Shams: Brogdon joins Knicks

[JayTWill]

I wonder what the purpose of all these unguaranteed deals are. I assume it provides a little more financial flexibility. I just can't imagine a bunch of guys that have been in the league for years using a short training camp period to prove themselves for a spot on the roster. Last year they had guys like Shamet, Warren, Okeke and Morris on camp deals. Shamet was the only one that was given a guaranteed contract while Warren and Okeke competed in the G-League all year just for the last roster spot to be given to Tucker.

It's happening all around the league. And I have to double check, but it's always happening with players that played for a tanking team. That's the other downside of tanking. Shots some players serviceability.

Off the top of my head I really can't think of any other examples of guys that have been rotational players for years and have a ton of tape signing camp deals to compete for a roster spot outside of the Knicks. I wish I could find the exhibit 9 and 10 deals for other teams over the last couple years. I can only find guys like Kevin Knox, James Wiseman, Harry Giles and Jaden Springer signing these deals.

[RHODEY]

My dream offseason was Clint Capela with the taxpayer MLE and Brogdon for the minimum. Yaba and Brogdon is also a win for me.

I love Brogdon’s fit on the roster, mainly because it allows us to run lineups with him and Brunson in the backcourt, allowing Brunson to operate off ball at times. He has SG size, has been a good defensive player and knock down shooter though out his career.

He struggles to stay on the court - and let’s be honest about our team - our chances of having a deep run depend on OG Anunoby and Mitchell Robinson being healthy come playoff time.

It wouldn’t surprise me if one of Kolek or Dadiet are moved to create space for both Shamet and Brogdon. Doesn’t seem like there are going to be any minutes for Kolek with Clarkson and Brogdon in the mix, and it makes sense that a win now team prioritizes veterans. I’d prefer to keep Dadiet around but it’s harder to find guys with his size and athleticism.

That's if he makes the team. We'll see if last season was a physically declined season or product of a losing culture.

He looked fine against us last season:

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

YOOOOOOOO!

didn't think we had the money. we not f'n around.

let me read back see if we talked blunston off the ledge.

ok. i see. non-guaranteed. might be more moves... or might not make it if cooked.

i'm with it. love this man.

I'm surprised by the non-guaranteed. I would think Brogdon has options.

All the same, I think we intend to open a spot for him. There's no one better on the market

Spoiler:

Unless Kawhi gets released

[Jeff Van Gully]

we had too many guards any way. it’s up to dadiet, mccullers and diawara now to pan out in to something

It's got to be Kolek.

It COULD be Dadiet, but that would be trading one of the few wing height players, unless the Knicks think Diawara can bring what Dadiet does at a reduced cost (be developmental guy)

Considering they added 2 guards (and Matthews fighting Shamet for one of those spots), feels like it's Kolek.

No longer have to watch kolek or read absurd hype post about how he is the next mark price is nice.

real competition in camp. i'm good with it.

[thebuzzardman]

Kyler, Deuce, and picks is most likely a starting asking price for Kessler. I think a Mitch extension gets done either way.

Fine. Looking at Kessler as a player and the fact that he’s signed through 26/27 at only 7 mil, I don’t care too much about the asking price anymore. IMO, we should’ve overpaid for him long ago

The Knicks don't have anything to offer in terms of picks, though. I think next season they can trade a 1st rounder again, but that's next season.

Is there a team with cap space that will take Kolek into their roster if the Knicks attach a future 2nd round pick?

[spree8]

Called it. Hopefully he starts over Hart

let's start with him making the team.

Well damn, he ain’t washed yet lol

[matchman]

He's at least an upgraded Delon Wright so I am fine to have him as long as he's physically available.

[thebuzzardman]

Brock Aller as consigliere to Don Leon found a wrinkle to buy time to put Fredo Kolek in a boat within the next few days

[god shammgod]

He’s washed unfortunately

[Wildcat]

My dream offseason was Clint Capela with the taxpayer MLE and Brogdon for the minimum. Yaba and Brogdon is also a win for me.

I love Brogdon’s fit on the roster, mainly because it allows us to run lineups with him and Brunson in the backcourt, allowing Brunson to operate off ball at times. He has SG size, has been a good defensive player and knock down shooter though out his career.

He struggles to stay on the court - and let’s be honest about our team - our chances of having a deep run depend on OG Anunoby and Mitchell Robinson being healthy come playoff time.

It wouldn’t surprise me if one of Kolek or Dadiet are moved to create space for both Shamet and Brogdon. Doesn’t seem like there are going to be any minutes for Kolek with Clarkson and Brogdon in the mix, and it makes sense that a win now team prioritizes veterans. I’d prefer to keep Dadiet around but it’s harder to find guys with his size and athleticism.

That's if he makes the team. We'll see if last season was a physically declined season or product of a losing culture.

He looked fine against us last season:

Watch on YouTube

It's funny. I know I should be look at Brogdon, instead I'm looking at KAT at 1:20 mark.

Heh.

But anyway, this was in December. Then he got hurt again. Then he got hurt and then they shut him down. Don't know if he was healthy enough to play, though, because they were tanking anyway.

[ctorres]

Called it. Hopefully he starts over Hart

You think we are better off with Brogdon starting over Deuce?

Deuce still has this season and next year left on his deal, but I think he is playing for a contract extension. He is also 25. I think this is the year that Deuce is playing to secure his last good long-term contract. We are dependent on Deuce taking the next step because he has got the youngest legs among our guys. He needs to be our POA defender.

Deuce needs to be one of our most important guys going into the postseason if we want to win the title. When our vets gets outran by younger guys, that's where a guy like Deuce is needed to help us keep up.

It would be a miracle if Brogdon could turn the clock back 3 years ago and be the 6MOTY he was for the Celtics. I'm just not sure if that's asking for too much.

[GONYK]

It's incredibly unlikely that a guy who doesn't even have a guaranteed contract is going to be starting

[jvsimonetti0514]

They’ll probably wait till camp before they make a decision on whether to trade kolek or not. No need to rush to ship him out If brogdan looks like he’s washed in camp.

[Wildcat]

I wonder what the purpose of all these unguaranteed deals are. I assume it provides a little more financial flexibility. I just can't imagine a bunch of guys that have been in the league for years using a short training camp period to prove themselves for a spot on the roster. Last year they had guys like Shamet, Warren, Okeke and Morris on camp deals. Shamet was the only one that was given a guaranteed contract while Warren and Okeke competed in the G-League all year just for the last roster spot to be given to Tucker.

It's happening all around the league. And I have to double check, but it's always happening with players that played for a tanking team. That's the other downside of tanking. Shots some players serviceability.

Off the top of my head I really can't think of any other examples of guys that have been rotational players for years and have a ton of tape signing camp deals to compete for a roster spot outside of the Knicks. I wish I could find the exhibit 9 and 10 deals for other teams over the last couple years. I can only find guys like Kevin Knox, James Wiseman, Harry Giles and Jaden Springer signing these deals.

Marcus Morris comes to mind. Rotational player in Boston, then 23/24, then had non-guarantee deal with the Knicks. Then he declined a 2nd non-guarantee. I don't think Precious is a scrub, but it looks like his next deal will be a non-guarantee deal if he even returns to the NBA. Horford and Bucks probably going to end up with non-guarantee deals, too. This is more of a recent development where rotational players are getting squeezed. Good job, CBA/NBPA.

[Wildcat]

Fine. Looking at Kessler as a player and the fact that he’s signed through 26/27 at only 7 mil, I don’t care too much about the asking price anymore. IMO, we should’ve overpaid for him long ago

The Knicks don't have anything to offer in terms of picks, though. I think next season they can trade a 1st rounder again, but that's next season.

Is there a team with cap space that will take Kolek into their roster if the Knicks attach a future 2nd round pick?

Honestly, I can't think of any. Nets maybe?

[ctorres]

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That would be our most balanced 10-person lineup

I don't know how well Clarkson will fit. We got 4 guys in Brunson, OG, Mikal, and KAT who should all be getting buckets. The rest should be playing around them as cutters and spot-up shooters. Clarkson was accustomed to being no less than the 3rd option in Utah.

I could see Clarkson getting traded, with Shamet or even Garrison Matthews getting bumped up in the rotation, especially if Brogdon surprises us.

[ctorres]

It's happening all around the league. And I have to double check, but it's always happening with players that played for a tanking team. That's the other downside of tanking. Shots some players serviceability.

Off the top of my head I really can't think of any other examples of guys that have been rotational players for years and have a ton of tape signing camp deals to compete for a roster spot outside of the Knicks. I wish I could find the exhibit 9 and 10 deals for other teams over the last couple years. I can only find guys like Kevin Knox, James Wiseman, Harry Giles and Jaden Springer signing these deals.

Marcus Morris comes to mind. Rotational player in Boston, then 23/24, then had non-guarantee deal with the Knicks. Then he declined a 2nd non-guarantee. I don't think Precious is a scrub, but it looks like his next deal will be a non-guarantee deal if he even returns to the NBA. Horford and Bucks probably going to end up with non-guarantee deals, too. This is more of a recent development where rotational players are getting squeezed. Good job, CBA/NBPA.

Precious is a good basketball player, but he may no longer be a fit in the modern NBA. He can only play situationally alongside KAT, but if Mitch is healthy then there is no place for Precious. Now we have Huk too who has more size than Precious and is skilled.

If you are 6'8 but shoot 27% from the 3pt line, you are not gonna be part of the rotation of a winning team, unless you are an athletic monster like Amen Thompson. Precious is not elite enough defensively to compensate for his lack of 3pt shot.

[spree8]

Called it. Hopefully he starts over Hart

You think we are better off with Brogdon starting over Deuce?

Deuce still has this season and next year left on his deal, but I think he is playing for a contract extension. He is also 25. I think this is the year that Deuce is playing to secure his last good long-term contract. We are dependent on Deuce taking the next step because he has got the youngest legs among our guys. He needs to be our POA defender.

Deuce needs to be one of our most important guys going into the postseason if we want to win the title. When our vets gets outran by younger guys, that's where a guy like Deuce is needed to help us keep up.

It would be a miracle if Brogdon could turn the clock back 3 years ago and be the 6MOTY he was for the Celtics. I'm just not sure if that's asking for too much.

I want Deuce to start but Brogdon brings more size, experience, and ball handling/playmaking ability. Either way I’m good tho.

[JayTWill]

It's happening all around the league. And I have to double check, but it's always happening with players that played for a tanking team. That's the other downside of tanking. Shots some players serviceability.

Off the top of my head I really can't think of any other examples of guys that have been rotational players for years and have a ton of tape signing camp deals to compete for a roster spot outside of the Knicks. I wish I could find the exhibit 9 and 10 deals for other teams over the last couple years. I can only find guys like Kevin Knox, James Wiseman, Harry Giles and Jaden Springer signing these deals.

Marcus Morris comes to mind. Rotational player in Boston, then 23/24, then had non-guarantee deal with the Knicks. Then he declined a 2nd non-guarantee. I don't think Precious is a scrub, but it looks like his next deal will be a non-guarantee deal if he even returns to the NBA. Horford and Bucks probably going to end up with non-guarantee deals, too. This is more of a recent development where rotational players are getting squeezed. Good job, CBA/NBPA.

I mentioned Morris earlier. I was looking for players outside of the Knicks. I have only heard Horford's name mentioned with the Warriors and I feel like he could still get a guaranteed deal somewhere but I could be wrong. I see Precious more in the Knox, Wiseman category of younger guys that have not really found a steady role in the NBA.

Guys like Shamet and Brogdon are pretty much known quantities at this point. I can't imagine choosing one over the other based on a short training camp. It's not like someone like Brogdon will show up for a couple weeks and all of his injury concerns will go out the window.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Called it. Hopefully he starts over Hart

let's start with him making the team.

Well damn, he ain’t washed yet lol

i love him. but his body is the problem. if he's healthy, i'm sure he'll have an opportunity to do big things.