Adam Silver’s decision on how he will handle the Clippers fraud situation, will define his legacy as Commissioner

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Re: Adam Silver’s decision on how he will handle the Clippers fraud situation, will define his legacy as Commissioner 

Post#81 » by California Gold » Thu Sep 11, 2025 12:43 am

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You're naive to think it's commonplace for an owner to be so blatant as to give a player a 2nd salary thru an outside company, and when that level of rules violation is caught they should & will just do little about it. Then rules are meaningless; everyone knows it. Less should, & would watch.


It’s not naive to think this is commonplace, it’s the opposite actually. The system being setup the way it is for teams to “introduce” players to me is putting in a lot of faith that these connected owners aren’t going to have a way to exploit. Powerful rich people usually get their way because of the connections they have. We aren’t talking about circumventing the law here which is another story entirely.

If he does truly get a slap on the wrist it’ll be because this is more rampant than we think. Hell just from the rules alone it’ll be hard to prove wrongdoing. A simple way to avoid this type of stuff is to not mix teams and players on a the teams sponsors.


The typical wealthy person is going to be more savvy than to flagrantly dole out salaries in 2 different places. Rather they'd direct the player to their sponsor to get an endorsement, while giving the company better sponsorships deals in return. That's plausible deniability.

The difference here is the blatancy, if nothing else. And owners, who are competing, can rightfully come down on Ballmer to that. A lot of FO's are reportedly very mad about this, unlike Cuban, which is either cuz they're friends, or he's the exception doing it too.


Like I said, I think that truth with come out for sure on how many of the owners are truly that upset by this. If the majority are not, you can count on the fact that a chunk of them have done or do this currently. Also taking into account that Ballmer is generally well liked around owners circles based on reports as well which will help his case.
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Post#82 » by Quattro » Thu Sep 11, 2025 1:16 am

Silvers statement today made it pretty clear whats going to happen: Nothing.
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Post#83 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:11 am

Quattro wrote:Silvers statement today made it pretty clear whats going to happen: Nothing.


Yes, sounds like they will let him off the hook. The owners will regret it, I think.
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Post#84 » by durden_tyler » Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:50 am

His legacy is adding the inseason tourney + the postseason play-in-- both exciting innovations that should have been done decades ago.
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Post#85 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Sep 11, 2025 2:38 pm

durden_tyler wrote:His legacy is adding the inseason tourney + the postseason play-in-- both exciting innovations that should have been done decades ago.


And one all star game failure after another.
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Post#86 » by mattg » Fri Sep 12, 2025 1:49 am

If they don't near death penalty LAC this is the beginning of the end for the NBA as a major sports league. Basketball is totally unalike the other sports that get away with no salary cap, those sports a singular player doesn't remotely impact the game as much as basketball. Without a salary cap the NBA as a legitimate competitive sports league dies. It will still have top players and people will tune in, but it 100% opens the door for a competitor league to potentially take off.
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Post#87 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Sep 12, 2025 2:17 am

If the owners don't come down hard on this, the inmates will be running the asylum. Who would want to be an owner when you have to pay the best players on the sly?

I think FIBA is already a problem for the NBA and it has nothing to do with cheating. The players aren't as skilled, but the European product is every bit as exciting. Hell, Summer league is more exciting. I mean, who wants to watch 37 high pick and rolls every night and a team where the best players take every other game off and where the best players thumb their nose at the owners by turning the all star game into a joke? That's the current NBA.
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Post#88 » by GeorgeSears » Fri Sep 12, 2025 2:39 am

Curmudgeon wrote:If the owners don't come down hard on this, the inmates will be running the asylum. Who would want to be an owner when you have to pay the best players on the sly? .


The inmates are already running the asylum, they're about to break out of the asylum.

This is Silver's legacy: Load management, worst ratings in 40 years, "highlight" league, and helping the rich and powerful big market teams.

His legacy is not really salvageable in my opinion, but he can avoid going into patsy territory by coming down on Ballmer.
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Post#89 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Sep 12, 2025 2:53 am

Actually I think parity is a major reason why the ratings are down. Fans like dynasties, not ten different champions in 10 years. And don't get me started on the officiating.
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Post#90 » by SkyHook » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:35 am

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Post#91 » by doogie_hauser » Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:48 am

The Clippers will just cop a slap on the wrist

I might be in the minority but I don't think Ballimar and the Clippers did anything that wrong.

Least he puts his money where his mouth is and wants his team to win chips (as misguided as his current spending spree and roster construction is)
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Post#92 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:59 am

doogie_hauser wrote:The Clippers will just cop a slap on the wrist

I might be in the minority but I don't think Ballimar and the Clippers did anything that wrong.

Least he puts his money where his mouth is and wants his team to win chips (as misguided as his current spending spree and roster construction is)



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Post#93 » by doogie_hauser » Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:39 am

SlimShady83 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:The Clippers will just cop a slap on the wrist

I might be in the minority but I don't think Ballimar and the Clippers did anything that wrong.

Least he puts his money where his mouth is and wants his team to win chips (as misguided as his current spending spree and roster construction is)



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Not next season friend. Celtics are gonna stink, hoping we tank big time.

I think the winner of the East is one of The Knicks, Pistons or Hawks (with the Magic a wild card)

Lakers could easily win the West or bow out in the first round again, its such a weird team to get an accurate projection on right now

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Post#94 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:52 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Not next season friend. Celtics are gonna stink, hoping we tank big time.

I think the winner of the East is one of The Knicks, Pistons or Hawks (with the Magic a wild card)

Lakers could easily win the West or bow out in the first round again, its such a weird team to get an accurate projection on right now

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Post#95 » by Clemenza » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:13 am

Not excusing us as we seem to be caught red handed in this scandal, but the Lakers getting Luka in a back door handshake deal and then the Mavs getting the first pick in the draft seems fully acceptable but now everyone wants blood in the streets over the Clippers seems weird asf. I get it, nobody likes us and Ballmer has all the money in the world, but we gotta go all across the board evenly from here on out, especially if we get the hammer slammed down on us.
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Post#96 » by doogie_hauser » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:27 am

Clemenza wrote:Not excusing us as we seem to be caught red handed in this scandal, but the Lakers getting Luka in a back door handshake deal and then the Mavs getting the first pick in the draft seems fully acceptable but now everyone wants blood in the streets over the Clippers seems weird asf. I get it, nobody likes us and Ballmer has all the money in the world, but we gotta go all across the board evenly from here on out, especially if we get the hammer slammed down on us.


Balimar has dirt on other team's owners who have also done shady player deals, and the other teams know this, which is why they won't push it, cause a fuss when the Clippers get a slap on the wrist (loss of a couple of future 2nd round picks and a massive fine) because then the floodgates open and other big market teams will be exposed.

Its extemley naive to think the Clippers were the only team doing this shady deals.
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Post#97 » by pepe1991 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:45 am

doogie_hauser wrote:
Clemenza wrote:Not excusing us as we seem to be caught red handed in this scandal, but the Lakers getting Luka in a back door handshake deal and then the Mavs getting the first pick in the draft seems fully acceptable but now everyone wants blood in the streets over the Clippers seems weird asf. I get it, nobody likes us and Ballmer has all the money in the world, but we gotta go all across the board evenly from here on out, especially if we get the hammer slammed down on us.


Balimar has dirt on other team's owners who have also done shady player deals, and the other teams know this, which is why they won't push it, cause a fuss when the Clippers get a slap on the wrist (loss of a couple of future 2nd round picks and a massive fine) because then the floodgates open and other big market teams will be exposed.

Its extemley naive to think the Clippers were the only team doing this shady deals.


Is there any person who actually believes this is first time thing? :lol:

I personally always dance around idea of lottery involving no luck, i can see both sides, sometimes i just don't want to believe everything is rigged, because it really challenges me to continue to watch league, if i think nothing i watch is result of sport battle, rather just basketball version of WWE. But in same time, when you put 30 billionaires in a room, majority of them don't even know basic basketball rules and aren't owning team for sake of love for sport but to make profit. In such scenario, handpicking "lottery winner" is just oiling machine to print more $$.

When Lakers needed "luck" in 2017 to keep pick, with top 3 pick, with sub 50% of chance at keeping it. It happened. Same thing happened year prior, but that time around they had around 55% chance of keeping it, and ofc, kept it.

Nets are one of more tragic teams when it comes to lottery ... but every time their pick went to Boston, it turned up very high :roll:

When NBA couldn't sell Pelicans, we all knew who won AD :roll:

When fans were being banned for outrage over Luka trade, Dallas wins lottery after one of most idiotic & questionable trades in history. Probability- 1,8%

When Dan Gilbert was crying and promising Cleveland better future post Lebron via open letter, his team won lottery 3 times in 4 years. Allegedly lost coin flip to Pelicans to win 4 in a a row. And last win secured him contender / Wiggins trade that was door opening for Kevin Love- Wolves trade.

Pelicans got dumped by AD in rather very ugly for audience fashion, ( for LAL, ofc) = Pelicans won lottery (Zion) with 6% probability.

When whole league & public started pointing fingers at Hinkie and his "asset collection" tank job, including trading ROY, for damn sure they weren't winning lottery. But as soon as Hinkie got canned, in April of 2016, 76ers won lottery in May of same year. And his Kings- flip pick job secured 76ers 3rd overall pick in 2017 (that will be turned into rather infamous Fultz- Tatum trade :lol: ). But Hinkie low key got black listed by nba because of court of public opinion. Like Mark Jackson for his personal opinions (allegedly ). Ofc beating wife is perfectly fine ( Kidd, Bridges ). Raping is also fine. Just can't have christian with strong beliefs .


Does it help a league that company that "controls" draft, Ernst & Young, paid $100M fine for widespread cheating by its audit professionals on required Certified Public Accountant (CPA) and ethics exams, and for withholding evidence of this misconduct during the SEC's investigation? :D
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