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Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1441 » by Kanyewest » Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:13 pm

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AFM wrote:Of course Reddit thinks so lol. They are desperate to paint him as a right winger, it’s this fun game we do in America every time there’s a shooting. But as I posted, the people who knew him IRL say he was liberal. Parents were republican. Classic rebelling against parents/environment scenario


Yeah maybe this tweet comes from the left although my friend who shared it is more right that shared it with me

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Also another friend, who is a friend of a friend of Charlie Kirk also thinks that the kids is Groyper.

My other friend who is more left is saying that the entire family is MAGA.

It will be interesting to hear the New York Times/Wall Street Journal breakdown (although the Wall Street journal already got criticism for misreporting the story).



I spend too much time online so I can clear this up a little. Fuentes and Kirk didn't like each other because Fuentes is openly a fascist and a white nationalist and thought Kirk was a gatekeeper, and part of the establishment. Regardless of whatever's been said about Kirk, Fuentes is far to the right of him and that is where their differences lied. The idea that a Fuentes follower would write a bunch of antifascist memes on ammunition and shoot Kirk makes zero sense.


Anyway I think that is enough internet for me today. Can only watch videos of a young guys neck explode so many times, or people being gleeful about it, or people threatening vengeance so much. I am off to make a giant pot of adas polo.


Yeah, I don't think Fuentes is directly telling his supporters to go after Charlie Kirk but left wing or right wing, this person is sick in the head. Also clearly didn't have an escape plan either, and was planning to return to life as normal with his dad turning him in.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1442 » by Kanyewest » Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:47 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1443 » by AFM » Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:52 pm

Got a single source for that? A Nick Fuentes fan (a fascist) said Charlie Kirk was "spreading hate" so he shot him?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1444 » by Kanyewest » Fri Sep 12, 2025 10:58 pm

Dinner implying that the shooter is left wing and hated Charlie Kirk but also a right leaning source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15092799/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-family-dinner.html
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1445 » by Kanyewest » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:04 pm

AFM wrote:Got a single source for that? A Nick Fuentes fan (a fascist) said Charlie Kirk was "spreading hate" so he shot him?

David Schuster is a journalist although left leaning. He has worked for MSNBC - followed by AOC, Ro Khanna, and Rachel Maddow.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1446 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Sep 12, 2025 11:59 pm

I mean, clearly the whole "trans ideology" slander was a delusional invention. Shame on everyone involved in that bit of evil lying
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1447 » by AFM » Sat Sep 13, 2025 1:04 am

Important update: 2 hours later I have 3 giant pots of adas polo.
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Post#1448 » by dobrojim » Sat Sep 13, 2025 4:29 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1449 » by pancakes3 » Sat Sep 13, 2025 11:06 am

Kanyewest wrote:
AFM wrote:Got a single source for that? A Nick Fuentes fan (a fascist) said Charlie Kirk was "spreading hate" so he shot him?

David Schuster is a journalist although left leaning. He has worked for MSNBC - followed by AOC, Ro Khanna, and Rachel Maddow.


We live in a post-fact world for many people out there, and the term "fascist" has lost its meaning. And there's no use in trying to apply reason because if this kid is a true believer of far right propaganda, he cannot be reasoned with. If someone is earnestly bought into far right ideology, leftists probably do look like fascists if leftists are actually doing what the propaganda proposes:

- forced education on woke doctrine is fascist
- forced conformity to woke ideology like accepting LGBTQ+ is fascist
- criminalizing speech, even hate speech is fascist
- governmental monitoring of citizens through pretextual vaccines is fascist
- putting fluoride in the water to turn the frogs gay is fascist

and if Charlie is to the left of Fuentes, then he's a leftist, there's no room for nuance or gradation, the same as how many people on the left are ignorant and/or dismissive as to the nuance of Kirk being to the left of Fuentes - they're both right wing fascists.
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Post#1450 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Sep 13, 2025 11:23 am

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Zonkerbl wrote:Indications are that kirk's shooter, who is white and comes from a gun loving maga family, may have been a right winger. Calls for blood on the right have suddenly gotten very quiet.

Thank God if true


I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote anti fascist memes and ciao bello on his rounds, then shot THE prominent right wing pundit of our time, is not a right winger. Like wtf.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-shooter-suspect-latest-news-updates-donald-trump-utah

In a phone interview on Friday, one of Tyler Robinson’s high school friends, who asked to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.

“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.


Also just seems like common sense...


https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lyozegvmoc2j

Y'know that Guardian article which cited an anonymous friend of Tyler Robinson claiming he was the only "leftist" in his family?

It just got updated after the "verified source" decided he couldn't remember his "relationship" with the accused shooter well enough to be quoted


Just to keep track, we’re back to no evidence at all he was left wing, and a whole bunch of groyper memes. There’s no real ideology here. These shooters are nihilists who are out competing with each other more than anything.
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Post#1451 » by Zonkerbl » Sat Sep 13, 2025 11:50 am

And by the way, Charlie Kirk did not practice politics "the right way." Charlie Kirk insisted that people debate him, but refused to debate in good faith. He refused to acknowledge the existence of facts that contradicted his point of view. He refused to apologize and recant when caught out in a lie. He was not persuadable. If you are spreading propaganda on behalf of your patron demagogue without any possibility of being persuaded, that is not debating in good faith. To argue in bad faith is bad because it undermines trust in the very idea of productive debate, no matter what topic you are defending. But to argue in bad faith specifically to advocate for white nationalist totalitarianism is Bad Politics tm.

This is a guy whose debate tactic was to gather a bunch of unprepared liberals around him and insult them, goading them into saying something in the heat of the moment that he could post to youtube. That's not debate. That's bullying. The rare times he was confronted with a lie he would change the topic, move the goalposts, and pretend the fact he was confronted with didn't exist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html
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Post#1452 » by Zonkerbl » Sat Sep 13, 2025 1:05 pm

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lyozegvmoc2j

The classmate claiming Kirk's shooter was liberal didn't know him and made it up
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXIV 

Post#1454 » by AFM » Sat Sep 13, 2025 7:02 pm

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Post#1456 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Sep 13, 2025 8:48 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I mean, clearly the whole "trans ideology" slander was a delusional invention. Shame on everyone involved in that bit of evil lying


You see the bit released I think Thursday night, that what tipped them off that the shooter might be trans, lol, was that that there were the letters T, R, and N stamped onto the bottom of the bullet, which is apparently code for where the bullet was manufactured (some town with a "T R and N" in the name). I wouldn't know that, because I've literally never picked up a gun, ever, and the only bullet I've ever touched is from some sort of M61 type machine gun or whatever (big and long). The fact that one of their guys leaked that to the media, when their whole party is littered with gun nuts and would absolutely know what the TRN referred to is absolutely flabbergasting to me. Just insane.

even more insane is that they are actually following exactly the playbook I mentioned in a previous post, arguing that 1 semester in college clearly turned him into a male feminist, communist, trans, poly leftist freak....I'd love to have it confirmed, but someone on twitter mentioned in a rejoinder to such moronic takes, that he actually was a zoom college student, and wasn't even physically attending. The willingness to lie about this is just apocalyptically bad, and so ridiculous.

If they could only start from a simple premise:

We have no idea if he's left, center, or right, let's dig in and find out with our investigation.

But no, they simply can't handle that. And what's even more absurd about it, is if you just throw out this info:

White

Male

Conservative Family

Mormon

Hunted since he was single digits old

Can hit something from 300 yards with an old school, scoped Mauser.

Like what percentage of random liberals would that be true of, versus conservatives, just in a pool of people from Utah?

Those pieces of information alone, would put your betting odds at like what, 40-1 that the dudes a liberal, at best, and like 1 to 25 that they're a conservative on some betting site.

This shouldn't be hard.

Dude still could be a liberal btw, who knows. Anyone can be a liberal or conservative after all, regardless of your community, but the odds were always that the motivation behind this would be bizarre. Utterly bizarre. If it's a school shooting, it's up for grabs, but a scoped shot from distance, in freaking Utah? The odds are definitely going to tilt away from "Portland Pink Haired, Trans Candy ---."

It reminds me of how they managed to convince 80% of republican registered people that the '20 election was stolen, when literally every lever of the election system is already tilted heavily in their favor, period, from the electoral college, to the senate tilt towards red states, to gerrymandering habits (100% of red states aggressively gerrymander, about 1/4 to 1/3 of Dems do, the rest tend to vote for independent commissions like California), and on top of all that, as we've seen in multiple states, if Dem's actually win state elections, republican legislators immediately divest the executive (governor position) of the traditional powers they'd exercise as governor) and lastly Scotus has already been caught with its pants down, approving blockages of Biden executive orders more than 90% of the time, while rejecting democratic blockages of Trump executive orders and other such act 80% of the time. So essentially, if you pass an insanely illegal executive order, Scout is with you if your name is Trump, and will block you if your name is Biden? Huh? Wonder why that is?

Like who is getting ----'ed here? Is it not blatantly obvious it's the Dems? How do these idiots not understand this?

To top everything off, they celebrate their anti-tax stance, by having low state based tax rates, or none at all, and then turn around and suck down gigantic gallons and gallons of federal tax money out of NY, and California to help pay for grants to cover their unwillingness to tax themselves.

WE NEED TO BREAK UP NOW. It is so far beyond enough already. I am more than willing to share a state with conservatives, I am not willing to share a state with right wing maga morons (and ftr, I don't want to hear from the clinically insane part of the left either, luckily for us, it's a much smaller share of our party (if not on social media) and a largely politically powerless portion of it).
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Post#1457 » by Zonkerbl » Sat Sep 13, 2025 11:14 pm

The four inscriptions on the bullets are quotes from video games. The "anti-fascist" one is from Helldivers 2", the ciao bellow one is from heart of iron. The only thing that means is he was terminally online. There's no political bias to be inferred from it. Same goes for "if you read this, you're gay"

Dude was probably just a nutjob with easy access to guns
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Post#1458 » by AFM » Sat Sep 13, 2025 11:57 pm

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Post#1459 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Sep 14, 2025 2:04 am

Zonkerbl wrote:And by the way, Charlie Kirk did not practice politics "the right way." Charlie Kirk insisted that people debate him, but refused to debate in good faith. He refused to acknowledge the existence of facts that contradicted his point of view. He refused to apologize and recant when caught out in a lie. He was not persuadable. If you are spreading propaganda on behalf of your patron demagogue without any possibility of being persuaded, that is not debating in good faith. To argue in bad faith is bad because it undermines trust in the very idea of productive debate, no matter what topic you are defending. But to argue in bad faith specifically to advocate for white nationalist totalitarianism is Bad Politics tm.

This is a guy whose debate tactic was to gather a bunch of unprepared liberals around him and insult them, goading them into saying something in the heat of the moment that he could post to youtube. That's not debate. That's bullying. The rare times he was confronted with a lie he would change the topic, move the goalposts, and pretend the fact he was confronted with didn't exist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html
I did not know a thing about him. Sound bytes make him seem willing to debate, although his views were ultra conservative.

You're giving the answer to what I wondered. Did he faux debate? All talk but intractable in his views? Apparently so. In that case, Charlie Kirk was just spreading propaganda to promote only like-minded ideas to his kind of people.

That type of person is a misanthrope.
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Post#1460 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Sep 14, 2025 2:06 am

Zonkerbl wrote:The four inscriptions on the bullets are quotes from video games. The "anti-fascist" one is from Helldivers 2", the ciao bellow one is from heart of iron. The only thing that means is he was terminally online. There's no political bias to be inferred from it. Same goes for "if you read this, you're gay"

Dude was probably just a nutjob with easy access to guns
Tyler Robinson sounds like a PK, preacher's kid, who went rogue.

Were his parents pious and insistent on draconian views? Did pops instill that gun love?

Tyler is hard core. Whack job. But hard core.
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