Shams: Brogdon joins Knicks

[thebuzzardman]

I get that it's the vet min, but it's just more guards under 6'5"






Someone in the front office is just obsessed with combo guards under 6'5". And it's not like they're all two way players, they're strictly offensive players outside of Deuce.

We have 2 perimeter players that are 6'7" or taller, and one of them is Pacome The Magic have a **** of size on the perimeter, and the size of the Pistons perimeter players was definitely a real issue.

At least Brogdan is a point guard who is 6'5" and has a 6'10" wingspan

[Richard4444]

I get that it's the vet min, but it's just more guards under 6'5"






Someone in the front office is just obsessed with combo guards under 6'5". And it's not like they're all two way players, they're strictly offensive players outside of Deuce.

We have 2 perimeter players that are 6'7" or taller, and one of them is Pacome The Magic have a **** of size on the perimeter, and the size of the Pistons perimeter players was definitely a real issue.

The issue is good and proven tall skilled players are expensive and we just dont have the money to afford them.

The tall players avaliable for the minimun are either washed or raw. Also, we have rin runners such as Thomas Byrant.

Thats why we were waiting for Ben Simmons.

[GettinitDone]

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[thebuzzardman]

What I think happens

The New York Knicks are facing the challenge of filling out their roster under a second-apron hard cap for a second consecutive season. That's got the Knicks poised to sign 2025 second-round pick Mohamed Diawara to a standard contract.

New York has to sign at least two more players to standard contracts. The challenge is that the Knicks only have room to sign one veteran minimum deal and one rookie minimum deal. The caveat being that the rookie minimum deal has to be for a player the Knicks drafted. The reason for that is that an undrafted rookie would count towards the luxury tax and tax aprons at the two-year veteran minimum amount.

New York triggered a second-apron hard cap via signing Guerschon Yabusele using the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception.

With Malcolm Brogdon and Landry Shamet presumably competing for the veteran minimum spot, that leaves the rookie minimum spot to fill. That spot will apparently go to rookie forward Diawara.

Last season, the 6-foot-9 forward played for Cholet in his native France. Diawara averaged 6.1 points, 3.2 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 19.6 minutes per game. The then 19-year-old forward appeared in 49 total games for Cholet last season.

Much like last season, New York will be managing the end of their bench throughout the year. The Knicks should eventually have enough space to fill out the roster to full amount of 15 players on standard contracts before the end of the regular season.

Ian Begly/SNY

Brogdan gets the vet contract, unless he's seriously hobbled/done (Knicks need a real backup PG, but Clarkson could function as a CamPayne+ if Brogdon is truly cooked)

Diawara gets the rookie deal because McCullars can't.

McCullars gets a two way, despite it makes him an RFA next year or whatever. Dude was hurt almost the entire year, but he played enough to be screwed of Yabu getting the exception. (I thought Yabu took a little less, but I guess using it is using it)

Dink gets a two way also, IF the Knicks can afford it

Maybe someone gets traded to make room for the winner of The Shammet/Matthews Scrub Showdown

Not sure if just Kolek is enough to free $ for Shamet (probably not), hope it's not Dadiet, one of the few wings (only?) on the roster over 6'6" **

**Maybe the wild Keon Ellis trade happens.
Are the Knicks allowed to trade 2 for 1? Deuce and Kolek? And then they add Shamet?

Let someone smart figure that out
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78267/keon-ellis

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74143/miles-mcbride
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/91769/tyler-kolek

[prophet_of_rage]

Didn’t know we had room, we need to remove someone or had a free spot?

Gotta move pieces.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

What I think happens

The New York Knicks are facing the challenge of filling out their roster under a second-apron hard cap for a second consecutive season. That's got the Knicks poised to sign 2025 second-round pick Mohamed Diawara to a standard contract.

New York has to sign at least two more players to standard contracts. The challenge is that the Knicks only have room to sign one veteran minimum deal and one rookie minimum deal. The caveat being that the rookie minimum deal has to be for a player the Knicks drafted. The reason for that is that an undrafted rookie would count towards the luxury tax and tax aprons at the two-year veteran minimum amount.

New York triggered a second-apron hard cap via signing Guerschon Yabusele using the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception.

With Malcolm Brogdon and Landry Shamet presumably competing for the veteran minimum spot, that leaves the rookie minimum spot to fill. That spot will apparently go to rookie forward Diawara.

Last season, the 6-foot-9 forward played for Cholet in his native France. Diawara averaged 6.1 points, 3.2 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 19.6 minutes per game. The then 19-year-old forward appeared in 49 total games for Cholet last season.

Much like last season, New York will be managing the end of their bench throughout the year. The Knicks should eventually have enough space to fill out the roster to full amount of 15 players on standard contracts before the end of the regular season.

Ian Begly/SNY

Brogdan gets the vet contract, unless he's seriously hobbled/done (Knicks need a real backup PG, but Clarkson could function as a CamPayne+ if Brogdon is truly cooked)

Diawara gets the rookie deal because McCullars can't.

McCullars gets a two way, despite it makes him an RFA next year or whatever. Dude was hurt almost the entire year, but he played enough to be screwed of Yabu getting the exception. (I thought Yabu took a little less, but I guess using it is using it)

Dink gets a two way also, IF the Knicks can afford it

Maybe someone gets traded to make room for the winner of The Shammet/Matthews Scrub Showdown

Not sure if just Kolek is enough to free $ for Shamet (probably not), hope it's not Dadiet, one of the few wings (only?) on the roster over 6'6" **

**Maybe the wild Keon Ellis trade happens.
Are the Knicks allowed to trade 2 for 1? Deuce and Kolek? And then they add Shamet?

Let someone smart figure that out
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78267/keon-ellis

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74143/miles-mcbride
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/91769/tyler-kolek

Whatever money we send out, we have to get back. We are going to be at the 2nd apron after a vet mini plus rookie mini just to get to 14 players. So...if we trade two for one, we won't have enough money under the apron to fill out the roster.

[Butch718]

I get the obsession for acquiring wings. But this team needed more shot makers and creators. Knicks got 2 off the bench that can potentially contribute 10-15 mins per game. Biggest issue in the playoffs is that there was not enough scoring off the bench. That’s issue seems to have been resolved.

I am honestly not the biggest Shamet fan. I know he had some good moments on the Pacers series, but he was so wildly inconsistent last season. I hope Brogdon has enough left in the tank and they wind up keeping their rookies and cutting Shamet.

[thebuzzardman]

What I think happens

The New York Knicks are facing the challenge of filling out their roster under a second-apron hard cap for a second consecutive season. That's got the Knicks poised to sign 2025 second-round pick Mohamed Diawara to a standard contract.

New York has to sign at least two more players to standard contracts. The challenge is that the Knicks only have room to sign one veteran minimum deal and one rookie minimum deal. The caveat being that the rookie minimum deal has to be for a player the Knicks drafted. The reason for that is that an undrafted rookie would count towards the luxury tax and tax aprons at the two-year veteran minimum amount.

New York triggered a second-apron hard cap via signing Guerschon Yabusele using the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception.

With Malcolm Brogdon and Landry Shamet presumably competing for the veteran minimum spot, that leaves the rookie minimum spot to fill. That spot will apparently go to rookie forward Diawara.

Last season, the 6-foot-9 forward played for Cholet in his native France. Diawara averaged 6.1 points, 3.2 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 19.6 minutes per game. The then 19-year-old forward appeared in 49 total games for Cholet last season.

Much like last season, New York will be managing the end of their bench throughout the year. The Knicks should eventually have enough space to fill out the roster to full amount of 15 players on standard contracts before the end of the regular season.

Ian Begly/SNY

Brogdan gets the vet contract, unless he's seriously hobbled/done (Knicks need a real backup PG, but Clarkson could function as a CamPayne+ if Brogdon is truly cooked)

Diawara gets the rookie deal because McCullars can't.

McCullars gets a two way, despite it makes him an RFA next year or whatever. Dude was hurt almost the entire year, but he played enough to be screwed of Yabu getting the exception. (I thought Yabu took a little less, but I guess using it is using it)

Dink gets a two way also, IF the Knicks can afford it

Maybe someone gets traded to make room for the winner of The Shammet/Matthews Scrub Showdown

Not sure if just Kolek is enough to free $ for Shamet (probably not), hope it's not Dadiet, one of the few wings (only?) on the roster over 6'6" **

**Maybe the wild Keon Ellis trade happens.
Are the Knicks allowed to trade 2 for 1? Deuce and Kolek? And then they add Shamet?

Let someone smart figure that out
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/78267/keon-ellis

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74143/miles-mcbride
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/91769/tyler-kolek

Whatever money we send out, we have to get back. We are going to be at the 2nd apron after a vet mini plus rookie mini just to get to 14 players. So...if we trade two for one, we won't have enough money under the apron to fill out the roster.

Wasn’t sure if they could do an unbalanced $ trade or not

[Orange Mamba]

Still early but I wonder how they plan to go about the starting lineup and rotation if they keep Brogdon, which seems likely

If you start

Brunson Bridges OG KAT Mitch

with

Brogdon Deuce Clarkson Hart Yabusele


the balance of the bench looks a bit off but you could always stagger them I guess. I think I've seen stats that Yabusele is better as a small ball 5 than a 4. You could also just start Deuce too which I prefer. I guess you could also just not play Brogdon but I think we need a true floor general when Brunson is off. Curious to see how it plays out

[Butch718]

I would rather put Duece in the starting lineup as he can keep defenses honest with his ability to shoot. Hart couldn’t do that. Players would sag off him, and they would put a smaller defender on KAT.

I think Mitch is better off the bench. They can preserve his health better.

[Richard4444]

Still early but I wonder how they plan to go about the starting lineup and rotation if they keep Brogdon, which seems likely

If you start

Brunson Bridges OG KAT Mitch

with

Brogdon Deuce Clarkson Hart Yabusele


the balance of the bench looks a bit off but you could always stagger them I guess. I think I've seen stats that Yabusele is better as a small ball 5 than a 4. You could also just start Deuce too which I prefer. I guess you could also just not play Brogdon but I think we need a true floor general when Brunson is off. Curious to see how it plays out

The plan looks like to be:

Brunson/Clarkson
Deuce/ Brogdon (Shamet after a trade)
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Whatever money we send out, we have to get back. We are going to be at the 2nd apron after a vet mini plus rookie mini just to get to 14 players. So...if we trade two for one, we won't have enough money under the apron to fill out the roster.

Wasn’t sure if they could do an unbalanced $ trade or not

The point is that the Knicks cannot take back more salary than they send out. But, they can send out more salary than they get back if the other team is able to take more salary in than they send out. That's how that trade of say, Keon Ellis for Deuce McBride works. The Knicks would send out 4.333m and take in 2.301m giving them another 2.032m in disposable salary (to use on vet min salary).

However, it is delicate. Going by spotrac's trade machine, you can trade Ellis for Dadiet (and free up about 0.546m in salary), and you could throw in Hukporti (to free up another 1.955m, though why?), but you can't throw in Kolek (to free up an additional 2.121m in salary)-- that would break the deal.

[rajajackal]

I get the obsession for acquiring wings. But this team needed more shot makers and creators. Knicks got 2 off the bench that can potentially contribute 10-15 mins per game. Biggest issue in the playoffs is that there was not enough scoring off the bench. That’s issue seems to have been resolved.

I am honestly not the biggest Shamet fan. I know he had some good moments on the Pacers series, but he was so wildly inconsistent last season. I hope Brogdon has enough left in the tank and they wind up keeping their rookies and cutting Shamet.

i'm not a kids-at-all-cost type, especially now that we've been granted a championship window, but with the acquisition of brogdon, i do feel like dadiet + kolek is easily more valuable than shamet

[3toheadmelo]

Still early but I wonder how they plan to go about the starting lineup and rotation if they keep Brogdon, which seems likely

If you start

Brunson Bridges OG KAT Mitch

with

Brogdon Deuce Clarkson Hart Yabusele


the balance of the bench looks a bit off but you could always stagger them I guess. I think I've seen stats that Yabusele is better as a small ball 5 than a 4. You could also just start Deuce too which I prefer. I guess you could also just not play Brogdon but I think we need a true floor general when Brunson is off. Curious to see how it plays out

The plan looks like to be:

Brunson/Clarkson
Deuce/ Brogdon (Shamet after a trade)
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

[Wildcat]

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Expecting this guy to be of form is going to be a huge let down for many people. Don't get us hyped up.

[omerome]

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Expecting this guy to be of form is going to be a huge let down for many people. Don't get us hyped up.

Yup.

If he were still that player, no way he would have been available to sign in September!

[Wildcat]

Still early but I wonder how they plan to go about the starting lineup and rotation if they keep Brogdon, which seems likely

If you start

Brunson Bridges OG KAT Mitch

with

Brogdon Deuce Clarkson Hart Yabusele

the balance of the bench looks a bit off but you could always stagger them I guess. I think I've seen stats that Yabusele is better as a small ball 5 than a 4. You could also just start Deuce too which I prefer. I guess you could also just not play Brogdon but I think we need a true floor general when Brunson is off. Curious to see how it plays out

The plan looks like to be:

Brunson/Clarkson
Deuce/ Brogdon (Shamet after a trade)
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch

Knicks aren’t starting Deuce lol

I'm convinced of that myself. The only way I see Deuce starting is if the Knicks really feel like Ariel can't slot in for 5-10 MPG because frankly he kind of has to be their 10 man by default because my guessed sub pattern is Hart -> Deuce -> Yabusele -> Clarkson -> Ariel.

[Wildcat]

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Expecting this guy to be of form is going to be a huge let down for many people. Don't get us hyped up.

Yup.

If he were still that player, no way he would have been available to sign in September!

Yep. I thought he'd be the ideal backup 2 years ago. Now I'm looking at his last 2 seasons, and I'm having a hard time figuring out whether he is a product of the tanking cultures in Portland and Washington, or if he's really on the decline (i.e., if his body is quitting on him).

[WaltFrazier]

I guess Josh will be the 3rd string PF if for some reason OG or Yabu can't play since we don't have any space to add a 15th player.

Yeah we're overloaded with guards and a light on bigger wings