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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#481 » by JB7 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:13 pm

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Brinbe wrote:the fallout won't be egregious just based on who's involved. but the important thing in pablo shining a light is showing us that billionaires can pretty much operate with impunity in anything they do. they fly so far above even the nba. but that's the world that this society has cultivated.

cuban trying his best to superman for his boy ballmer is embarrassing as well. but the billionaires gotta stick together. :lol:


Maybe Zohran Mamdani is right. There shouldn't be billionaires.

I have no problems with billionaires if they paid their fair share of taxes which no billionaire does.


That is just it. If companies were not allowed monopolies, and taxes were actually levied on the rich, you wouldn't necessarily have billionaires. How much wealth does one person need. When you get into this stratosphere, they can operate with impunity.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#482 » by mtcan » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:17 pm

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Maybe Zohran Mamdani is right. There shouldn't be billionaires.

I have no problems with billionaires if they paid their fair share of taxes which no billionaire does.


That is just it. If companies were not allowed monopolies, and taxes were actually levied on the rich, you wouldn't necessarily have billionaires. How much wealth does one person need. When you get into this stratosphere, they can operate with impunity.

Yup...billionaires or oligarchs...people worship them like gods and think they deserve to operate under different rules. End of the day...they bleed when cut and die just like everyone else, maybe on a fancier bed...but they die all the same. Tax the **** out of them.
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#483 » by Senbonzakura » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:19 pm

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Maybe Zohran Mamdani is right. There shouldn't be billionaires.

I have no problems with billionaires if they paid their fair share of taxes which no billionaire does.


That is just it. If companies were not allowed monopolies, and taxes were actually levied on the rich, you wouldn't necessarily have billionaires. How much wealth does one person need. When you get into this stratosphere, they can operate with impunity.


Problem is we tax income not assets. And it's very easy for billionaires to hide their income.

Governments know this btw, they don't want to tax billionaires cause they're owned by them.

This is the world we've created, a new form of the feudalism of the middle ages. Someone can work their ass off and not buy a home while a few hundred people own more than half the wealth.
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Post#484 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:22 pm

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brownbobcat wrote:The only explanation that would even remotely make sense is if they were trying to scam Kawhi in the long term too by trying to convince him to invest money, e.g. your $28M in stock is doing great, here's a special opportunity to buy more, etc. However, that's entirely speculation and zero evidence of that so far.


lol I don't think that's even remotely possible. If they ran something like this, what are the odds that Kawhi would be the only one who got this "special" deal? Why would they specifically target Kawhi to pay out this much money and not the other A-List celebs?

It would obviously be to make Ballmer happy and perhaps finagle more money out of him/LA as well. i.e. Ballmer would somehow be aware that Kawhi is happy with Aspiration but not actually be in the know about the particulars.

To be clear, I don't believe that's the case at all.


lol but why would Ballmer be "happy" that they are paying Kawhi?
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Post#485 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:26 pm

PushDaRock wrote:lol but why would Ballmer be "happy" that they are paying Kawhi?

Not exactly happy that they're paying him, but happy that they made his star happy.

The ideal Ponzi scheme would be never actually paying Kawhi, but making him think he has this great no-show endorsement deal + millions in stock too.

It only works as long as inflows exceed outflows of course.
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Post#486 » by JB7 » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:33 pm

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causal_fan wrote:I have no problems with billionaires if they paid their fair share of taxes which no billionaire does.


That is just it. If companies were not allowed monopolies, and taxes were actually levied on the rich, you wouldn't necessarily have billionaires. How much wealth does one person need. When you get into this stratosphere, they can operate with impunity.


Problem is we tax income not assets. And it's very easy for billionaires to hide their income.

Governments know this btw, they don't want to tax billionaires cause they're owned by them.

This is the world we've created, a new form of the feudalism of the middle ages. Someone can work their ass off and not buy a home while a few hundred people own more than half the wealth.


Some of the billionaires are smart enough to know it sometimes cannot end well for the person on top. Buffet has at times talked about the insanity of what he pays as a percentage for taxes on his wealth compared to say the person cleaning his home.

When the suffering becomes too much, people will respond.
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Post#487 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:35 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:lol but why would Ballmer be "happy" that they are paying Kawhi?

Not exactly happy that they're paying him, but happy that they made his star happy.

The ideal Ponzi scheme would be never actually paying Kawhi, but making him think he has this great no-show endorsement deal + millions in stock too.

It only works as long as inflows exceed outflows of course.


lol so Ballmer finds out Kawhi is happy through back channels but never finds out more details on what Aspiration gave him but the fact that Kawhi is just "happy" is supposed to be enough to get Ballmer to open up the checkbook and give them more money?
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Re: Kawhi "no-show job" that paid $28M 

Post#488 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:38 pm

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/kawhi-leonard-allegations-bring-echoes-of-2019-for-raptors-fans/


Multiple sources have told me that the Raptors — who were led in the contract talks by then-president Masai Ujiri, current general manager Bobby Webster and minority owner Larry Tanenbaum — dismissed Robertson’s requests outright, understanding that they represented a clear and obvious case of salary-cap circumvention.


“It was, like, why would you even suggest that?” said one source.

The tone changed when Leonard ended up signing with Clippers and they were among teams that alerted the league office to the requests Robertson was making on behalf of Leonard. The 2019 NBA Finals MVP signing with the Clippers came on the heels of a season-long public courtship by the Los Angeles club, with Clippers officials in attendance at virtually every Raptors home game to prove their interest in and commitment to the then-pending free agent.

A source close to the situation this week said that at the time, the Raptors were convinced the Clippers had bent to at least some of Robertson’s requests, in some shape or form: stock options or investments in companies that Ballmer, the NBA’s richest owner and one of the world’s wealthiest people, had relationships with; perhaps some kind of phony endorsement deal that has never been made public (some of the documentation that Torre has relied on became available when Aspiration filed for bankruptcy).

Now, they’re surer than ever that something fishy went down in 2019.

The NBA did investigate allegations of tampering and salary-cap circumvention then but found no evidence of wrongdoing, but it will be fascinating to see if it digs a little deeper this time around, given what allegedly seems to be a pattern of behaviour by Robertson and Leonard and Ballmer.

If the allegations levelled by Torre — and the latest, with documentation that late in 2022 Clippers minority owner and long-time Ballmer business partner Dennis Wong sent a one-time, $1.99-million payment to a then-financially distressed Aspiration just days before Leonard was due a $1.75-million installment on his "no-show" endorsement deal with the company, seems like a difficult coincidence to simply explain away.

The joke is clearly over, and the Raptors may have the last laugh, of a sort. But losing out on the chance to defend their 2019 championship with Leonard in the lineup will be a sore spot for Raptors fans for generations.


NBA will come down hard on Clippers if allegations involving Kawhi are true
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-- There is a certain irony that for Tanenbaum, one of his last acts as chairman of the NBA’s Board of Governors will be helping decide the fate of Ballmer and the Clippers. The long-time Raptors owner is — by the terms of the ownership agreement — obligated to begin the process of selling his remaining 20 per cent stake in MLSE to Rogers Communications (which owns Sportsnet, and a 75 per cent share of MLSE) by July 7, 2026.

There are rumblings that the sale of Tanenbaum’s interest could come sooner, but in the meantime, it will be Tanenbaum, who has led the NBA BoG since 2017, who will have a front-row seat into the investigation into the Clippers owner being conducted by a New York law firm at the behest of NBA commissioner Adam Silver. And it will be Tanenbaum who will presumably have a voice in what — if any — sanctions are levelled against Ballmer and the Clippers.

The penalties can include steep fines, the forfeiture of future first-round draft picks and even voiding Leonard’s contract, though how that might work is anyone’s guess, given the Clippers star has signed a three-year, $150-million extension with the Los Angeles team subsequent to the deal he signed in 2021, the circumstances of which have been the subject of Torre’s reporting.

But the appetite around the league for significant sanctions is strong, with one league insider explaining to me that teams risk tampering charges because the penalties aren’t that severe: “It’s like, ‘it’s worth risking a second-round pick if we get the guy.’”

But if the NBA wants its carefully negotiated collective bargaining agreement between the players union and owners to serve its function for creating level playing field and ordered competition, Ballmer and the Clippers will need to be hit hard.

“Otherwise, it will be chaos,” the insider said. “If he gets away with this, what will stop anyone else from doing the same thing?”

Having been the victim of the Clippers alleged subterfuge, chances are Tanenbaum will have some pointed questions as the league conducts its investigation and might be more than willing to drop the hammer if it comes to that.

-- A palate cleanser: All the Raptors have been back in Toronto this week, well in advance of the official opening of training camp on Sept. 29. Almost overnight, the OVO Athletic Centre went from having a quiet summer-campus vibe to all-day bustle with coaches, training staff, players and team staff back in their offices and on the floor, with the Raptors conducting individual workouts and scrimmages.

The exception is free-agent signee Sandro Mamukelashvili, who helped lead Georgia to a surprising run to the quarterfinals at EuroBasket. The former Spur saved his best for last in a strong overall showing at the tournament, scoring 22 points on 8-of-15 shooting (2-of-5 from three) in a 39-minute outing in a loss to equally surprising Finland, which will play Germany in the semifinals Friday. Greece and Turkey are the other semi-finalists.

-- Palate cleanser II: I was able to catch up with former Raptor and current Indiana Pacers star Pascal Siakam recently. It was a short off-season for Siakam, who helped Indiana to a valiant run to the NBA Finals before losing in seven games to the heavily favoured Oklahoma City Thunder in late June, but Siakam still found the time to build on the work his charitable foundation — PS43 — started north of the border during his seven-year tenure with the Raptors and he’s continued even since he was traded to Indiana in January 2024.

On Sept. 3, Siakam was in New Brunswick, making an appearance in rural Gagetown to meet with kids who were participants in his long-running Data Dunkers program, where students from Grade 5-12 develop their skills in data science through basketball statistics. Later, he was on campus at the University of New Brunswick in Fredericton to accept an honorary degree from the school in recognition of his charitable work and the scholarship program for Cameroonian students to attend UNB he’s been supporting.

“You want to help kids all over the world, but if you have an opportunity to help someone from where you’re from, I think it makes it even, even more special,” Siakam told me. “And when we had an opportunity to create a scholarship with the University of New Brunswick, I mean, it was, it was so amazing. And we have a couple of kids (from Cameroon) already going through school and doing things that, without our help, they probably wouldn't be able to do is just super awesome.”

And as for Siakam’s ongoing Canadian connection? “It’s always amazing, like, the admiration and the love, like everywhere that I've been in Canada has always been good, you know?” said Siakam, whose long-term goal with his foundation is to build a school in his native Cameroon.

“Canada feels like home for me because coming in as a young man, I learned literally everything here. I learned how to drive in Canada, and with us winning a championship and all the amazing things were able to do here, the bond will be there forever, I think.”

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Post#489 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:39 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
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PushDaRock wrote:lol but why would Ballmer be "happy" that they are paying Kawhi?

Not exactly happy that they're paying him, but happy that they made his star happy.

The ideal Ponzi scheme would be never actually paying Kawhi, but making him think he has this great no-show endorsement deal + millions in stock too.

It only works as long as inflows exceed outflows of course.


lol so Ballmer finds out Kawhi is happy through back channels but never finds out more details on what Aspiration gave him but the fact that Kawhi is just "happy" is supposed to be enough to get Ballmer to open up the checkbook and give them more money?

Uncle Dennis, word of mouth, etc. Not too dissimilar than how Madoff kept getting more and more clients. Or why Aspiration wanted the LAC jersey patch - to generate more inflows.

It's an established fact that Ballmer made the introduction, now he just has to think things are going well. It's a very, very, very long shot.
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Post#490 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:43 pm

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brownbobcat wrote:Not exactly happy that they're paying him, but happy that they made his star happy.

The ideal Ponzi scheme would be never actually paying Kawhi, but making him think he has this great no-show endorsement deal + millions in stock too.

It only works as long as inflows exceed outflows of course.


lol so Ballmer finds out Kawhi is happy through back channels but never finds out more details on what Aspiration gave him but the fact that Kawhi is just "happy" is supposed to be enough to get Ballmer to open up the checkbook and give them more money?

Uncle Dennis, word of mouth, etc. Not too dissimilar than how Madoff kept getting more and more clients. Or why Aspiration wanted the LAC jersey patch - to generate more inflows.

It's an established fact that Ballmer made the introduction, now he just has to think things are going well. It's a very, very, very long shot.


lol word of mouth? Who even knew about this?

I'm well aware of how ponzi schemes work, I've just never known of one that only targets one person.
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Post#492 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:53 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:
lol so Ballmer finds out Kawhi is happy through back channels but never finds out more details on what Aspiration gave him but the fact that Kawhi is just "happy" is supposed to be enough to get Ballmer to open up the checkbook and give them more money?

Uncle Dennis, word of mouth, etc. Not too dissimilar than how Madoff kept getting more and more clients. Or why Aspiration wanted the LAC jersey patch - to generate more inflows.

It's an established fact that Ballmer made the introduction, now he just has to think things are going well. It's a very, very, very long shot.


lol word of mouth? Who even knew about this?

I'm well aware of how ponzi schemes work, I've just never known of one that only targets one person.

Ballmer already admitted that he knew there was a deal - just that he didn't know the details.

There would be no purpose in having the deal (cap circumventing or not) only to keep it hidden from Ballmer.
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Post#493 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:00 pm

brownbobcat wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
brownbobcat wrote:Uncle Dennis, word of mouth, etc. Not too dissimilar than how Madoff kept getting more and more clients. Or why Aspiration wanted the LAC jersey patch - to generate more inflows.

It's an established fact that Ballmer made the introduction, now he just has to think things are going well. It's a very, very, very long shot.


lol word of mouth? Who even knew about this?

I'm well aware of how ponzi schemes work, I've just never known of one that only targets one person.

Ballmer already admitted that he knew there was a deal - just that he didn't know the details.

There would be no purpose in having the deal (cap circumventing or not) only to keep it hidden from Ballmer.


lol why would they need to keep it hidden from Ballmer? If he only made the introduction, what rule did he break?

Here, let me make up a better story. After the intro from Ballmer, Aspiration offered Kawhi a "REAL" endorsement deal in line with the other celebs. But, while Uncle Dennis was doing his research into Aspiration to decide whether to accept the deal, he discovered some funny business going on. He then goes to Aspiration and hints to them that they might want to keep him quiet about what he found and not tell Ballmer about it and that they might want to pay his nephew an endorsement deal for 28m and 20m in stock options to "forget" about what he saw.
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Post#494 » by djsunyc » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:34 pm

what is cuban getting out of this?
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Post#495 » by brownbobcat » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:50 pm

PushDaRock wrote:lol why would they need to keep it hidden from Ballmer? If he only made the introduction, what rule did he break?

Here, let me make up a better story. After the intro from Ballmer, Aspiration offered Kawhi a "REAL" endorsement deal in line with the other celebs. But, while Uncle Dennis was doing his research into Aspiration to decide whether to accept the deal, he discovered some funny business going on. He then goes to Aspiration and hints to them that they might want to keep him quiet about what he found and not tell Ballmer about it and that they might want to pay his nephew an endorsement deal for 28m and 20m in stock options to "forget" about what he saw.

I never said there was reason to keep it hidden from Ballmer, quite the opposite. I'm giving one possible but very unlikely reason for a no-show deal that had nothing to do with cap circumvention - that it was intended to be a no-money deal too. You've given another very unlikely possibility.

I think the truth is likely the obvious explanation - cap circumvention. Ballmer promises Kawhi in 2019 that he'll get him more money somehow, and the opportunity shows up in 2021.
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Post#496 » by causal_fan » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:52 pm

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lol word of mouth? Who even knew about this?

I'm well aware of how ponzi schemes work, I've just never known of one that only targets one person.

Ballmer already admitted that he knew there was a deal - just that he didn't know the details.

There would be no purpose in having the deal (cap circumventing or not) only to keep it hidden from Ballmer.


lol why would they need to keep it hidden from Ballmer? If he only made the introduction, what rule did he break?

Here, let me make up a better story. After the intro from Ballmer, Aspiration offered Kawhi a "REAL" endorsement deal in line with the other celebs. But, while Uncle Dennis was doing his research into Aspiration to decide whether to accept the deal, he discovered some funny business going on. He then goes to Aspiration and hints to them that they might want to keep him quiet about what he found and not tell Ballmer about it and that they might want to pay his nephew an endorsement deal for 28m and 20m in stock options to "forget" about what he saw.

This is the silliest explanation I've read.
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Post#497 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:55 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:lol why would they need to keep it hidden from Ballmer? If he only made the introduction, what rule did he break?

Here, let me make up a better story. After the intro from Ballmer, Aspiration offered Kawhi a "REAL" endorsement deal in line with the other celebs. But, while Uncle Dennis was doing his research into Aspiration to decide whether to accept the deal, he discovered some funny business going on. He then goes to Aspiration and hints to them that they might want to keep him quiet about what he found and not tell Ballmer about it and that they might want to pay his nephew an endorsement deal for 28m and 20m in stock options to "forget" about what he saw.

I never said there was reason to keep it hidden from Ballmer, quite the opposite. I'm giving one possible but very unlikely reason for a no-show deal that had nothing to do with cap circumvention - that it was intended to be a no-money deal too. You've given another very unlikely possibility.

I think the truth is likely the obvious explanation - cap circumvention. Ballmer promises Kawhi in 2019 that he'll get him more money somehow, and the opportunity shows up in 2021.


lol yes but I think my explanation makes more sense than yours, because at least the incentives make sense

In your explanation, Baller claims he doesn't know any endorsement details but why would he not know the details when the whole point to Aspiration paying Kawhi was so Ballmer did in fact know what they did for him? There was also nothing stopping Ballmer from knowing as you said before.
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Post#498 » by PushDaRock » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:57 pm

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brownbobcat wrote:Ballmer already admitted that he knew there was a deal - just that he didn't know the details.

There would be no purpose in having the deal (cap circumventing or not) only to keep it hidden from Ballmer.


lol why would they need to keep it hidden from Ballmer? If he only made the introduction, what rule did he break?

Here, let me make up a better story. After the intro from Ballmer, Aspiration offered Kawhi a "REAL" endorsement deal in line with the other celebs. But, while Uncle Dennis was doing his research into Aspiration to decide whether to accept the deal, he discovered some funny business going on. He then goes to Aspiration and hints to them that they might want to keep him quiet about what he found and not tell Ballmer about it and that they might want to pay his nephew an endorsement deal for 28m and 20m in stock options to "forget" about what he saw.

This is the silliest explanation I've read.


Steve Ballmer already personally thanked me, so it couldn't have been that silly :D
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Post#499 » by NinjaBro » Sat Sep 13, 2025 12:19 am

djsunyc wrote:what is cuban getting out of this?
According to Cuban he's doing it for fun. Yes a billionaire spending his free time arguing on Twitter.
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Post#500 » by C Court » Sat Sep 13, 2025 12:36 am

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djsunyc wrote:what is cuban getting out of this?
According to Cuban he's doing it for fun. Yes a billionaire spending his free time arguing on Twitter.


Cuban doesn’t want to burn a bridge with one of the wealthiest guys on the planet. You never know when you’re going to be looking for investment cash for your next venture and having Ballmer on your side isn’t a bad thing.
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