Shams: Brogdon joins Knicks

[JayTWill]

Shamet or Brogdan won’t be in the rotation.

Brogdon is a better player than Clarkson. The only question with Brogdon is his health.

Clarkson's offensive skillset might not be something the Knicks actually need UNLESS Brunson, Bridges, Anunoby, or KAT get hurt.

There's a decent chance OG will miss time; he usually does. Last year was an outlier.

Brogdon does a lot of good things, sure Shamet and/or Matthews are "stay in their lane, accept a role" kind of player, but Knicks need another guy who can create his own shot at an elite level from all 3 levels of scoring, because other than Brunson and the injury question mark that Brogdon is, the roster sort of lacks that player.

Can Mikal create? Yes. He's hardly elite though. Probably 4th best guy after Clarkson.
OG? Not really. Ok, a little.
KAT? Sure, but he's better getting set up. He's a big.
Deuce? No.
Yabu? Eh
Hart? In the open floor, yes. In the halfcourt? Eh.
Mitch? No. Huk? No. Dadiet? No.

It's ok for Clarkson to be on the Knicks. They can use what he does.

Ummmmm but what about the defense?

[TheGreenArrow]

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Jalen Brunson, Miles ‘Deuce' McBride, and new additions in Jordan Clarkson and Brogdon would give the team depth at guard. This could logjam incoming second-year guard Tyler Kolek behind the group of veteran ball handlers. Moving Kolek could afford the 24-year-old opportunity that he would not get in New York. At least one opposing team has demonstrated interest in Kolek this offseason, ClutchPoints also learned.

[Capn'O]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

[thebuzzardman]

His offense is pretty abysmal, too. Its just his defense is so glaringly bad that it distracts from his 33/30/77 shooting %.

Even a washed brogdon is a massive upgrade from kolek.

Kolek might yet pan out to be a decent backup.
That doesn't mean the Knicks need to hold on to him waiting for it to happen.

Also, these are players on the Knicks who I have as developmental, to one degree or another:

Huk
Dadiet
McCullars
Dink
Diawara
Kolek

That's more than 1/3 a 17 man roster.

Even though McCullars, Dink, Diawara and Dadiet are SFs, or at least SGs, and Kolek is the only "PG prospect", it's not like the Knicks won't have some young guys to develop and then either play or deal. They can deal him and then find another 2nd round PG guy to develop. For all we know, they already like someone at Westchester better, but my memory of their roster doesn't work in the offseason.

Before Brunson I'd have been excited about kolek as a prospect. but with our current expectations we need a serviceable back up. Kolek isnt it. And considering the other prospects we have id rather keep them. He is the weakest one with little to no path for major mins and a long road to even being serviceable.

Well, maybe Clarkson could have been that kind of Payne+ backup PG and they could have still retained Kolek, but this core has another 3 or 4 years so the time to stop f*cking around is now so no issue for me.

[thebuzzardman]

Brogdon is a better player than Clarkson. The only question with Brogdon is his health.

Clarkson's offensive skillset might not be something the Knicks actually need UNLESS Brunson, Bridges, Anunoby, or KAT get hurt.

There's a decent chance OG will miss time; he usually does. Last year was an outlier.

Brogdon does a lot of good things, sure Shamet and/or Matthews are "stay in their lane, accept a role" kind of player, but Knicks need another guy who can create his own shot at an elite level from all 3 levels of scoring, because other than Brunson and the injury question mark that Brogdon is, the roster sort of lacks that player.

Can Mikal create? Yes. He's hardly elite though. Probably 4th best guy after Clarkson.
OG? Not really. Ok, a little.
KAT? Sure, but he's better getting set up. He's a big.
Deuce? No.
Yabu? Eh
Hart? In the open floor, yes. In the halfcourt? Eh.
Mitch? No. Huk? No. Dadiet? No.

It's ok for Clarkson to be on the Knicks. They can use what he does.

Ummmmm but what about the defense?

A bench guy making the minimum isn’t going to do everything well. He’s a designated scorer with secondary or tertiary play making ability

[TheGreenArrow]

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Nah not pacome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Besart19]

we are starting McBride folks

Brunson / Brogdon / Kolek / Wright or Pate
McBride / Clarkson / Shamet / Matthews
Bridges / Hart / McCullar / Beauchamp
Anunoby / Yabusele / Dadiet / Diawara
Towns / Robinson / Hukporti / Nnaji

our training camp roster is all set

[Capn'O]

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Nah not pacome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What'd I just say Greenie? He's the one teams would ask about.

Honestly, I kind of hope for it for his sake. He'll see only emergency minutes for us, even with the coaching change.

[Besart19]

Westchester Knicks will have a great team this season

[JayTWill]

There's a decent chance OG will miss time; he usually does. Last year was an outlier.

Brogdon does a lot of good things, sure Shamet and/or Matthews are "stay in their lane, accept a role" kind of player, but Knicks need another guy who can create his own shot at an elite level from all 3 levels of scoring, because other than Brunson and the injury question mark that Brogdon is, the roster sort of lacks that player.

Can Mikal create? Yes. He's hardly elite though. Probably 4th best guy after Clarkson.
OG? Not really. Ok, a little.
KAT? Sure, but he's better getting set up. He's a big.
Deuce? No.
Yabu? Eh
Hart? In the open floor, yes. In the halfcourt? Eh.
Mitch? No. Huk? No. Dadiet? No.

It's ok for Clarkson to be on the Knicks. They can use what he does.

Ummmmm but what about the defense?

A bench guy making the minimum isn’t going to do everything well. He’s a designated scorer with secondary or tertiary play making ability

Yeah, I know we can't fix every issue for the vet min. It just feels weird that the team is built around one of the worst defensive guards in the league and they are attempting to help him by adding more ageing poor defensive guards. They just got knocked out in the postseason by the Pacers giving up 129, 124, 125 and 128 per 100 possessions in those 4 losses but somehow we still want to focus on the offense.

[ctorres]

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Nah not pacome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know what it is, but every time you post tweets, they never show up on my end

[Guano]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

[F N 11]

Windy said Knicks were on Brogdan for 2 months but he wanted to see if he got a better deal.

[Capn'O]

Horford is waiting for the Warriors to figure out Kuminga. I actually thought Brogdon was too.

He might have been and just said **** it because it's taking so long. Good for us.

[Capn'O]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

[BKlutch]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

Never underestimate those Scandinavian blueberry muffings. They presently account for 30% of Zion's excess weight.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I’m sure it be easier to trade Dadiet but they really should keep him. Someone will eventually take kolek.

[Richard4444]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

He has potential. But even in G league he was raw. 15/5.4/3.6 on 41/32/84.

[3toheadmelo]

There's a decent chance OG will miss time; he usually does. Last year was an outlier.

Brogdon does a lot of good things, sure Shamet and/or Matthews are "stay in their lane, accept a role" kind of player, but Knicks need another guy who can create his own shot at an elite level from all 3 levels of scoring, because other than Brunson and the injury question mark that Brogdon is, the roster sort of lacks that player.

Can Mikal create? Yes. He's hardly elite though. Probably 4th best guy after Clarkson.
OG? Not really. Ok, a little.
KAT? Sure, but he's better getting set up. He's a big.
Deuce? No.
Yabu? Eh
Hart? In the open floor, yes. In the halfcourt? Eh.
Mitch? No. Huk? No. Dadiet? No.

It's ok for Clarkson to be on the Knicks. They can use what he does.

Ummmmm but what about the defense?

A bench guy making the minimum isn’t going to do everything well. He’s a designated scorer with secondary or tertiary play making ability

Jaytwill been on a mission to hate on clarkson since we didnt sign his boy ben simmons

[Capn'O]

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

He has potential. But even in G league he was raw. 15/5.4/3.6 on 41/32/84.

Sure, but that's why teams are interested in him.