Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Twinkie defense]

they dont even want him post-Steph

They want to have clean books for 2027-28 so they can sign Giannis as a free agent.

[Twinkie defense]

Sorry, I don't buy it. Your own words are that GS will promise to "try to work together to get him somewhere he wants to go while GS gets value out of him." When they throw up their hands and say we just couldn't find a deal that works that way, that's the end of it. They trade him where they want. Other agents are focused on their own clients, if they can make a deal that works for them, they don't care what happened with Kuminga.

Obviously they can't guarantee a specific outcome but the Warriors treat players right, which is why guys like Al Horford are willing to trust them.

[HiRez]

they dont even want him post-Steph

They want to have clean books for 2027-28 so they can sign Giannis as a free agent.

Man, I used to be a big fan of going after Giannis. But the dude is already showing signs he's peaked and will soon start declining (look at his DARKO graphs for example) and he's going to be 33 halfway through that season. That's the guy they're going to trade all their picks for and build around? IDK, feels like it's too late to me.

[AirP.]

I'm guessing Lacob is pushing the contract offers. Golden State's FO looks very soft, not only have they let Kuminga and his agent hold them hostage all summer long where they couldn't sign anyone officially and now after all that wasted time, they're "upping" the offer. I wonder how much this will influence the rest of the players on the roster on how to deal with the FO when it's their time to get an extension. Podz will be eligible for an extension next summer, looks like in the post-Curry era GS may be paying a ton of money for mid-level players. I'm surprised with how much GS has caved so far.

[Twinkie defense]

they dont even want him post-Steph

They want to have clean books for 2027-28 so they can sign Giannis as a free agent.

Man, I used to be a big fan of going after Giannis. But the dude is already showing signs he's peaked and will soon start declining (look at his DARKO graphs for example) and he's going to be 33 halfway through that season. That's the guy they're going to trade all their picks for and build around? IDK, feels like it's too late to me.

No picks! Giannis has a player option in 2027-28 and can become an unrestricted free agent.

Same with Jokic.

[Twinkie defense]

I mean he objectively didn't get minutes in the exact moments they were trying to win in the playoffs until Steph got hurt and there was no choice. So...

So? Kerr's always trying to win. He obviously didn't think he'd help them win at that point.

Right. So what makes you think he will suddenly change his mind on JK? I'm not understanding that logic.

It's not changing his mind but it's possible Kerr could find some workable lineups including Kuminga now with Butler and Horford on the roster. He will use the first part of the season to see if there's anything there.

[HiRez]

They want to have clean books for 2027-28 so they can sign Giannis as a free agent.

Man, I used to be a big fan of going after Giannis. But the dude is already showing signs he's peaked and will soon start declining (look at his DARKO graphs for example) and he's going to be 33 halfway through that season. That's the guy they're going to trade all their picks for and build around? IDK, feels like it's too late to me.

No picks! Giannis has a player option in 2027-28 and can become an unrestricted free agent.

Same with Jokic.

That's a good point, if he does become a FA. Still...33...same with Jokic as well. But wouldn't their teams try to S&T them before they walk, thus requiring picks if you want to compete against the rest of the league?

[Twinkie defense]

Why not just give him the player option

If you're trading for Kuminga you probably don't want to give much up for him if he has a player option - if you like him you want him to stick around and if he is just salary ballast you want to make his contract go away ASAP.

If Warriors are going to overpay him in year one, in return they want to get maximum trade value out of that contract.

[Twinkie defense]

Man, I used to be a big fan of going after Giannis. But the dude is already showing signs he's peaked and will soon start declining (look at his DARKO graphs for example) and he's going to be 33 halfway through that season. That's the guy they're going to trade all their picks for and build around? IDK, feels like it's too late to me.

No picks! Giannis has a player option in 2027-28 and can become an unrestricted free agent.

Same with Jokic.

That's a good point, if he does become a FA. Still...33...same with Jokic as well. But wouldn't their teams try to S&T them before they walk, thus requiring picks if you want to compete against the rest of the league?

If their teams want to S&T them before they walk, well that's why the Warriors also want a tradeable contract and some decent first round picks.

[Twinkie defense]

Kings view Kuminga as an All Star... what's the going trade rate for a young All Star?

[Twinkie defense]

It's crazy they can't find a deal here. Seems the big sticking point for JK's camp is a team option, something which you unfortunately can't just split down the middle like a salary. Just offer a clean deal with no options and no no-trade clauses

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

He can also choose a shorter deal with a higher average dollar amount - which would seem to be the best option for Kuminga because it gives him a higher base salary to extend into his next contract and it gives him more power to choose his next team sooner.

If he doesn't want a team option he has that choice with the three-year deal.

If he wants to max out his guaranteed dollars he has that choice with the shorter deals.

There are a lot of options for Kuminga and the QO seems like the worst option for him - it reduces his salary, loses his Bird Rights, puts a cap on his future earnings.

Problem is Kuminga wants to put all the downside risk on the team rather than on his play

[whatisacenter]

Then let him enjoy the QO and fighting it out in UFA next summer. There’s control or there’s money. He can’t have both. He’s not that good.

Lol, “there’s control or there’s money“ is exactly what JK has been telling the Warriors front office.

He wants three years with a players option in the third. Ain’t no “or” in this. He wants both. He ain’t getting it. The teams that want to give it him don’t have cap space so he’s not going there without the Warriors help

Turner and Kuminga have spent much of the summer requesting a player option as part of their preferred deals, sources said, showing a willingness to dip down into the $20 million per year range for it, but believing a team option deal should cost around $30 million per year. The Warriors have also viewed a player option as a nonstarter, sources said.

The only non-team option contract reportedly proposed to JK was sub $20M....seems like a disingenuous offer.

Regardless, the overwhelming theme in this thread all summer was the JK had no leverage and had to accept the Warriors offer or play on the QO which doesn't look like it is the case at all.

My money is on something getting done before camp that is either a S&T or a better offer from GS.

[statsman]

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

When did the Warriors do that? I completely missed it.

Offer him the Kings' contract. 3 years, starting at $20M. For the Kings, that would be 3/63. For the Warriors, 3/65.

[whatisacenter]

Sorry bru are you a Warriors fan or a JK fan? You don’t sound like a Warriors fan. So GTFO.

One can be both and nobody made you the gatekeeper.

You are clearly not both. You're rooting for Kuminga at the expense of the team. So you too, GFTO. Gatekeeper mode /activated.

you are only the gatekeeper of the Evanz fanclub and I'm guessing that doesn't take too much effort.

[whatisacenter]

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

When did the Warriors do that? I completely missed it.

Offer him the Kings' contract. 3 years, starting at $20M. For the Kings, that would be 3/63. For the Warriors, 3/65.

Their unwillingness to budge on the team option in those specific two offers is a major part of the holdup. Kuminga, gripping to the first lever of control he has had in his young career, is resistant to the idea of it, sources said. The only non-team option offer the Warriors have made to Kuminga is three years and $54 million fully guaranteed, sources said, an average of $18 million per season.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

JK won't sign that deal, IMO.

[ahmetmekin]

I wanted this mfer gone or to take the QO, but with what Lacob is doing, it's looking very unlikely. Still hoping for the worst outcome for him in terms of his earnings.

[HiRez]

I wanted this mfer gone or to take the QO, but with what Lacob is doing, it's looking very unlikely. Still hoping for the worst outcome for him in terms of his earnings.

I mean he has the right to ask for whatever he wants and they have the right to say no, that's a free market economy. They could have avoided the whole fiasco by trading or signing him earlier, so the Dubs put themselves into this tricky position.

[EvanZ]

It's crazy they can't find a deal here. Seems the big sticking point for JK's camp is a team option, something which you unfortunately can't just split down the middle like a salary. Just offer a clean deal with no options and no no-trade clauses

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

He can also choose a shorter deal with a higher average dollar amount - which would seem to be the best option for Kuminga because it gives him a higher base salary to extend into his next contract and it gives him more power to choose his next team sooner.

If he doesn't want a team option he has that choice with the three-year deal.

If he wants to max out his guaranteed dollars he has that choice with the shorter deals.

There are a lot of options for Kuminga and the QO seems like the worst option for him - it reduces his salary, loses his Bird Rights, puts a cap on his future earnings.

Problem is Kuminga wants to put all the downside risk on the team rather than on his play

Yeah it just makes you wonder what contract does he think he can get next summer? How is he going to get more than 3-75 if he barely comes off the bench this season…

[Crazy-Canuck]

Jk and his camp are full of themselves.

Pay me with a player option and I'll buy in and get steph his chip. Lol.

Go get paid, all the power to you. But comments like this? Makes kuminga unlikeable.

[Crazy-Canuck]

It's crazy they can't find a deal here. Seems the big sticking point for JK's camp is a team option, something which you unfortunately can't just split down the middle like a salary. Just offer a clean deal with no options and no no-trade clauses

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

He can also choose a shorter deal with a higher average dollar amount - which would seem to be the best option for Kuminga because it gives him a higher base salary to extend into his next contract and it gives him more power to choose his next team sooner.

If he doesn't want a team option he has that choice with the three-year deal.

If he wants to max out his guaranteed dollars he has that choice with the shorter deals.

There are a lot of options for Kuminga and the QO seems like the worst option for him - it reduces his salary, loses his Bird Rights, puts a cap on his future earnings.

Problem is Kuminga wants to put all the downside risk on the team rather than on his play

Yeah it just makes you wonder what contract does he think he can get next summer? How is he going to get more than 3-75 if he barely comes off the bench this season…

I guarantee he goes to the media every chance he gets.