Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

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[DonaldSanders]

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An unprotected Kings pick is like gold. I'm guessing this JK news is released in response by JK's team?

I'd be shocked if the Kings were interested in removing protection, and if they offered that we'd snatch that trade instantly with a huge fist pump.

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I'd like to add to why GS isn't interested in Monk...

Curry, Melton, Monk and Podz all needing minutes in the backcourt, someone isn't being used like they should be while GS would be getting rid of 2 players who can play the wing in Kuminga and one of Moody or Hield.

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[statsman]

Thank you for posting Siegel's comments about needing to jettison Hield or Moody (along with *that* cost) in order to give Kuminga to the Kings while also taking on Monk, who is a mediocre starter and an overpaid 6th/7th man.

[whatisacenter]

Some of you get so worked up over JK.

I was told he would sign the Warriors offer that was a lowball/insult offer. Now the team has increased their offer.

Everyone was saying that JK and his agent were idiots but now they are getting closer to what they originally brought to the Warriors early in the offseason.

Some of you seem confused by what JK wants most of all which is playing time....He wants a S&T to a team that is offering a starting role above all else even if it is for less $.

Some of you think he will be begging for $ next offseason if he does sign the QO but I have read that at least 10 teams will have cap space next year.

And finally, some of you think Lacob is messing this all up for MDJ....if the Warriors didn't budge on their original offer they would have no path to improving this roster if JK signs the QO. I don't agree with most of you who believe this roster could be a title contender, but if I did, I would WANT the FO to offer JK a better contract so they would have a trade chip.

I know, I know....JK sucks and giving him a better contract is a mistake because they won't be able to move it. Then just make it a 1 yr balloon contract/basically a suped up QO like his camp suggested.

[EvanZ]

Just give us Keon Ellis and be done with it.

[statsman]

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I think a good portion of the nonsense we've been watching this offseason can be linked back to Lacob and the above report. Acquiring someone like Keon Ellis would help the roster, but it's doesn't do much for the Giannis (and now Jokic) dream. It also indicates that Lacob is still thinking about the post-Curry Warriors as much, if not more, than the current roster.

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I think a good portion of the nonsense we've been watching this offseason can be linked back to Lacob and the above report. Acquiring someone like Keon Ellis would help the roster, but it's doesn't do much for the Giannis (and now Jokic) dream. It also indicates that Lacob is still thinking about the post-Curry Warriors as much, if not more, than the current roster.

I think he is trying to do both.

[EvanZ]

So the dream is to have $140M in cap room and sign Giannis and Jokic to $70M AAV contracts?

[whatisacenter]

So the dream is to have $140M in cap room and sign Giannis and Jokic to $70M AAV contracts?

LOL, does it say he wants both?

[statsman]

So the dream is to have $140M in cap room and sign Giannis and Jokic to $70M AAV contracts?

Likely it's one or the other. But if the plan is to have cap space in 2027, then why worry about having tradable assets now? If not Giannis now, exactly who would be targeted?

If they really want the ability to have the cap space in 2027, why not just sign Kuminga to a 2/45 contract with no options? The Warriors could still trade him after January 15th. It's not like they are going to have a realistic shot at picking up frontcourt help who is better than Kuminga.

[EvanZ]

Thank you for posting Siegel's comments about needing to jettison Hield or Moody (along with *that* cost) in order to give Kuminga to the Kings while also taking on Monk, who is a mediocre starter and an overpaid 6th/7th man.

FWIW, Sam did mention this:

As it relates to the Kings, who have offered veteran guard Malik Monk and a protected 2030 first-round pick to the Warriors while agreeing to give Kuminga a three-year, $63 million deal, their insistence on including protections on the first-rounder remains the main obstacle to a possible deal. If the protections were dropped completely, there are some stakeholders who believe the Warriors would likely change their stance. As I reported previously, the fact that the Warriors would likely have to trade Moses Moody or Buddy Hield to stay under the first apron of the luxury tax in a Kings deal is also known to be a deterrent. And that’s not the only financial factor here, either.

[statsman]

Thank you for posting Siegel's comments about needing to jettison Hield or Moody (along with *that* cost) in order to give Kuminga to the Kings while also taking on Monk, who is a mediocre starter and an overpaid 6th/7th man.

FWIW, Sam did mention this:

As it relates to the Kings, who have offered veteran guard Malik Monk and a protected 2030 first-round pick to the Warriors while agreeing to give Kuminga a three-year, $63 million deal, their insistence on including protections on the first-rounder remains the main obstacle to a possible deal. If the protections were dropped completely, there are some stakeholders who believe the Warriors would likely change their stance. As I reported previously, the fact that the Warriors would likely have to trade Moses Moody or Buddy Hield to stay under the first apron of the luxury tax in a Kings deal is also known to be a deterrent. And that’s not the only financial factor here, either.

I don't see those comments on his X post, at least the part I can view (no X account). If it's in The Athletic post, I can't see that statement (no account).

[NW]

Some of you get so worked up over JK.

I was told he would sign the Warriors offer that was a lowball/insult offer. Now the team has increased their offer.

Everyone was saying that JK and his agent were idiots but now they are getting closer to what they originally brought to the Warriors early in the offseason.

Some of you seem confused by what JK wants most of all which is playing time....He wants a S&T to a team that is offering a starting role above all else even if it is for less $.

Some of you think he will be begging for $ next offseason if he does sign the QO but I have read that at least 10 teams will have cap space next year.

And finally, some of you think Lacob is messing this all up for MDJ....if the Warriors didn't budge on their original offer they would have no path to improving this roster if JK signs the QO. I don't agree with most of you who believe this roster could be a title contender, but if I did, I would WANT the FO to offer JK a better contract so they would have a trade chip.

I know, I know....JK sucks and giving him a better contract is a mistake because they won't be able to move it. Then just make it a 1 yr balloon contract/basically a suped up QO like his camp suggested.

Aaron Turner, is that you?

No one realistically believed you and Kuminga were taking the lowball offer. Upping the guaranteed money was always in the holster.

It’s obvious Kuminga wants a new team ASAP where he gets money, minutes and touches. Only way he gets it all is through the Warriors. The 10 teams with cap room assume those teams release all their pending FAs with cap holds and don’t re-sign them. Highly unlikely. You and Kuminga want to take the $8mil QO and hope one of the teams that end up with cap room want to give $25 mil of it to you to start? Go for it. So far all I’ve seen is JK as the Bulls backup plan if someone else overpays Coby White or the Lakers if LeBron starts a new league. Suns and Kings won’t have the cap.

And give him a one-year balloon deal to give him a ton more money but stick the Warriors with a trade him by the deadline or lose him for nothing situation? Teams would offer crap deals that would have Dunleavy dreaming of the days of Devin Carter offers. Not even you believe that makes sense

[HiRez]

Just give us Keon Ellis and be done with it.

That's my preferred offer from the Kings. An unprotected first sure sounds yummy but it's not going to help Steph compete in the short term. And if Ellis is coming back (a young, legit 2 with decent size who can both shoot and defend), giving up Hield or Moody to make it happen shouldn't be an obstacle.

[whatisacenter]

Some of you get so worked up over JK.

I was told he would sign the Warriors offer that was a lowball/insult offer. Now the team has increased their offer.

Everyone was saying that JK and his agent were idiots but now they are getting closer to what they originally brought to the Warriors early in the offseason.

Some of you seem confused by what JK wants most of all which is playing time....He wants a S&T to a team that is offering a starting role above all else even if it is for less $.

Some of you think he will be begging for $ next offseason if he does sign the QO but I have read that at least 10 teams will have cap space next year.

And finally, some of you think Lacob is messing this all up for MDJ....if the Warriors didn't budge on their original offer they would have no path to improving this roster if JK signs the QO. I don't agree with most of you who believe this roster could be a title contender, but if I did, I would WANT the FO to offer JK a better contract so they would have a trade chip.

I know, I know....JK sucks and giving him a better contract is a mistake because they won't be able to move it. Then just make it a 1 yr balloon contract/basically a suped up QO like his camp suggested.

Aaron Turner, is that you?

No one realistically believed you and Kuminga were taking the lowball offer. Upping the guaranteed money was always in the holster.

It’s obvious Kuminga wants a new team ASAP where he gets money, minutes and touches. Only way he gets it all is through the Warriors. The 10 teams with cap room assume those teams release all their pending FAs with cap holds and don’t re-sign them. Highly unlikely. You and Kuminga want to take the $8mil QO and hope one of the teams that end up with cap room want to give $25 mil of it to you to start? Go for it. So far all I’ve seen is JK as the Bulls backup plan if someone else overpays Coby White or the Lakers if LeBron starts a new league. Suns and Kings won’t have the cap.

And give him a one-year balloon deal to give him a ton more money but stick the Warriors with a trade him by the deadline or lose him for nothing situation? Teams would offer crap deals that would have Dunleavy dreaming of the days of Devin Carter offers. Not even you believe that makes sense

Read the thread.

What do you see happening?

[NW]

Thank you for posting Siegel's comments about needing to jettison Hield or Moody (along with *that* cost) in order to give Kuminga to the Kings while also taking on Monk, who is a mediocre starter and an overpaid 6th/7th man.

FWIW, Sam did mention this:

As it relates to the Kings, who have offered veteran guard Malik Monk and a protected 2030 first-round pick to the Warriors while agreeing to give Kuminga a three-year, $63 million deal, their insistence on including protections on the first-rounder remains the main obstacle to a possible deal. If the protections were dropped completely, there are some stakeholders who believe the Warriors would likely change their stance. As I reported previously, the fact that the Warriors would likely have to trade Moses Moody or Buddy Hield to stay under the first apron of the luxury tax in a Kings deal is also known to be a deterrent. And that’s not the only financial factor here, either.

I don't see those comments on his X post, at least the part I can view (no X account). If it's in The Athletic post, I can't see that statement (no account).

I think that part was added later.

Amick’s overall article sounds like it’s from the Kuminga/Turner camp. Really pushing that a third year guaranteed pushes the deal over the finish line.

Which is how you know all this “believe in myself” stuff is BS. Three years guaranteed would make him a lot tougher to trade and he’d be stuck in GS longer than he wants. But he’ll take that over risking going into UFA off a QO imo

[NW]

Some of you get so worked up over JK.

I was told he would sign the Warriors offer that was a lowball/insult offer. Now the team has increased their offer.

Everyone was saying that JK and his agent were idiots but now they are getting closer to what they originally brought to the Warriors early in the offseason.

Some of you seem confused by what JK wants most of all which is playing time....He wants a S&T to a team that is offering a starting role above all else even if it is for less $.

Some of you think he will be begging for $ next offseason if he does sign the QO but I have read that at least 10 teams will have cap space next year.

And finally, some of you think Lacob is messing this all up for MDJ....if the Warriors didn't budge on their original offer they would have no path to improving this roster if JK signs the QO. I don't agree with most of you who believe this roster could be a title contender, but if I did, I would WANT the FO to offer JK a better contract so they would have a trade chip.

I know, I know....JK sucks and giving him a better contract is a mistake because they won't be able to move it. Then just make it a 1 yr balloon contract/basically a suped up QO like his camp suggested.

Aaron Turner, is that you?

No one realistically believed you and Kuminga were taking the lowball offer. Upping the guaranteed money was always in the holster.

It’s obvious Kuminga wants a new team ASAP where he gets money, minutes and touches. Only way he gets it all is through the Warriors. The 10 teams with cap room assume those teams release all their pending FAs with cap holds and don’t re-sign them. Highly unlikely. You and Kuminga want to take the $8mil QO and hope one of the teams that end up with cap room want to give $25 mil of it to you to start? Go for it. So far all I’ve seen is JK as the Bulls backup plan if someone else overpays Coby White or the Lakers if LeBron starts a new league. Suns and Kings won’t have the cap.

And give him a one-year balloon deal to give him a ton more money but stick the Warriors with a trade him by the deadline or lose him for nothing situation? Teams would offer crap deals that would have Dunleavy dreaming of the days of Devin Carter offers. Not even you believe that makes sense

Read the thread.

What do you see happening?

I think he takes the 2+1, which was always the likely scenario in the middle of the initial GS lowball offer and Kuminga’s Hope of 3 years guaranteed or a S&T to the Kings or Suns for longer (If he wanted that, he and Turner should have spent this time telling the Kings they need him more than Keon Ellis)

[HiRez]

We definitely have a hostage situation, I just can't decide who the hostage is.

[statsman]

We definitely have a hostage situation, I just can't decide who the hostage is.

Everyone not participating in the negotiations.