Shams: Brogdon joins Knicks

[Guano]

Sounds like we'll be picking up a future 2nd rounder and the rights to a Scandinavian blueberry muffin vendor.



Also, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Dadiet and not Kolek. He's young and has a ton of two-way tools. A shot like butter that would go very well on blueberry muffins.

Frox (French Knox) a goner

I accidently fat fingered the and1 on this when I meant to hit the report button.

[Guano]

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

He has potential. But even in G league he was raw. 15/5.4/3.6 on 41/32/84.

His size and stroke look nice but tbh he looks kinda slow... which means he is basically french Paul Pierce!!!!!!!!!

[Capn'O]

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

I don't like it.

Im not willing to let him walk for a washed up Brogdon or shamet.

Feels bad.

Even three years ago I would have been holding on Pacome like a mama bear holding her cub but we've got priorities now.

[Guano]

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

I don't like it.

Im not willing to let him walk for a washed up Brogdon or shamet.

Feels bad.

Even three years ago I would have been holding on Pacome like a mama bear holding her cub but we've got priorities now.

Youre not wrong, but cant we have a lil side of delusional prospect fun too. I dont want to go full Rob and hate on all the youth. The roster is big enough and deep enough to stash a young 19yr old French phenom who is destined for greatness. We're trying to build a dynasty here.

Plus, we need to develop youth. We cant just expect to keep signing washed vets. We need young cost controlled prospects to step up. And with size, strength, andlack ofathleticism he is a for sure keeper.

[Capn'O]

I don't like it.

Im not willing to let him walk for a washed up Brogdon or shamet.

Feels bad.

Even three years ago I would have been holding on Pacome like a mama bear holding her cub but we've got priorities now.

Youre not wrong, but cant we have a lil side of delusional prospect fun too. I dont want to go full Rob and hate on all the youth. The roster is big enough and deep enough to stash a young 19yr old French phenom who is destined for greatness. We're trying to build a dynasty here.

Plus, we need to develop youth. We cant just expect to keep signing washed vets. We need young cost controlled prospects to step up. And with size, strength, andlack ofathleticism he is a for sure keeper.

Oh I get it. I just signed 3pac in BAF.

But the delusion I'm holding right now is the chip. Brogdon is washed from his peak but not as a guy who can help. For a few years the ring chasers will flock here.

[Guano]

Even three years ago I would have been holding on Pacome like a mama bear holding her cub but we've got priorities now.

Youre not wrong, but cant we have a lil side of delusional prospect fun too. I dont want to go full Rob and hate on all the youth. The roster is big enough and deep enough to stash a young 19yr old French phenom who is destined for greatness. We're trying to build a dynasty here.

Plus, we need to develop youth. We cant just expect to keep signing washed vets. We need young cost controlled prospects to step up. And with size, strength, andlack ofathleticism he is a for sure keeper.

Oh I get it. I just signed 3pac in BAF.

But the delusion I'm holding right now is the chip. Brogdon is washed from his peak but not as a guy who can help. For a few years the ring chasers will flock here.

Gdi Cap Im on to you, you just want to dump our best prospect for your gd fantasy team. So he can go to some sht team and put up crazy numbers.

[Nazrmohamed]

Given the investment that went into putting this team together, the age of the primary players, and the state of the conference - everything is about maximizing the chances to win in the playoffs this year and next year.

Now is not the time to develop 2nd rd picks. There will be a time when we have an aging, expensive roster without control of our draft. Now is the time to make that pain worth it.

Bingo. Screw a battle, I want both of these guys on my roster ASAP

I'd rather have Matthews over Shamet. Purer shooter, seems to excel on the catch and shoot off screens.

Shamets gonna play better defense. Not that hes a stopper but he hustles. Then he can put the ball on the floor as well. Matthew's is exclusively a shooter. But Shamet can sit as well

[Capn'O]

Youre not wrong, but cant we have a lil side of delusional prospect fun too. I dont want to go full Rob and hate on all the youth. The roster is big enough and deep enough to stash a young 19yr old French phenom who is destined for greatness. We're trying to build a dynasty here.

Plus, we need to develop youth. We cant just expect to keep signing washed vets. We need young cost controlled prospects to step up. And with size, strength, andlack ofathleticism he is a for sure keeper.

Oh I get it. I just signed 3pac in BAF.

But the delusion I'm holding right now is the chip. Brogdon is washed from his peak but not as a guy who can help. For a few years the ring chasers will flock here.

Gdi Cap Im on to you, you just want to dump our best prospect for your gd fantasy team. So he can go to some sht team and put up crazy numbers.

You ain't wrong but it's business both ways. He's not getting time here and he's the Knicks best chance of getting decent capital back.

[Moose]

If Brogdon, plus 1 of the 2 of Shamet/Mathews shows out and are healthy, then I think the Knicks trade Kolek or Dadiet.

I'm not sure if this is the right move or wrong move, but I think it's also a way to delay salary contract increases when dealing with this CBA. Sign a vet min instead and trade the second or third year player before their contract gets expensive for a draft pick or two, and then draft another player to restart the clock.

[thebuzzardman]

It's somewhat annoying with new CBA that you need a combination law degree and economics degree to understand what a team might be able to do to sign players.

I get this has been a part of the NBA for years. Feels like with each CBA, the machinations get more complicated and it's harder to suss out how a team can operate. Particularly true with 1st and 2nd apron implications etc now.

Tongue in cheek aside it's not THAT complicated. Kind of opaque though

Hmm. AI thinks teams can carry up to 18 players (if $ allow)

An NBA team has a maximum of 15 standard roster spots and can also carry up to three players on two-way contracts, for a total of 18 potential players. Two-way players typically spend most of their time with the team's G League affiliate and are eligible to be active for up to 50 regular-season NBA games.

NBA G-League website feels otherwise

Beginning in the 2017 offseason, NBA rosters expanded from 15 to 17 players with the addition of two spots for players under “Two-Way Contracts.” For the 2025-26 season, each NBA team is permitted to have up to three players under Two-Way Contracts on its roster at any time (in addition to the maximum 15 players under Standard NBA Contracts).

I'm going to assume it's 17, or that the Knicks will be cash strapped enough to not even to be able to afford 3 Two Way contracts. Or, not 15 players on some kind of full NBA contract (rook, room, vet, full, MLE, lots of $ like KAT or OG etc)

Under contract in general order of importance/playing time

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Towns
Hart
McBride
Mitch
Yabusele
Clarkson
Dadiet
Kolek
Hukporti

Those are the 12 players that I know of that the Knicks have under guaranteed contract

The league says they have to get to 14 by a certain date and I believe there's no CBA mandate teams have to 15 full NBA contracts.

Knicks can afford one vet and one rookie, correct? So:

Brogdan (most likely), Shamet and Matthews for 1 vet
Dink or Diawara for the rookie deal
McCullars for a two way
Dink or Diawara for the other two way

Unclear to me: If dealing just Kolek or just Dadiet frees up enough money for the winner of Shamet (most likely) or Matthews

[Wildcat]

Any chance they jettison Huk, Dadier or Kolek to keep both Shamet & Brogdon?

Not Huk. He's almost guaranteed to play minutes. We're way to thin up front.

I've still to see him do something notable.

I think that's irreverent. They literally have no choice but to play him. One of these rookies need to pan out and the way this roster looks today, Ariel is the only one that can comfortably slot in as 9/10 man. There's just no way they're dropping him when their next biggest big off the bench is Yabusele at 6'8" and Hart at 6'4".

[8516knicks]

Not Huk. He's almost guaranteed to play minutes. We're way to thin up front.

I've still to see him do something notable.

I think that's irreverent. They literally have no choice but to play him. One of these rookies need to pan out and the way this roster looks today, Ariel is the only one that can comfortably slot in as 9/10 man. There's just no way they're dropping him when their next biggest big off the bench is Yabusele at 6'8" and Hart at 6'4".

I'm sure you're correct but I still have yet to see any upside from him, even as a pauper's Mitch.

[thebuzzardman]

“F*ck them kids”

Quote attributed to Leon Rose or Jeffrey Epstein

[stuporman]

So did the Knicks trade another first round picked player for a future second round pick they won't take someone with to keep the old washed up vet?

/buzz

[Richard4444]

It's somewhat annoying with new CBA that you need a combination law degree and economics degree to understand what a team might be able to do to sign players.

I get this has been a part of the NBA for years. Feels like with each CBA, the machinations get more complicated and it's harder to suss out how a team can operate. Particularly true with 1st and 2nd apron implications etc now.

Tongue in cheek aside it's not THAT complicated. Kind of opaque though

Hmm. AI thinks teams can carry up to 18 players (if $ allow)

An NBA team has a maximum of 15 standard roster spots and can also carry up to three players on two-way contracts, for a total of 18 potential players. Two-way players typically spend most of their time with the team's G League affiliate and are eligible to be active for up to 50 regular-season NBA games.

NBA G-League website feels otherwise

Beginning in the 2017 offseason, NBA rosters expanded from 15 to 17 players with the addition of two spots for players under “Two-Way Contracts.” For the 2025-26 season, each NBA team is permitted to have up to three players under Two-Way Contracts on its roster at any time (in addition to the maximum 15 players under Standard NBA Contracts).

I'm going to assume it's 17, or that the Knicks will be cash strapped enough to not even to be able to afford 3 Two Way contracts. Or, not 15 players on some kind of full NBA contract (rook, room, vet, full, MLE, lots of $ like KAT or OG etc)

Under contract in general order of importance/playing time

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Towns
Hart
McBride
Mitch
Yabusele
Clarkson
Dadiet
Kolek
Hukporti

Those are the 12 players that I know of that the Knicks have under guaranteed contract

The league says they have to get to 14 by a certain date and I believe there's no CBA mandate teams have to 15 full NBA contracts.

Knicks can afford one vet and one rookie, correct? So:

Brogdan (most likely), Shamet and Matthews for 1 vet
Dink or Diawara for the rookie deal
McCullars for a two way
Dink or Diawara for the other two way

Unclear to me: If dealing just Kolek or just Dadiet frees up enough money for the winner of Shamet (most likely) or Matthews

After the pandemic, the max number of 2way deals was increased from 2 to 3.

Current Knicks payroll, assuming we keep Brogdon (by Sportrac): 206,4 M (13 players).
Second Apron Space: 1,42M
Total salary decrease by delaying the signing by 14 days: 7% (I am guessing because I don't know how to properly calculate - I am assuming a 14-day discount from a 200-day regular season).
Rookie Min: 1,27M (around 1,18M after 14-day delay)
Sophomore min: 2,05M (around 1,91M after 14-day delay)
Vet min: 2,3M (around 2,14M after a 14 day delay)
Kolek: 2,19M
Dadiet: 2,85M

If we trade Kolek into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron Space: 3,61M (12 players).
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,31 (13 players).
We have to get a rookie min with the remaining money to be our 14 th player.

If we trade Dadiet into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron space: 4,27M (12 players)
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,97M (13 players)
It could be enough to sign a sophomore min (Mcullar Jr) instead of a rookie min to be our 14 th player.

[thebuzzardman]

It's somewhat annoying with new CBA that you need a combination law degree and economics degree to understand what a team might be able to do to sign players.

I get this has been a part of the NBA for years. Feels like with each CBA, the machinations get more complicated and it's harder to suss out how a team can operate. Particularly true with 1st and 2nd apron implications etc now.

Tongue in cheek aside it's not THAT complicated. Kind of opaque though

Hmm. AI thinks teams can carry up to 18 players (if $ allow)

An NBA team has a maximum of 15 standard roster spots and can also carry up to three players on two-way contracts, for a total of 18 potential players. Two-way players typically spend most of their time with the team's G League affiliate and are eligible to be active for up to 50 regular-season NBA games.

NBA G-League website feels otherwise

Beginning in the 2017 offseason, NBA rosters expanded from 15 to 17 players with the addition of two spots for players under “Two-Way Contracts.” For the 2025-26 season, each NBA team is permitted to have up to three players under Two-Way Contracts on its roster at any time (in addition to the maximum 15 players under Standard NBA Contracts).

I'm going to assume it's 17, or that the Knicks will be cash strapped enough to not even to be able to afford 3 Two Way contracts. Or, not 15 players on some kind of full NBA contract (rook, room, vet, full, MLE, lots of $ like KAT or OG etc)

Under contract in general order of importance/playing time

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Towns
Hart
McBride
Mitch
Yabusele
Clarkson
Dadiet
Kolek
Hukporti

Those are the 12 players that I know of that the Knicks have under guaranteed contract

The league says they have to get to 14 by a certain date and I believe there's no CBA mandate teams have to 15 full NBA contracts.

Knicks can afford one vet and one rookie, correct? So:

Brogdan (most likely), Shamet and Matthews for 1 vet
Dink or Diawara for the rookie deal
McCullars for a two way
Dink or Diawara for the other two way

Unclear to me: If dealing just Kolek or just Dadiet frees up enough money for the winner of Shamet (most likely) or Matthews

After the pandemic, the max number of 2way deals was increased from 2 to 3.

Current Knicks payroll, assuming we keep Brogdon (by Sportrac): 206,4 M (13 players).
Second Apron Space: 1,42M
Total salary decrease by delaying the signing by 14 days: 7% (I am guessing because I don't know how to properly calculate - I am assuming a 14-day discount from a 200-day regular season).
Rookie Min: 1,27M (around 1,18M after 14-day delay)
Sophomore min: 2,05M (around 1,91M after 14-day delay)
Vet min: 2,3M (around 2,14M after a 14 day delay)
Kolek: 2,19M
Dadiet: 2,85M

If we trade Kolek into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron Space: 3,61M (12 players).
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,31 (13 players).
We have to get a rookie min with the remaining money to be our 14 th player.

If we trade Dadiet into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron space: 4,27M (12 players)
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,97M (13 players)
It could be enough to sign a sophomore min (Mcullar Jr) instead of a rookie min to be our 14 th player.

They can still put McCullar on a two way I believe.
If so, they should do that

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's somewhat annoying with new CBA that you need a combination law degree and economics degree to understand what a team might be able to do to sign players.

I get this has been a part of the NBA for years. Feels like with each CBA, the machinations get more complicated and it's harder to suss out how a team can operate. Particularly true with 1st and 2nd apron implications etc now.

Tongue in cheek aside it's not THAT complicated. Kind of opaque though

Hmm. AI thinks teams can carry up to 18 players (if $ allow)

An NBA team has a maximum of 15 standard roster spots and can also carry up to three players on two-way contracts, for a total of 18 potential players. Two-way players typically spend most of their time with the team's G League affiliate and are eligible to be active for up to 50 regular-season NBA games.

NBA G-League website feels otherwise

Beginning in the 2017 offseason, NBA rosters expanded from 15 to 17 players with the addition of two spots for players under “Two-Way Contracts.” For the 2025-26 season, each NBA team is permitted to have up to three players under Two-Way Contracts on its roster at any time (in addition to the maximum 15 players under Standard NBA Contracts).

I'm going to assume it's 17, or that the Knicks will be cash strapped enough to not even to be able to afford 3 Two Way contracts. Or, not 15 players on some kind of full NBA contract (rook, room, vet, full, MLE, lots of $ like KAT or OG etc)

Under contract in general order of importance/playing time

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Towns
Hart
McBride
Mitch
Yabusele
Clarkson
Dadiet
Kolek
Hukporti

Those are the 12 players that I know of that the Knicks have under guaranteed contract

The league says they have to get to 14 by a certain date and I believe there's no CBA mandate teams have to 15 full NBA contracts.

Knicks can afford one vet and one rookie, correct? So:

Brogdan (most likely), Shamet and Matthews for 1 vet
Dink or Diawara for the rookie deal
McCullars for a two way
Dink or Diawara for the other two way

Unclear to me: If dealing just Kolek or just Dadiet frees up enough money for the winner of Shamet (most likely) or Matthews

After the pandemic, the max number of 2way deals was increased from 2 to 3.

Current Knicks payroll, assuming we keep Brogdon (by Sportrac): 206,4 M (13 players).
Second Apron Space: 1,42M
Total salary decrease by delaying the signing by 14 days: 7% (I am guessing because I don't know how to properly calculate - I am assuming a 14-day discount from a 200-day regular season).
Rookie Min: 1,27M (around 1,18M after 14-day delay)
Sophomore min: 2,05M (around 1,91M after 14-day delay)
Vet min: 2,3M (around 2,14M after a 14 day delay)
Kolek: 2,19M
Dadiet: 2,85M

If we trade Kolek into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron Space: 3,61M (12 players).
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,31 (13 players).
We have to get a rookie min with the remaining money to be our 14 th player.

If we trade Dadiet into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron space: 4,27M (12 players)
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,97M (13 players)
It could be enough to sign a sophomore min (Mcullar Jr) instead of a rookie min to be our 14 th player.

The calculation is based on the length of the regular season. Per nba.com the season starts on 21 October and finishes on 12 April. So that's 174 days.

So the proportion of the salary if signed after 14 days is 160/174 = 91.95% - or a saving of 8.05%.

So taking your numbers for the min salaries, as I'm too lazy to look them up, , would give 1.17m, 1.89m and 2.12m respectively.

[Richard4444]

It's somewhat annoying with new CBA that you need a combination law degree and economics degree to understand what a team might be able to do to sign players.

I get this has been a part of the NBA for years. Feels like with each CBA, the machinations get more complicated and it's harder to suss out how a team can operate. Particularly true with 1st and 2nd apron implications etc now.

Tongue in cheek aside it's not THAT complicated. Kind of opaque though

Hmm. AI thinks teams can carry up to 18 players (if $ allow)



NBA G-League website feels otherwise


I'm going to assume it's 17, or that the Knicks will be cash strapped enough to not even to be able to afford 3 Two Way contracts. Or, not 15 players on some kind of full NBA contract (rook, room, vet, full, MLE, lots of $ like KAT or OG etc)

Under contract in general order of importance/playing time

Brunson
Bridges
Anunoby
Towns
Hart
McBride
Mitch
Yabusele
Clarkson
Dadiet
Kolek
Hukporti

Those are the 12 players that I know of that the Knicks have under guaranteed contract

The league says they have to get to 14 by a certain date and I believe there's no CBA mandate teams have to 15 full NBA contracts.

Knicks can afford one vet and one rookie, correct? So:

Brogdan (most likely), Shamet and Matthews for 1 vet
Dink or Diawara for the rookie deal
McCullars for a two way
Dink or Diawara for the other two way

Unclear to me: If dealing just Kolek or just Dadiet frees up enough money for the winner of Shamet (most likely) or Matthews

After the pandemic, the max number of 2way deals was increased from 2 to 3.

Current Knicks payroll, assuming we keep Brogdon (by Sportrac): 206,4 M (13 players).
Second Apron Space: 1,42M
Total salary decrease by delaying the signing by 14 days: 7% (I am guessing because I don't know how to properly calculate - I am assuming a 14-day discount from a 200-day regular season).
Rookie Min: 1,27M (around 1,18M after 14-day delay)
Sophomore min: 2,05M (around 1,91M after 14-day delay)
Vet min: 2,3M (around 2,14M after a 14 day delay)
Kolek: 2,19M
Dadiet: 2,85M

If we trade Kolek into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron Space: 3,61M (12 players).
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,31 (13 players).
We have to get a rookie min with the remaining money to be our 14 th player.

If we trade Dadiet into another team's cap space/trade exception:
Second apron space: 4,27M (12 players)
Space Assuming Shamet signing: 1,97M (13 players)
It could be enough to sign a sophomore min (Mcullar Jr) instead of a rookie min to be our 14 th player.

They can still put McCullar on a two way I believe.
If so, they should do that

In the end we are giving a standard deal to either McCullar or Diawara.

Also, 2 way players, are limited to 50 games each season and can not play playoffs. Besjdes, they will be RFA next season.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I get that it's the vet min, but it's just more guards under 6'5"






Someone in the front office is just obsessed with combo guards under 6'5". And it's not like they're all two way players, they're strictly offensive players outside of Deuce.

We have 2 perimeter players that are 6'7" or taller, and one of them is Pacome The Magic have a **** of size on the perimeter, and the size of the Pistons perimeter players was definitely a real issue.

[rajajackal]

3Pac and his buttery jumper needs to be free.

He has potential. But even in G league he was raw. 15/5.4/3.6 on 41/32/84.

His size and stroke look nice but tbh he looks kinda slow... which means he is basically french Paul Pierce!!!!!!!!!

size and stroke is crazy

even for you guanit0