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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3081 » by tal57 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:08 pm

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Romulus wrote:Could have had Siakam, OG, or even Caruso. In every case, Joe Lacob said no. What kind of moron is running this team and turning down those deals? Geez.

The situation is dramatically different now than it was last season. Obviously, Lacob really likes Kuminga and there's a lot to like about Kuminga although he's not really a good fit for this current roster. Last year the Warriors and Kerr started moving towards developing Kuminga, the injury happened to Kuminga and something seemed to internally changed with GS for them to make a hard pivot to go after KD then Butler to allow Curry to play meaningful games and be a better team. Normally these hard pivots come with GM or coaching changes but something else triggered this hard pivot for the franchise.

Perhaps Lacob sincerely likes Kuminga, but there are many players in the league liked by their owners without being "loved" if you know what I mean. There is much more than that, Lacob's enormous ego that only stratosphere from the time he took over the laughingstock of the NBA through a dynasty. Many factors were involved into building the dynasty, not just him. He inherited Curry and frankly West was responsible for a lion's share in both PR / legitimacy stability (why Lacob smartly brought him in to begin with) as well, as becoming practically the main architect of the team, and eventually his last act of the closer on bringing in KD. Regardless, it all happened on the Lacob's ownership watch and skyrocketed his ego into believing he could be a grate GM. It took an enormous hit with Wiseman pick; he can't crap the bed with only two back-to-back high lotto picks he ever had.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3082 » by EvanZ » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:26 pm

It's not about whether he likes Kuminga. It's about whether his ego is too big to accept "his pick" failed (again).
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3083 » by EvanZ » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:28 pm

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statsman wrote:Thank you for posting Siegel's comments about needing to jettison Hield or Moody (along with *that* cost) in order to give Kuminga to the Kings while also taking on Monk, who is a mediocre starter and an overpaid 6th/7th man.

FWIW, Sam did mention this:

As it relates to the Kings, who have offered veteran guard Malik Monk and a protected 2030 first-round pick to the Warriors while agreeing to give Kuminga a three-year, $63 million deal, their insistence on including protections on the first-rounder remains the main obstacle to a possible deal. If the protections were dropped completely, there are some stakeholders who believe the Warriors would likely change their stance. As I reported previously, the fact that the Warriors would likely have to trade Moses Moody or Buddy Hield to stay under the first apron of the luxury tax in a Kings deal is also known to be a deterrent. And that’s not the only financial factor here, either.

I don't see those comments on his X post, at least the part I can view (no X account). If it's in The Athletic post, I can't see that statement (no account).


Hence why I posted it here bro. It is a direct quote from Sam's article.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3084 » by whatisacenter » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:30 pm

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Aaron Turner, is that you?

No one realistically believed you and Kuminga were taking the lowball offer. Upping the guaranteed money was always in the holster.

It’s obvious Kuminga wants a new team ASAP where he gets money, minutes and touches. Only way he gets it all is through the Warriors. The 10 teams with cap room assume those teams release all their pending FAs with cap holds and don’t re-sign them. Highly unlikely. You and Kuminga want to take the $8mil QO and hope one of the teams that end up with cap room want to give $25 mil of it to you to start? Go for it. So far all I’ve seen is JK as the Bulls backup plan if someone else overpays Coby White or the Lakers if LeBron starts a new league. Suns and Kings won’t have the cap.

And give him a one-year balloon deal to give him a ton more money but stick the Warriors with a trade him by the deadline or lose him for nothing situation? Teams would offer crap deals that would have Dunleavy dreaming of the days of Devin Carter offers. Not even you believe that makes sense


Read the thread.

What do you see happening?


I think he takes the 2+1, which was always the likely scenario in the middle of the initial GS lowball offer and Kuminga’s Hope of 3 years guaranteed or a S&T to the Kings or Suns for longer (If he wanted that, he and Turner should have spent this time telling the Kings they need him more than Keon Ellis)


I don’t think JK accepts any of the current offers from the Warriors.

I think the Kings want JK and Keon.

I also don’t think Turner has done as bad a job as most people here make it out to be. And I wish I was JK’s agent.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3085 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:42 pm

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Read the thread.

What do you see happening?


I think he takes the 2+1, which was always the likely scenario in the middle of the initial GS lowball offer and Kuminga’s Hope of 3 years guaranteed or a S&T to the Kings or Suns for longer (If he wanted that, he and Turner should have spent this time telling the Kings they need him more than Keon Ellis)


I don’t think JK accepts any of the current offers from the Warriors.

I think the Kings want JK and Keon.

I also don’t think Turner has done as bad a job as most people here make it out to be. And I wish I was JK’s agent.


You sound like the burner account of JKs agent lol. If he passes on two years $48 mil guaranteed because he didn’t get a third year, he’s an idiot imo. He’s unlikely to recoup that. Don’t believe for a second he’s getting big offers in the offseason. The whole “10 teams with cap room” is BS. Last year at this time, Bobby Marks predicted 7 teams with cap room this summer. By the time summer got here, it was basically the Nets. Probably will be similar next summer.

Kuminga will be on a team that believes in him on a MLE deal
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3086 » by statsman » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:47 pm

NW wrote:Don’t believe for a second he’s getting big offers in the offseason. The whole “10 teams with cap room” is BS. Last year at this time, Bobby Marks predicted 7 teams with cap room this summer. By the time summer got here, it was basically the Nets. Probably will be similar next summer.

Beyond the RFAs and UFAs expected for the next offseason competing for cap space offers, there would also be Cam Thomas and Kuminga (if he signs the QO). Not sure about Grimes.

I would imagine teams and players have been closely watching this offseason, and there may be an attempt for them to avoid the same nightmares the teams and players went through this offseason. In that sense, I think you are right in that there might not be as many teams with cap space as some are predicting once July 1, 2026 rolls around.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3087 » by Onus » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:17 pm

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NW wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
Read the thread.

What do you see happening?


I think he takes the 2+1, which was always the likely scenario in the middle of the initial GS lowball offer and Kuminga’s Hope of 3 years guaranteed or a S&T to the Kings or Suns for longer (If he wanted that, he and Turner should have spent this time telling the Kings they need him more than Keon Ellis)


I don’t think JK accepts any of the current offers from the Warriors.

I think the Kings want JK and Keon.

I also don’t think Turner has done as bad a job as most people here make it out to be. And I wish I was JK’s agent.

Yea Turner has done a decent job this summer. Has gotten the warriors to up their offer. Has at least 2 years 45 guaranteed. I really didn't think the warriors would increase their offer, but I didn't include Lacob's ego in my calculus.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3088 » by whatisacenter » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:51 pm

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I think he takes the 2+1, which was always the likely scenario in the middle of the initial GS lowball offer and Kuminga’s Hope of 3 years guaranteed or a S&T to the Kings or Suns for longer (If he wanted that, he and Turner should have spent this time telling the Kings they need him more than Keon Ellis)


I don’t think JK accepts any of the current offers from the Warriors.

I think the Kings want JK and Keon.

I also don’t think Turner has done as bad a job as most people here make it out to be. And I wish I was JK’s agent.


You sound like the burner account of JKs agent
lol. If he passes on two years $48 mil guaranteed because he didn’t get a third year, he’s an idiot imo. He’s unlikely to recoup that. Don’t believe for a second he’s getting big offers in the offseason. The whole “10 teams with cap room” is BS. Last year at this time, Bobby Marks predicted 7 teams with cap room this summer. By the time summer got here, it was basically the Nets. Probably will be similar next summer.

Kuminga will be on a team that believes in him on a MLE deal


Nope, I’m just one of maybe two JK fans on this board.

Before he was going to be an idiot for turning down the original offer and now he will if he turns this one down.

Time will tell, but I bet you he doesn’t sign this current two year offer either. I think his first choice is still a sign and trade and his second choice would be a contract with the Warriors that gives him more control over his future than what’s currently being offered.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3089 » by Ilovethebay » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:52 pm

Loving the way this thread is playing out. 90% of the people here wanted him gone. The same people didn’t think he would be getting anywhere near to what they are offering now. Looks like Kuminga and his agent are turning out to be the smart ones while 90% of the regular posters in this thread are turning out to be the opposite. This is absolutely delicious.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3090 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:00 pm

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NW wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
I don’t think JK accepts any of the current offers from the Warriors.

I think the Kings want JK and Keon.

I also don’t think Turner has done as bad a job as most people here make it out to be. And I wish I was JK’s agent.


You sound like the burner account of JKs agent
lol. If he passes on two years $48 mil guaranteed because he didn’t get a third year, he’s an idiot imo. He’s unlikely to recoup that. Don’t believe for a second he’s getting big offers in the offseason. The whole “10 teams with cap room” is BS. Last year at this time, Bobby Marks predicted 7 teams with cap room this summer. By the time summer got here, it was basically the Nets. Probably will be similar next summer.

Kuminga will be on a team that believes in him on a MLE deal


Nope, I’m just one of maybe two JK fans on this board.

Before he was going to be an idiot for turning down the original offer and now he will if he turns this one down.

Time will tell, but I bet you he doesn’t sign this current two year offer either. I think his first choice is still a sign and trade and his second choice would be a contract with the Warriors that gives him more control over his future than what’s currently being offered.


Then let him enjoy the QO and fighting it out in UFA next summer. There’s control or there’s money. He can’t have both. He’s not that good.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3091 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:05 pm

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Slater talked to Kuminga’s agent who asically said “give him a player option and he’ll buy completely in, come off the bench and fill whatever role Kerr wants him to.” :lol:
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3092 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:07 pm

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Kings got Kuminga weak in the knees. Almost want to see him traded there just for this. Get Westbrook and trade Saric for Oubre too
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Post#3094 » by EvanZ » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:18 pm

Ilovethebay wrote:Loving the way this thread is playing out. 90% of the people here wanted him gone. The same people didn’t think he would be getting anywhere near to what they are offering now. Looks like Kuminga and his agent are turning out to be the smart ones while 90% of the regular posters in this thread are turning out to be the opposite. This is absolutely delicious.


Sorry bru are you a Warriors fan or a JK fan? You don’t sound like a Warriors fan. So GTFO.
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Post#3095 » by HiRez » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:25 pm

Well it's still a mess but it does seem they are getting a lot closer to a deal, big change from a week ago.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3096 » by whatisacenter » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:30 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:Loving the way this thread is playing out. 90% of the people here wanted him gone. The same people didn’t think he would be getting anywhere near to what they are offering now. Looks like Kuminga and his agent are turning out to be the smart ones while 90% of the regular posters in this thread are turning out to be the opposite. This is absolutely delicious.


Sorry bru are you a Warriors fan or a JK fan? You don’t sound like a Warriors fan. So GTFO.


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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3097 » by EvanZ » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:32 pm

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Ilovethebay wrote:Loving the way this thread is playing out. 90% of the people here wanted him gone. The same people didn’t think he would be getting anywhere near to what they are offering now. Looks like Kuminga and his agent are turning out to be the smart ones while 90% of the regular posters in this thread are turning out to be the opposite. This is absolutely delicious.


Sorry bru are you a Warriors fan or a JK fan? You don’t sound like a Warriors fan. So GTFO.


One can be both and nobody made you the gatekeeper.


You are clearly not both. You're rooting for Kuminga at the expense of the team. So you too, GFTO. Gatekeeper mode /activated.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3098 » by whatisacenter » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:35 pm

NW wrote:
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You sound like the burner account of JKs agent
lol. If he passes on two years $48 mil guaranteed because he didn’t get a third year, he’s an idiot imo. He’s unlikely to recoup that. Don’t believe for a second he’s getting big offers in the offseason. The whole “10 teams with cap room” is BS. Last year at this time, Bobby Marks predicted 7 teams with cap room this summer. By the time summer got here, it was basically the Nets. Probably will be similar next summer.

Kuminga will be on a team that believes in him on a MLE deal


Nope, I’m just one of maybe two JK fans on this board.

Before he was going to be an idiot for turning down the original offer and now he will if he turns this one down.

Time will tell, but I bet you he doesn’t sign this current two year offer either. I think his first choice is still a sign and trade and his second choice would be a contract with the Warriors that gives him more control over his future than what’s currently being offered.


Then let him enjoy the QO and fighting it out in UFA next summer. There’s control or there’s money. He can’t have both. He’s not that good.


Lol, “there’s control or there’s money“ is exactly what JK has been telling the Warriors front office.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3099 » by NW » Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:45 pm

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Nope, I’m just one of maybe two JK fans on this board.

Before he was going to be an idiot for turning down the original offer and now he will if he turns this one down.

Time will tell, but I bet you he doesn’t sign this current two year offer either. I think his first choice is still a sign and trade and his second choice would be a contract with the Warriors that gives him more control over his future than what’s currently being offered.


Then let him enjoy the QO and fighting it out in UFA next summer. There’s control or there’s money. He can’t have both. He’s not that good.


Lol, “there’s control or there’s money“ is exactly what JK has been telling the Warriors front office.


He wants three years with a players option in the third. Ain’t no “or” in this. He wants both. He ain’t getting it. The teams that want to give it him don’t have cap space so he’s not going there without the Warriors help
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3100 » by Old_Blue » Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:25 pm

Do the morons constantly demanding Kerr's dismissal realize that, were that to happen, Lacob would become the de facto GM and head coach of the team - dictating not just who the team drafted but also who played? At which point, the Dubs would essentially become the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA. Careful what you wish for. You might just get it...

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/09/warriors-made-new-offer-to-jonathan-kuminga-but-stalemate-continues.html

Lacob has been a strong believer in Kuminga ever since he advocated drafting him ahead of Franz Wagner in 2021, according to the authors. Sources tell them that Lacob refused to part with Kuminga in a proposed trade with Chicago for Alex Caruso two years ago, and he remained a vocal supporter even when the forward was removed from Steve Kerr‘s rotation last season. But sources tell the authors that Lacob has never intervened with Kerr on Kuminga’s behalf and has allowed the coach to make his own decisions about who gets on the court.
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