Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

AirP. · Post #3041 » by **AirP.** » Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:32 pm

statsman · Post #3042 » by **statsman** » Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:35 pm

The nightmare continues ...

azwfan · Post #3043 » by **azwfan** » Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:59 pm

I think at least 1/3 of the posts in this thread is fluff for the purpose of getting the thread to 200 pages before Oct 1…. And im here for it.

/fluffpost

whatisacenter · Post #3044 » by **whatisacenter** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:08 am

JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

statsman · Post #3045 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:47 am

whatisacenter wrote:JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

I wish there was a decent S&T offer that gave the Warriors one or two rotation players without the need to toss anyone from their roster in order to stay under a 2nd apron hard cap.

The problem with this thought is Lacob wants tradable asset(s). He's still looking at the next timeline rather than just playing out the next couple of seasons.

bay2hk · Post #3046 » by **bay2hk** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:53 am

Just force buminga to sign the QO and make him come off the bench. If he doesn’t like it he can rot on the bench during the season and sign for the minimum next off season

Crazy-Canuck · Post #3047 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:18 am

whatisacenter wrote:JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

In the espn insider report from sham and slater, it mentions that kumingas camp has no issue with kerr.

Their issue is playing with steph, jimmy, and dray. They know it'll be tough to get the minutes and touches kuminga desires. It's why they want lacob to intervene and offer that overpayment to compensate.

Kuminga's personal relationship with Kerr isn't a problem. The messaging from Kerr and the Warriors is that Kuminga would have a substantial role t to open next season, per sources. They could use his youth and scoring on the wing. But in negotiations, Kuminga's side has regularly referred to some postseason comments where Kerr highlighted the difficulty of fitting Kuminga next to Curry, Butler and Green for heavy minutes and expecting to win at the highest level. It's proof to them that the basketball fit is less than ideal for the trajectory of Kuminga's career.

whatisacenter · Post #3048 » by **whatisacenter** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:38 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

In the espn insider report from sham and slater, it mentions that kumingas camp has no issue with kerr.

Their issue is playing with steph, jimmy, and dray. They know it'll be tough to get the minutes and touches kuminga desires. It's why they want lacob to intervene and offer that overpayment to compensate.

Kuminga's personal relationship with Kerr isn't a problem. The messaging from Kerr and the Warriors is that Kuminga would have a substantial role t to open next season, per sources. They could use his youth and scoring on the wing. But in negotiations, Kuminga's side has regularly referred to some postseason comments where Kerr highlighted the difficulty of fitting Kuminga next to Curry, Butler and Green for heavy minutes and expecting to win at the highest level. It's proof to them that the basketball fit is less than ideal for the trajectory of Kuminga's career.

Do you honestly believe that Kerr wants him on the roster and that JK wants to be here next season?

Crazy-Canuck · Post #3049 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:53 am

whatisacenter wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

In the espn insider report from sham and slater, it mentions that kumingas camp has no issue with kerr.

Their issue is playing with steph, jimmy, and dray. They know it'll be tough to get the minutes and touches kuminga desires. It's why they want lacob to intervene and offer that overpayment to compensate.

Kuminga's personal relationship with Kerr isn't a problem. The messaging from Kerr and the Warriors is that Kuminga would have a substantial role t to open next season, per sources. They could use his youth and scoring on the wing. But in negotiations, Kuminga's side has regularly referred to some postseason comments where Kerr highlighted the difficulty of fitting Kuminga next to Curry, Butler and Green for heavy minutes and expecting to win at the highest level. It's proof to them that the basketball fit is less than ideal for the trajectory of Kuminga's career.

Do you honestly believe that Kerr wants him on the roster and that JK wants to be here next season?

No one wants kuminga on the roster except lacob. My point was that it isn't personal. Its basketball.

Imo, it's the smartest thing his camp has said thus far. They are acknowledging that they don't fit with steph, jimmy, and dray.

EvanZ · Post #3050 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:09 am

His camp makes no sense. They don't have their story straight. If he doesn't want to be in GS he should take the $50M and be happy to get traded to a team that wants him. There's not a single shred of logic in their position.

statsman · Post #3051 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:22 am

EvanZ wrote:His camp makes no sense. They don't have their story straight. If he doesn't want to be in GS he should take the $50M and be happy to get traded to a team that wants him. There's not a single shred of logic in their position.

Maybe, but Lacob has upped the offer from the Warriors. The only team the Warriors are bidding against are themselves. It's an embarrassment that Lacob is getting played by Kuminga's agent.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #3052 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:26 am

EvanZ wrote:His camp makes no sense. They don't have their story straight. If he doesn't want to be in GS he should take the $50M and be happy to get traded to a team that wants him. There's not a single shred of logic in their position.

It's making even more sense now. Kuminga and his camp all but confirmed that lacob is their trump card. That's their leverage.

If we start hearing rumors of a steph, dray, or jimmy trade.... then lacob has put his foot down and got a team kuminga tattoo on his lower back.

HiRez · Post #3053 » by **HiRez** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:43 am

EvanZ wrote:His camp makes no sense. They don't have their story straight. If he doesn't want to be in GS he should take the $50M and be happy to get traded to a team that wants him. There's not a single shred of logic in their position.

They're kind of working against themselves as much as the Warriors. If he settles for a lower number, it kind of sets a baseline that could affect the next 5-10 years of his career earnings (the same way that if one of us takes a lowball $90K offer for a job when we could get $105K, it matters a lot down the line because it's going to take years of raises just to get back to that number). But, the more money the contract is for, the harder it's going to be to trade him, which I assume to be the goal. Same thing with the team option, he doesn't want it because it gives the Warriors too much control and could put him in a bad position, yet a team trying to trade for him might find that option very enticing and open up more competition.

I really think he needs to decide whether he just wants as much cash as he can get or whether he wants to move on to another team and start over. If it's the latter he's going to have to sacrifice something in the short term to get there. But he and his agent seem to be confused as to what their priority is.

statsman · Post #3054 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:48 am

HiRez wrote:I really think he needs to decide whether he just wants as much cash as he can get or whether he wants to move on to another team and start over. If it's the latter he's going to have to sacrifice something in the short term to get there. But he and his agent seem to be confused as to what their priority is.

I don't think the agent is confused at all. Lacob is now pitching over more money. A fair amount more. All they need to do is hem and haw for another week or so, and Lacob will increase it further. As was stated, Lacob is their ace in the hole. MDJ should just resign and let Lacob officially GM the team.

DonaldSanders · Post #3055 » by **DonaldSanders** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 4:56 am

whatisacenter wrote:Do you honestly believe that Kerr wants him on the roster and that JK wants to be here next season?

I don't think Steve hates him like many here seem to think. Steve sees him as a still developing player, but the Warriors are on a win-now team. I think Steve believes he can find good use for him, especially during the regular season when Steph, Jimmy, Dray need time off.

Obviously JK wants to leave (and there are better uses of the salary for a win now team), and the fit hasn't been great. I think it's really JK who wants to get out of town ASAP, which makes sense since he would get more play time elsewhere. I'm just not buying this Steve hates Kuminga schtick.

I'm sure Steve would take many trades involving JK, but that doesn't mean there is some dislike where he outright just doesn't want him here.

Twinkie defense · Post #3056 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:43 am

whatisacenter wrote:JK and his agent held firm and the Warriors have come off their ridiculous offer... they just need to bite the bullet and settle for a S&T at this point.

Kerr doesn't want him and JK wants to bolt.

Warriors have made very generous offers and they aren't going to do a sign and trade until someone offers something good in return.

Romulus · Post #3057 » by **Romulus** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:03 am

Could have had Siakam, OG, or even Caruso. In every case, Joe Lacob said no. What kind of moron is running this team and turning down those deals? Geez.

Onus · Post #3058 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:59 am

Romulus wrote:Could have had Siakam, OG, or even Caruso. In every case, Joe Lacob said no. What kind of moron is running this team and turning down those deals? Geez.

Lacob. Which is why this entire negotiation is stupid. Mjd is negotiating against lacob. Good thing there’s a cap to what we can actually offer this year since we’ve made all of these deals that haven’t been signed yet otherwise lacob would probably cave and give jk a max.

AirP. · Post #3059 » by **AirP.** » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:15 pm

Romulus wrote:Could have had Siakam, OG, or even Caruso. In every case, Joe Lacob said no. What kind of moron is running this team and turning down those deals? Geez.

The situation is dramatically different now than it was last season. Obviously, Lacob really likes Kuminga and there's a lot to like about Kuminga although he's not really a good fit for this current roster. Last year the Warriors and Kerr started moving towards developing Kuminga, the injury happened to Kuminga and something seemed to internally changed with GS for them to make a hard pivot to go after KD then Butler to allow Curry to play meaningful games and be a better team. Normally these hard pivots come with GM or coaching changes but something else triggered this hard pivot for the franchise.

NW · Post #3060 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:20 pm

statsman wrote:
EvanZ wrote:His camp makes no sense. They don't have their story straight. If he doesn't want to be in GS he should take the $50M and be happy to get traded to a team that wants him. There's not a single shred of logic in their position.

Maybe, but Lacob has upped the offer from the Warriors. The only team the Warriors are bidding against are themselves. It's an embarrassment that Lacob is getting played by Kuminga's agent.

The Warriors upped the offer from the Warriors imo. Let's face it, the 1+1 where JK gives up the NTC and no player option was a lowball insult offer. They had to know he wasn't taking it and likely takes the QO on principle alone. All the pundits said the Warriors would negotiate and up the guaranteed money while keeping him on a tradeable deal.

The current offer is where they make their stand. If he wants control so bad as to turn down $45 mil guaranteed to take the QO, then so be it. Means Kuminga and Turner were never serious in the first place. Good luck talking the Bulls or Lakers into giving you that money next summer.