy. This is the opposite of democracy. Anyone justifying a MURDER is the bad guy and it is shameful people have not been banned for propagating violence on here.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Spoiler:

You are equivocating political speech with someone who literally just got assassinated.

Hate speech is not political speech. Let's just get that out of the way.

You might have somewhat of a point if MLK literally died the day Kirk said that (still wouldn’t unless you believe in eye for an eye), but obviously that is not the case.

You have missed the point. There should not be any rhetoric that you say, let alone say repeatedly almost every breath you take, that is so reprehensible that its disrespectful to say it after your death. And if there is, then it should be a lesson to others about the horrid things you said and the beliefs you held.

I can tell you this much, I share a lot of his values,

Oh, we know.

and I’ll fight and die for those values. You can kill him, you can kill me too, but I’ll bet you can’t kill all of us. And if people are going to cheer for my death,

...mmkay.

why should I even try to hold civil discourse with them?

I'm old enough to remember a couple of months ago when yourself and other right wingers wanted to have this whole thread shut down because some of us were trying to have civil discourse. And, much like today, you didn't like that a mirror was being held up that revealed why many of you actually voted the way you did, beyond what you lie about say.

That being said, I think it’s mostly idiots with megaphones attached to them, and I’m hopeful most people realize that and don’t get goaded into something worse.

Sadly enough, you could easily argue that Charlie Kirk was one of them with the megaphone. Again, by your own admission, you are uncomfortable with his words being said after his death. You have to ask yourself why that is and be ready to truly be honest with yourself.

I'm comfortable with calling conservatives who are jumping to conclusions about the killer or their motives, or blaming literally everyone left of them for this, as dumb, but its equally dumb to cheer on the man's death within hours, especially to die in such a violent spectacle like manner. It really shows a dark soul for something like that, and its hard to ignore.

I'm glad you can at least do the first part of your post (or at least acknowledge that that would be the right thing to do, even if you likely do not). On the second part about "cheering on his death" I have NEVER done that. My beliefs--the same beliefs that people on the right have tarnished and degraded with their hatred and fear mongering--would never allow me to do such a thing. Despite the ill they wish on people like me and my family.

We're not talking about someone having a different viewpoint than you, we're talking about openly praising an assassination of someone who has a different viewpoint than you.

This is the part that white men like yourself will never get and why the divide will continue. So many of your so called viewpoints threaten the very lives and humanity of others. It is not a "different viewpoint" or just a different political ideology. Saying Black people were better under slavery is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech. Saying that women should have their right to vote taken away is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech.

That says a lot, for anyone who holds those views. Nobody's saying mourn him or call him a great man, but its not difficult to just let it go if you hate the guy. If you cheer for the death of your political opponents, its only going to lead to more death/violence (and before the whataboutism starts, show me where I, the poster, cheered on the death of left wing activists, because that's what we're seeing in this thread).

I never made the claim that you did. YOU seem to be equating people not mourning him to cheering it on, but that's exactly what you're doing here. What I've said and stand by is that the rhetoric by people like Charlie Kirk was/is hateful and should have been being reprimanded by the right a long time ago. The fact that its considered bait to quote him on his own words after his murder highlights that, and I think it's something y'all should be reflecting on a lot more, rather than being ok with the president and other Republican politicians further fanning anger.

I'm not going to play tit for tat word game semantics with you, anyone else can read you and contract's posts in this thread and derive their own conclusion of your thoughts on the matter.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

It’s funny because my biggest fear is this is going to convince a bunch of right wing people to get violent, and people are just serving up bait on a silver platter. The playbook is so obvious, the only way to win is to refuse to play but people can’t resist that red meat.

EDIT: second biggest fear, my biggest fear is that political assassination becomes normalized and cheered by the masses. Which would be the spark necessary for civil war.

Could lead to more left wing people thinking they can do the same to right wing activists as well. I can see way too many from both sides who are deluded by mass media taking everything they are told to get mad about to heart and acting out. People are sheep and are so easily manipulated.

It’s already happening to right wing activists. Charlie Kirk was not a politician, he was a right wing activist. People on this very message board are justifying his assassination. I have done nothing but preach about speech over violence, including on this own message board. I will continue to preach these values, as that is democracy. But there are those who viewed Charlie Kirk as a threat to democracy who are literally celebrating his death as saving democracy. This is the opposite of democracy. Anyone justifying a MURDER is the bad guy and it is shameful people have not been banned for propagating violence on here.

The fact he's being painted as a far right activist is the insane part, guy was center right and most of his values are positions a 90's democrat would align with, that's how far left the entire overton window has shifted in the last 30 years. I wasn't even a huge fan, but my God the reaction to his death has sickened me and opened my eyes.

[HeatFanLifer]

Could lead to more left wing people thinking they can do the same to right wing activists as well. I can see way too many from both sides who are deluded by mass media taking everything they are told to get mad about to heart and acting out. People are sheep and are so easily manipulated.

It’s already happening to right wing activists. Charlie Kirk was not a politician, he was a right wing activist. People on this very message board are justifying his assassination. I have done nothing but preach about speech over violence, including on this own message board. I will continue to preach these values, as that is democracy. But there are those who viewed Charlie Kirk as a threat to democracy who are literally celebrating his death as saving democracy. This is the opposite of democracy. Anyone justifying a MURDER is the bad guy and it is shameful people have not been banned for propagating violence on here.

The fact he's being painted as a far right activist is the insane part, guy was center right and most of his values are positions a 90's democrat would align with, that's how far left the entire overton window has shifted in the last 30 years. I wasn't even a huge fan, but my God the reaction to his death has sickened me and opened my eyes.

I’m in shambles bro. This is not a cheer for your team and root against the other side scenario. This is a life, death, and humanity scenario. The dude had kids. Kids do not have an understanding of what grievance is. They will never know their father. I don’t give a **** what someone’s beliefs are. We are all humans. We are all entitled to rights. Including a right to life and liberty. This is America. This will continue to be America. Killing Charlie has done nothing to destroy America, but it has devastated his family and that is heartbreaking.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

It’s already happening to right wing activists. Charlie Kirk was not a politician, he was a right wing activist. People on this very message board are justifying his assassination. I have done nothing but preach about speech over violence, including on this own message board. I will continue to preach these values, as that is democracy. But there are those who viewed Charlie Kirk as a threat to democracy who are literally celebrating his death as saving democracy. This is the opposite of democracy. Anyone justifying a MURDER is the bad guy and it is shameful people have not been banned for propagating violence on here.

The fact he's being painted as a far right activist is the insane part, guy was center right and most of his values are positions a 90's democrat would align with, that's how far left the entire overton window has shifted in the last 30 years. I wasn't even a huge fan, but my God the reaction to his death has sickened me and opened my eyes.

I’m in shambles bro. This is not a cheer for your team and root against the other side scenario. This is a life, death, and humanity scenario. The dude had kids. Kids do not have an understanding of what grievance is. They will never know their father. I don’t give a **** what someone’s beliefs are. We are all humans. We are all entitled to rights. Including a right to life and liberty. This is America. This will continue to be America. Killing Charlie has done nothing to destroy America, but it has devastated his family and that is heartbreaking.

From what I read his daughter was there and ran towards the stage when she heard the gunshot. She's 3 years old. There's masses of people cheering and celebrating this. These people are **** lost, and would gladly wish the same death upon you or me if we held any of those views. That is who you are up against. They want you dead, they want your family dead, and they will clap and cheer when it happens.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

His kids will definitely come across the video one day too, sickening.

[HeatFanLifer]

The fact he's being painted as a far right activist is the insane part, guy was center right and most of his values are positions a 90's democrat would align with, that's how far left the entire overton window has shifted in the last 30 years. I wasn't even a huge fan, but my God the reaction to his death has sickened me and opened my eyes.

I’m in shambles bro. This is not a cheer for your team and root against the other side scenario. This is a life, death, and humanity scenario. The dude had kids. Kids do not have an understanding of what grievance is. They will never know their father. I don’t give a **** what someone’s beliefs are. We are all humans. We are all entitled to rights. Including a right to life and liberty. This is America. This will continue to be America. Killing Charlie has done nothing to destroy America, but it has devastated his family and that is heartbreaking.

From what I read his daughter was there and ran towards the stage when she heard the gunshot. She's 3 years old. There's masses of people cheering and celebrating this. These people are **** lost, and would gladly wish the same death upon you or me if we held any of those views. That is who you are up against. They want you dead, they want your family dead, and they will clap and cheer when it happens.

I can only hope any enemies I may have celebrate when I am dead for I see what makes them cheer: the death of good people.

Charlie won the debate, permanently. His family just has to face the consequences of that and I don’t understand how some people lack enough humanity to sympathize with that. Violence is never okay.

This message board would have never tolerated celebrations of violence 5 years ago,I am amazed it’s being tolerated today. Yet here we are. Sad.

[Shewasfly]

You are equivocating political speech with someone who literally just got assassinated.

Hate speech is not political speech. Let's just get that out of the way.

You might have somewhat of a point if MLK literally died the day Kirk said that (still wouldn’t unless you believe in eye for an eye), but obviously that is not the case.

You have missed the point. There should not be any rhetoric that you say, let alone say repeatedly almost every breath you take, that is so reprehensible that its disrespectful to say it after your death. And if there is, then it should be a lesson to others about the horrid things you said and the beliefs you held.

I can tell you this much, I share a lot of his values,

Oh, we know.

and I’ll fight and die for those values. You can kill him, you can kill me too, but I’ll bet you can’t kill all of us. And if people are going to cheer for my death,

...mmkay.

why should I even try to hold civil discourse with them?

I'm old enough to remember a couple of months ago when yourself and other right wingers wanted to have this whole thread shut down because some of us were trying to have civil discourse. And, much like today, you didn't like that a mirror was being held up that revealed why many of you actually voted the way you did, beyond what you lie about say.

That being said, I think it’s mostly idiots with megaphones attached to them, and I’m hopeful most people realize that and don’t get goaded into something worse.

Sadly enough, you could easily argue that Charlie Kirk was one of them with the megaphone. Again, by your own admission, you are uncomfortable with his words being said after his death. You have to ask yourself why that is and be ready to truly be honest with yourself.

I'm comfortable with calling conservatives who are jumping to conclusions about the killer or their motives, or blaming literally everyone left of them for this, as dumb, but its equally dumb to cheer on the man's death within hours, especially to die in such a violent spectacle like manner. It really shows a dark soul for something like that, and its hard to ignore.

I'm glad you can at least do the first part of your post (or at least acknowledge that that would be the right thing to do, even if you likely do not). On the second part about "cheering on his death" I have NEVER done that. My beliefs--the same beliefs that people on the right have tarnished and degraded with their hatred and fear mongering--would never allow me to do such a thing. Despite the ill they wish on people like me and my family.

We're not talking about someone having a different viewpoint than you, we're talking about openly praising an assassination of someone who has a different viewpoint than you.

This is the part that white men like yourself will never get and why the divide will continue. So many of your so called viewpoints threaten the very lives and humanity of others. It is not a "different viewpoint" or just a different political ideology. Saying Black people were better under slavery is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech. Saying that women should have their right to vote taken away is not a political opinion, it is intolerant hate speech.

That says a lot, for anyone who holds those views. Nobody's saying mourn him or call him a great man, but its not difficult to just let it go if you hate the guy. If you cheer for the death of your political opponents, its only going to lead to more death/violence (and before the whataboutism starts, show me where I, the poster, cheered on the death of left wing activists, because that's what we're seeing in this thread).

I never made the claim that you did. YOU seem to be equating people not mourning him to cheering it on, but that's exactly what you're doing here. What I've said and stand by is that the rhetoric by people like Charlie Kirk was/is hateful and should have been being reprimanded by the right a long time ago. The fact that its considered bait to quote him on his own words after his murder highlights that, and I think it's something y'all should be reflecting on a lot more, rather than being ok with the president and other Republican politicians further fanning anger.

I'm not going to play tit for tat word game semantics with you, anyone else can read you and contract's posts in this thread and derive their own conclusion of your thoughts on the matter.

As before, when it comes time to actually back up what you are saying with anything meaningful, you have nothing to say. Yet it's discourse you want.

No, you and the bigoted ilk whose many values you share want to be able to spread your "viewpoints" that happen to invoke violence and cause irreparable harm to everyone who doesn't look like you, and then cry foul when they even so much as point it out. But this is to be expected. Malignant people bask in the hurt they cause others, but hate to feel the shame of what they do and who they are being named. This is the true and only reason you are upset.

[Vertical Limit]

Just a feeling i dont think this guy will get caught. And he is likely not in Utah anymore.

[HeatFanLifer]

Just a feeling i dont think this guy will get caught. And he is likely not in Utah anymore.

Do you have a law enforcement background or some capacity of manhunt experience? Not attacking you, just curious what your credentials are and whether I should take you seriously. This is a big statement.