Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[whatisacenter]

lol Kuminga trying to screw up our FA by signing QO on the last day. Good job pal now you will be the 15th man and stick to the bench forever

The Warriors current offer sucks and JK has no incentive to sign it.

The Warriors current offer does not suck, this is the best offer in the entire league.
I think he should leave the league and play in China then. Why is he still here?

Why is he still here? Because he’s a restricted free agent.

He’s just at the beginning of a long NBA career.

Try not taking it so personally.

[bay2hk]

Looks like Kuminga’s camp is trying to stir up our offer base on this article.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-could-target-jonathan-kuminga-after-signing-josh-giddey

I doubt JK takes the QO. If he was going to he would have done it already. Waiting to the last minute to sign will just create bad will and less PT next season. JK is holding out for a better offer from the Warriors, which we will not give him.

[xdrta+]

Looks like Kuminga’s camp is trying to stir up our offer base on this article.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-could-target-jonathan-kuminga-after-signing-josh-giddey

I doubt JK takes the QO. If he was going to he would have done it already. Waiting to the last minute to sign will just create bad will and less PT next season. JK is holding out for a better offer from the Warriors, which we will not give him.

Less playing time? Nah, Kerr will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. He may not be right about who it is, but if he thinks it's JK he'll play him as long as he thinks that. Once the season starts no one is going to care about the QO, or this summer, that's for the media and fans to agonize over.

[CS707]

lol Kuminga trying to screw up our FA by signing QO on the last day. Good job pal now you will be the 15th man and stick to the bench forever

The Warriors current offer sucks and JK has no incentive to sign it.

The incentive is not being the 15th man and being stuck on the bench forever.

[CS707]

I just wonder how he sees this season playing out for him.

I’m intrigued by this as well.

Cam Thomas also risked the QO, but he’s at least in a situation where he’s scored 20+ ppg 2 years in a row as a fulltime starter with nobody thats going to oust him from his spot this year. He has a clear path to go score 24+ again with more efficiency to earn a bigger paycheck.

JK is behind Jimmy and Dray and even if he plays next to them it kills our spacing and forces Dray and Jimmy to get more beat up playing the 4/5. Then you got 3 centers that could keep Kuminga from getting minutes in smallball. And Moody improving could steal minutes at the 3/4. Not to mention the same system that doesn’t provide him with pick and rolls and isos that other systems would.

I’d rank the best options as:

1) somehow get a S&T done where Warriors get Kispert or Ellis and Kuminga gets consistent 30 minutes starting in Sac or DC (likely sac even in a Kispert deal as 3rd team).

2) sign Kuminga longterm (like 4/80) where he can keep steadily building a role until he’s getting 25ppg post Steph and easily tradeable if needed (Monta like scenario).

3) However the QO or a 2 year deal play out… which I just dont have high hopes for it ending well for either party.

I still think the Warriors offer is actually better for him long term than playing on the QO, even if he gives up leverage with the option. Tradability is the only leverage he has with regard to how the team uses him next season. They'll want him to look good as long as he's an asset. That's what I meant about wondering how he expects it to play out if he takes the QO. He's essentially an expiring contract of no future benefit at that point. Zero incentive for the organization to try and maximize his value. I get him wanting to do what's right for his career long term, I just don't think the QO is it.

[Ilovethebay]

Looks like Kuminga’s camp is trying to stir up our offer base on this article.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-could-target-jonathan-kuminga-after-signing-josh-giddey

I doubt JK takes the QO. If he was going to he would have done it already. Waiting to the last minute to sign will just create bad will and less PT next season. JK is holding out for a better offer from the Warriors, which we will not give him.

Less playing time? Nah, Kerr will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. He may not be right about who it is, but if he thinks it's JK he'll play him as long as he thinks that. Once the season starts no one is going to care about the QO, or this summer, that's for the media and fans to agonize over.

+1. People dislike JK so much that they can’t see this most basic simple logic. How dumb do you have to be to believe anything but this.

[DonaldSanders]

Steve will still play him but there will be no incentive to feature him for a trade or invest extra minutes for development. Signing the QO will certainly lead to reduced playtime right when he needs it.

[whatisacenter]

lol Kuminga trying to screw up our FA by signing QO on the last day. Good job pal now you will be the 15th man and stick to the bench forever

The Warriors current offer sucks and JK has no incentive to sign it.

The incentive is not being the 15th man and being stuck on the bench forever.

lol, so just like last season?

He already doesn’t trust Kerr to play him.

[EvanZ]

Looks like Kuminga’s camp is trying to stir up our offer base on this article.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-could-target-jonathan-kuminga-after-signing-josh-giddey

I doubt JK takes the QO. If he was going to he would have done it already. Waiting to the last minute to sign will just create bad will and less PT next season. JK is holding out for a better offer from the Warriors, which we will not give him.

Less playing time? Nah, Kerr will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. He may not be right about who it is, but if he thinks it's JK he'll play him as long as he thinks that. Once the season starts no one is going to care about the QO, or this summer, that's for the media and fans to agonize over.

I mean he objectively didn't get minutes in the exact moments they were trying to win in the playoffs until Steph got hurt and there was no choice. So...

[xdrta+]

Looks like Kuminga’s camp is trying to stir up our offer base on this article.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/chicago-bulls-could-target-jonathan-kuminga-after-signing-josh-giddey

I doubt JK takes the QO. If he was going to he would have done it already. Waiting to the last minute to sign will just create bad will and less PT next season. JK is holding out for a better offer from the Warriors, which we will not give him.

Less playing time? Nah, Kerr will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. He may not be right about who it is, but if he thinks it's JK he'll play him as long as he thinks that. Once the season starts no one is going to care about the QO, or this summer, that's for the media and fans to agonize over.

I mean he objectively didn't get minutes in the exact moments they were trying to win in the playoffs until Steph got hurt and there was no choice. So...

So? Kerr's always trying to win. He obviously didn't think he'd help them win at that point.

[EvanZ]

Less playing time? Nah, Kerr will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. He may not be right about who it is, but if he thinks it's JK he'll play him as long as he thinks that. Once the season starts no one is going to care about the QO, or this summer, that's for the media and fans to agonize over.

I mean he objectively didn't get minutes in the exact moments they were trying to win in the playoffs until Steph got hurt and there was no choice. So...

So? Kerr's always trying to win. He obviously didn't think he'd help them win at that point.

Right. So what makes you think he will suddenly change his mind on JK? I'm not understanding that logic.

[xdrta+]

I mean he objectively didn't get minutes in the exact moments they were trying to win in the playoffs until Steph got hurt and there was no choice. So...

So? Kerr's always trying to win. He obviously didn't think he'd help them win at that point.

Right. So what makes you think he will suddenly change his mind on JK? I'm not understanding that logic.

Who said he'll change his mind? I said if he thinks he'll help them win he'll play him.

[AirP.]

Although he doesn't say the offer is pulled during this video segment (nor did he say the offer was still out there), the ticker once again today says that he and Shams are reporting the 2-year offer has been pulled, I do wonder if that just means they've pulled the official 2-year offer but they're still talking.

20 seconds in the ticker saying the offer was pulled comes up.

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[AirP.]

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[CS707]

The Warriors current offer sucks and JK has no incentive to sign it.

The incentive is not being the 15th man and being stuck on the bench forever.

lol, so just like last season?

He already doesn’t trust Kerr to play him.

It's the only leverage he has.

Unless he wants to show up to camp with an improved skillset and willingness to buy into a role that gets him on the floor constantly.

I wonder if FanDuel has odds for that happening.

[watch1958]

With the way the roster is built the thing I am most certain about is that Moody will lose most of his minutes. Kerr gonna be Kerr.

[Crazy-Canuck]

With the way the roster is built the thing I am most certain about is that Moody will lose most of his minutes. Kerr gonna be Kerr.

If the team spent half the amount of time on developing moody that they spent on kuminga and wiseman, no one would care about kuminga.

[wco81]

Windhorst says that some RFA disputes have gone into December.

How could that be, wouldn't the player have to sign some contract before the season started?

Or maybe some RFA players held out through December?

[whatisacenter]

Windhorst says that some RFA disputes have gone into December.

How could that be, wouldn't the player have to sign some contract before the season started?

Or maybe some RFA players held out through December?

10/1 is the deadline but it can be extended if both sides agree. At least as I understand it.

[whatisacenter]

The incentive is not being the 15th man and being stuck on the bench forever.

lol, so just like last season?

He already doesn’t trust Kerr to play him.

It's the only leverage he has.

Unless he wants to show up to camp with an improved skillset and willingness to buy into a role that gets him on the floor constantly.

I wonder if FanDuel has odds for that happening.

And the Warriors are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

If they made year 2 a player option he would sign the deal. He wants to hit UFA and the current offer doesn’t guarantee that.