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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#101 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:31 pm

wco81 wrote:Did they draft any OL?

They lost young or recent draftees in the offseason in Moore and Banks. If nothing else bring some youth into the unit, though they had a lot of other needs to fill.


They've been fairly proactive about addressing the OG position. They spent a second on Banks and a third on Puni in the fairly recent past. They drafted Kingston late last year, and Colby late this year. Burford and Zakelj both in 2022. They've brought in multiple players as UDFAs (Moss, Mays, Fisher, Luciano, Manning in the past three years). At C, they haven't done anything in the draft, but they've at least brought in prominent UDFAs in Drake Nugent and Dohnovan West (both guys were the top undrafted IOL in their respective years according to NFL.com). And they've tried guys like Zakelj at OC.

OT is the real outlier, where they haven't done anything at all in the draft or UDFA since taking Jaylon Moore in 2021 (unless you count UDFA Sam Schlueter in 2022).
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#102 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:09 pm

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Even if we crush next year's draft, I can't see us being in better shape with Trent, CMC, Kittle, Warner, and Bosa a year older. We have some promising young players, but those vets are all going to be in the HOF conversation (with CMC probably the weakest resume at present, somewhat shockingly). I don't see guys in the pipeline who are likely to replace them.



Not to mention more expensive.

That's why I mentioned TE but ultimately the roster has to be constantly turned over and the team is letting Lynch and Shanahan continue to shape the roster when their spotty drafting record should at least make the team realize that it might not be smart to place all their eggs on Lynch and Shanahan.

Because if and when they determine they have to move on from them, they have given them too much rope with talent acquisition that it will take even longer to clean up after them.

Once several key players well into their 30s retire or can no longer produce at levels to justify their salaries, team will need to rebuild unless the players drafted in the last two drafts and the next two all have the impact of Warner, Bosa, Kittle, etc.


I think the last two drafts have been quite good. Pearsall, Green, Puni, and Mustapha already look like plus starters. There was a lot of optimism about Cowing this season before the injuries. Bethune made a huge leap this year and looks like at least a good depth piece. I have my doubts about Guerendo, but we'll see.

It's extremely early to judge 2025, but it looks like Williams, Stout, West, and Siegel will have clear roles and the inside track to starting jobs at some point. Martin showed remarkable improvement during the preseason, and I'm fairly confident he'll be starting some day (might get the Winters treatment). Watkins flashed in camp, and I think James will carve out a role as a runner. Colby could be a starting OG in the near future. I have some pretty big questions about Collins in the high second round, and given what Williams has offered as a pass rusher to date I wonder if that wasn't a reach given where he was taken. But as of now, I think most of that class could play some role, with several starters to boot.

"Value" is always going to be an issue with this FO. Even if Nick Martin turns into the next Greenlaw, they probably could have taken him in the 5th and used that third-round pick on another position. But I've noted before that a player's value is the pick that the second team would use on him, and after the first round or two, it's just impossible to predict where that will be. Every year, loads of guys go markedly higher or lower than they were projected. Lots of people had Sigle as an undrafted player, and he's already looking like a steal. People (including me) hated the Watkins pick, but he was the talk of camp (we'll see if that pans out on the field). I do it too, but getting too hung up on value when you're adding a good player is somewhat defeatist.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#103 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Sep 12, 2025 9:40 pm

Big Trent questionable. Ugh. Saints are a bad team, but Cam Jordan is ageless. Do not relish the idea of him lining up against Burford all game....
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#104 » by RIPskaterdude » Sat Sep 13, 2025 2:10 pm

Wasn't Trent questionable in W1 also?
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#105 » by arich35 » Sat Sep 13, 2025 3:48 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:Wasn't Trent questionable in W1 also?


I don't think so. He twisted his knee on Sunday so it doesn't surprise me he is sore and questionable but I would expect him to play
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#106 » by RIPskaterdude » Sun Sep 14, 2025 3:17 pm

Could be an upset today, if it's even an upset since they are without Purdy, BA, Kittle, and maybe JJ, and Trent
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#107 » by RIPskaterdude » Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:25 pm

Some good news, TW and JJ are active
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#108 » by Harry Palmer » Sun Sep 14, 2025 4:29 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:Some good news, TW and JJ are active



More than almost anything I’m hoping Trent is nothing like last week. I truly believe that a massive regression from him would be the biggest possible blow to our hopes.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#109 » by wco81 » Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:33 pm

So this is the first full game I've seen of Matt Jones. He's tall and got long arms so he needs a bigger footprint, which makes him more vulnerable to the pass rush. He also likes to wind up those long arms, which is how the Saints pass rusher stripped him on that sack, Jones was loading up for something down field.

49ers OL protected well and the Saints didn't really pressure that well, few blitzes called it seems.

Jones got in trouble in NE with a lot of bad interceptions. I would imagine a lot of it was due to pressure and him making rushed, bad decisions.

So while he had a very good game today, this was the Saints and he had a lot of time to pick out open WRs. Will need more very good games to have confidence in him.

Damn a couple more injuries. Hopefully it will average out towards the middle and latter part of the season?
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#110 » by wco81 » Yesterday 12:53 am

BTW, why did they trade Mason and what did they get for him?

Because they had to trade for Robinson and give up picks.

But Mason seemed to hit the hole faster than Robinson does. Mason averaged 6, 5.2 and 5.2 YPC in his 3 seasons with the 49ers.

Robinson is nowhere near that so far and nor did he with the Commanders.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#111 » by arich35 » Yesterday 1:14 am

wco81 wrote:BTW, why did they trade Mason and what did they get for him?

Because they had to trade for Robinson and give up picks.

But Mason seemed to hit the hole faster than Robinson does. Mason averaged 6, 5.2 and 5.2 YPC in his 3 seasons with the 49ers.

Robinson is nowhere near that so far and nor did he with the Commanders.


I think the 5th we got Siegel with. We couldn't pay what Mason wanted so we traded him. I agree Mason is better but it was a business choice really
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#112 » by arich35 » Yesterday 5:11 am

I hope we can at least go 2-2 in the next four game stretch, some tough games
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#113 » by Pattersonca65 » Yesterday 4:15 pm

I wonder if Connor Colby will snatch the starting job from Bartch. Bartch is okay when he is out playing but so far he has been glass. He can't even prevent injury from practices. He may be better suited as a backup.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#114 » by CrimsonCrew » Today 4:12 pm

Apparently Grant Cohn had a post saying that Purdy wasn't worth the contract because Jones came in and put up similar production. I realize that's just Cohn being Cohn, but still feel compelled to address that. I think it's just possible that the Seattle defense is quite good. They just went on the road to Pittsburgh for an early start and held a team coming off a 34-point performance to half of that.

The Seattle D had two INTs and three sacks. Rodgers completed only 54.5% of his passes for 6.2 YPA, and 65 of his 203 yards (32%) came on a check-down to RB Jaylen Warren who broke about 4 tackles. 10 of Pittsburgh's 17 points came off turnovers on drives of 21 yards or less. Their three FGs were all 45+ yards. Pittsburgh only got into the red zone once, coming off an INT where they started the drive on Seattle's 21. Out of ten substantive drives, Pittsburgh only had two that went longer than 21 yards (granted they scored on two of the shorter drives, as noted above).

The Saints D is probably a little better than most people think, but they have a lot of injuries on the back end and limited pass rush. It was a game that was tailor-made for Mac to excel, as reflected in the low pressure rate. Certainly I hope Mac keeps it up, but drawing a line from this performance to a position that Purdy is overpaid is a stretch IMO. Before the OL tightened up, Mac was looking lost out there.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#115 » by CrimsonCrew » Today 4:18 pm

For instance:

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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#116 » by Cactus Jack » Today 4:47 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:For instance:

Read on Twitter

The Hawks Defense is probably a top 5 unit if they remain relatively healthy.

The D-line is the strongest position group on the team. Leonard Williams really should've been an All-Pro last season. Both he & Byron Murphy bullied the Steelers IOL on Sunday.

What was their pressure rate against Purdy? More than 50%?? Part of it is talent upfront & part is the scheme. It's also their 2nd year under Mike Macdonald. The Ravens defense won the triple crown (points, sacks, turnovers) in Macdonald's 2nd year as their DC.

The Chargers run the same scheme with Jesse Minter. They looked like an elite unit last night.

fwiw, If Tariq Woolen does a better job of attacking the ball & doesn't totally lose focus late in that game, they would've held the Niners to just 10 points. :wink:


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Post#117 » by CrimsonCrew » Today 6:21 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:For instance:

Read on Twitter

The Hawks Defense is probably a top 5 unit if they remain relatively healthy.

The D-line is the strongest position group on the team. Leonard Williams really should've been an All-Pro last season. Both he & Byron Murphy bullied the Steelers IOL on Sunday.

What was their pressure rate against Purdy? More than 50%?? Part of it is talent upfront & part is the scheme. It's also their 2nd year under Mike Macdonald. The Ravens defense won the triple crown (points, sacks, turnovers) in Macdonald's 2nd year as their DC.

The Chargers run the same scheme with Jesse Minter. They looked like an elite unit last night.

Honestly, if Tariq Woolen does a better job of attacking the ball & doesn't totally lose focus late in that game, they would've held the Niners to just 10 points. :wink:


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Sure, that's true. Honestly, if the Niners had IOL who could pass block, they would have scored 30+. :lol:
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#118 » by CrimsonCrew » Today 6:27 pm

On a serious note, I think it's hard to understate how much losing Kittle hurt the game plan against the Hawks. The Hawks' biggest vulnerability on defense - by a good margin given the relative strength of the other units - is their LB group. I think Kyle intended to lean on Kittle (four receptions and a TD in less than two full drives), and losing him on top of missing Aiyuk, Robinson, Cowing, and Watkins really stymied a lot of what we would otherwise do. Losing Jennings didn't help, either.

I think Pearsall is a good player, but he's not a guy who is going to take over a game when he's getting the lions' share of the coverage attention. And CMC can only touch the ball so many times. By the end of that game, we were just trying to hang on.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#119 » by Cactus Jack » Today 6:46 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:On a serious note, I think it's hard to understate how much losing Kittle hurt the game plan against the Hawks. The Hawks' biggest vulnerability on defense - by a good margin given the relative strength of the other units - is their LB group. I think Kyle intended to lean on Kittle (four receptions and a TD in less than two full drives), and losing him on top of missing Aiyuk, Robinson, Cowing, and Watkins really stymied a lot of what we would otherwise do. Losing Jennings didn't help, either.

I think Pearsall is a good player, but he's not a guy who is going to take over a game when he's getting the lions' share of the coverage attention. And CMC can only touch the ball so many times. By the end of that game, we were just trying to hang on.

Nick Emmanwori got hurt (ankle) on the first drive & didn't return. You saw the Niners quickly attack his replacement (Ty Okada) & Kittle took advantage with that touchdown. But I think the plan was to put Emmanwori on Kittle. Then they had to adjust quickly until Kittle went out.

Ernest Jones played a good game. He got an interception off Purdy. But outside of the starters, they don't have a ton of depth at LB. Defending the middle of the field has been an issue in the past. So, that's a completely fair take.

Fred Warner is so good that he was causing problems for them. Their LB's did an excellent job defending the run.

The Niners made one or two more plays & that was the difference.
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Re: 2025 49ers Season 

Post#120 » by CrimsonCrew » Today 7:04 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:On a serious note, I think it's hard to understate how much losing Kittle hurt the game plan against the Hawks. The Hawks' biggest vulnerability on defense - by a good margin given the relative strength of the other units - is their LB group. I think Kyle intended to lean on Kittle (four receptions and a TD in less than two full drives), and losing him on top of missing Aiyuk, Robinson, Cowing, and Watkins really stymied a lot of what we would otherwise do. Losing Jennings didn't help, either.

I think Pearsall is a good player, but he's not a guy who is going to take over a game when he's getting the lions' share of the coverage attention. And CMC can only touch the ball so many times. By the end of that game, we were just trying to hang on.

Nick Emmanwori got hurt (ankle) on the first drive & didn't return. You saw the Niners quickly attack his replacement (Ty Okada) & Kittle took advantage with that touchdown. But I think the plan was to put Emmanwori on Kittle. Then they had to adjust quickly until Kittle went out.

Ernest Jones played a good game. He got an interception off Purdy. But outside of the starters, they don't have a ton of depth at LB. Defending the middle of the field has been an issue in the past. So, that's a completely fair take.

Fred Warner is so good that he was causing problems for them. Their LB's did an excellent job defending the run.

The Niners made one or two more plays & that was the difference.


I think Emmanwori can be really good, but defending Kittle in his first NFL game is probably not a recipe for success. Still, feels pretty lucky for the Niners to get out of that one with a win. I'll be very interested to watch Seattle this year. Until Darnold shows he can produce behind the OL, it's hard to see them as a serious SB contender, but they should be right in the playoff mix. And it's not at all certain the Niners are a SB contender, either.

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