Bears thread 13

[dougthonus]

Figured this was a good time to cut it since we're near 100 pages and we can hope for some good news with a bit of an easier schedule the next couple games and flush those first two games

[panthermark]

Tight ends targeted with Bagent in the game.

I don't understand this. Kmet is actually good, right? 3 receptions all season. Low hanging fruit.

How many targets between Kmet and Loveland through 2 games?

Targets:

Rome - 20
OZ - 12
DJ - 11
Swift - 8
Kmet - 6
KM - 4
Loveland and LBIII - 3

So 9 combined for the TE's through 2 games.

[Almost Retired]

Should the Bears keep JJ and Gordon out until after the bye week? Those soft tissue injuries can linger, especially hamstring and groin injuries. And if you're not careful with hamstrings it could result in an achilles tear. And it's not out of the question that both guys will not be at their usual level of performance all season.

And another observation. Why do some of our players seem to regress rather than improve? Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, Montez Sweat, Brisker....are all playing worse now than they did two seasons ago. And the first two games have really exposed our glaring weaknesses. Still no pass rush, lack of an RB1, and a porous defensive backfield with no depth. Lack of a pass rush is the primary thing that's killing us. We don't get pressure from the EDGE or the tackles. But at least we have the deepest WR room in the league.

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[Jvaughn]

Figured this was a good time to cut it since we're near 100 pages and we can hope for some good news with a bit of an easier schedule the next couple games and flush those first two games

You would hope so. But if this O-line and D-line don't get their acts together quick, I'm not sure the outcome is going to be much different.

[cocktailswith_2short]

That schedule isn't getting any easier . Cowboys and Raiders are pretty good . Overall your schedule is brutal you'll be dogs in every game but saints and browns potentially.

[Dresden]

Should the Bears keep JJ and Gordon out until after the bye week? Those soft tissue injuries can linger, especially hamstring and groin injuries. And if you're not careful with hamstrings it could result in an achilles tear. And it's not out of the question that both guys will not be at their usual level of performance all season.

And another observation. Why do some of our players seem to regress rather than improve? Darnell Wright, Tyrique Stevenson, Montez Sweat, Brisker....are all playing worse now than they did two seasons ago. And the first two games have really exposed our glaring weaknesses. Still no pass rush, lack of an RB1, and a porous defensive backfield with no depth. Lack of a pass rush is the primary thing that's killing us. We don't get pressure from the EDGE or the tackles. But at least we have the deepest WR room in the league.

Yeah they should definitely keep anyone out who is not quite there yet. We saw last night when guys try to play too soon what happens.

Good question about why some of these guys look worse. I think part of it is a team thing. Poor team play makes everyone look worse than they are, which makes it hard to evaluate individuals.

The lack of a pass rush makes our secondary look a lot worse than it is. On that first long completion to Amon St. Brown, Goff had all day to throw. Against a really good offense, they will pick you apart if you give them that much time.

[Susan]

That schedule isn't getting any easier . Cowboys and Raiders are pretty good . Overall your schedule is brutal you'll be dogs in every game but saints and browns potentially.

Cowboys played the Eagles tight in Philly and won a crazy one yesterday - no clue why they're 1.5 pt favorites. Eberflus did a good job against Johnson's offense when he was in Detroit and you gotta think he's geared up for a revenge game.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

That schedule isn't getting any easier . Cowboys and Raiders are pretty good . Overall your schedule is brutal you'll be dogs in every game but saints and browns potentially.

Cowboys played the Eagles tight in Philly and won a crazy one yesterday - no clue why they're 1.5 pt favorites. Eberflus did a good job against Johnson's offense when he was in Detroit and you gotta think he's geared up for a revenge game.

I imagine that line will shift wildly in Dallas’ favor this week, just like the line moved toward Detroit last week. Wish I lived in a sanctioned sports gambling state. 1.5 points is a steal and it won’t last long.

[patryk7754]

Overall, I thought Williams was better in the pocket against the Lions (as in, he didn't look completely out of place). Our secondary needs to get healthy asap. No more excuses for Stevenson, and he's proven he's definitely not a CB1 and almost definitely not a CB2. Unfortunately, it just looks like Williams can't be consistently accurate when throwing past 10 yards. A lot of that seems to him to be constantly rushing himself and throwing off balance. If he can fix that, it would come down to him fundamentally changing who he is as a passer, and retraining himself will be difficult and probably something that will take more than just this season to fix.

As for Poles, I'm not ready to say I was wrong about him. I still want to give these players time to learn how to play under Johnson and the rest of the coaching staff, but it's not looking good for Poles and his ability to draft

[patryk7754]

The Cowboys defense seems to be pure trash, so maybe we can use it as a "get right" game for the team. But, I'd say a lot of the woes of the team is self-inflicted.

[jnrjr79]

That schedule isn't getting any easier . Cowboys and Raiders are pretty good . Overall your schedule is brutal you'll be dogs in every game but saints and browns potentially.

Cowboys played the Eagles tight in Philly and won a crazy one yesterday - no clue why they're 1.5 pt favorites. Eberflus did a good job against Johnson's offense when he was in Detroit and you gotta think he's geared up for a revenge game.

Russell Wilson, who has looked terrible in recent years, just hung a billion points on the Cowboys defense, so I'm not so much worried about Flus as I am the Bears' D's ability to stop what looks to be a good Cowboys offense.

Without Jaylen Johnson, things could get ugly.

[Dresden]

The Cowboys defense seems to be pure trash, so maybe we can use it as a "get right" game for the team. But, I'd say a lot of the woes of the team is self-inflicted.

It's so bad, fans in Dallas are saying they need to fire Eberflus.

[Dresden]

Overall, I thought Williams was better in the pocket against the Lions (as in, he didn't look completely out of place). Our secondary needs to get healthy asap. No more excuses for Stevenson, and he's proven he's definitely not a CB1 and almost definitely not a CB2. Unfortunately, it just looks like Williams can't be consistently accurate when throwing past 10 yards. A lot of that seems to him to be constantly rushing himself and throwing off balance. If he can fix that, it would come down to him fundamentally changing who he is as a passer, and retraining himself will be difficult and probably something that will take more than just this season to fix.

As for Poles, I'm not ready to say I was wrong about him. I still want to give these players time to learn how to play under Johnson and the rest of the coaching staff, but it's not looking good for Poles and his ability to draft

I thought Caleb looked great in the first half. those two drives where he marched them right down the field for TD's were impressive. He was picking apart the Lions secondary. I don't worry about his deep ball accuracy. He hit a number of plays in the 20 yard range last night and was right on target with those throws. The only deep ball I recall him over throwing was the one to Rome where he was double covered, and so it's likely he was just throwing it away.

I've defended Poles but am starting to change my opinion of him, too. I'll give him the rest of this season, but if they have another 6-7 win year, it may be time to change course.

[patryk7754]

The Cowboys defense seems to be pure trash, so maybe we can use it as a "get right" game for the team. But, I'd say a lot of the woes of the team is self-inflicted.

It's so bad, fans in Dallas are saying they need to fire Eberflus.

To be fair to him, they traded one of the best players away, I think their secondary isn't healthy, and Overshown is also hurt. but still, giving up 400 yards to a 70 year old Russ is not a good look

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How many times do people say the cap doesn’t matter. We can add 45 million dollar players any time we want

[jacoby1us]

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The Bears are in salary cap hell with those players, this has been the worse case scenario start for the Bears this season under new HC Ben Johnson. I honestly don't know what else they can do as the flexibility is not there, our defense is hurt and overpaid, we don't have a consistent run game as Johnson wasn't even used in the backfield yesterday. Not to mention our QB is afraid of the pocket and can only see one WR on the field that he trusts.

[jnrjr79]

Schefter reporting that JJ is out indefinitely with the groin injury and the Bears are investigating whether he needs surgery.

Not great, Bob.

[Dresden]

Schefter reporting that JJ is out indefinitely with the groin injury and the Bears are investigating whether he needs surgery.

Not great, Bob.

Sounds like he's out at least a couple months, possibly the season. And with Gordon still not right, we're going to be giving up a lot of points unless Stevenson and Wright and McCloud suddenly turn into all-pro's.