Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

Why not just give him the player option

If you're trading for Kuminga you probably don't want to give much up for him if he has a player option - if you like him you want him to stick around and if he is just salary ballast you want to make his contract go away ASAP.

If Warriors are going to overpay him in year one, in return they want to get maximum trade value out of that contract.

Lacob is never trading jk.

[Onus]

Jk and his camp are full of themselves.

Pay me with a player option and I'll buy in and get steph his chip. Lol.

Go get paid, all the power to you. But comments like this? Makes kuminga unlikeable.

Yea that statement was wild.

[superunknown]

Jk and his camp are full of themselves.

Pay me with a player option and I'll buy in and get steph his chip. Lol.

Go get paid, all the power to you. But comments like this? Makes kuminga unlikeable.

Yea that statement was wild.

what a nerve. and what a bunch of tools.

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

When did the Warriors do that? I completely missed it.

Offer him the Kings' contract. 3 years, starting at $20M. For the Kings, that would be 3/63. For the Warriors, 3/65.

The only non-team option offer the Warriors have made to Kuminga is three years and $54 million fully guaranteed, sources said, an average of $18 million per season.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

[Twinkie defense]

It's crazy they can't find a deal here. Seems the big sticking point for JK's camp is a team option, something which you unfortunately can't just split down the middle like a salary. Just offer a clean deal with no options and no no-trade clauses

Warriors offered three years with no options. AAV of $18 mil.

Three years is a risk for the Warriors but $18 mil per is a more tradeable contract.

He can also choose a shorter deal with a higher average dollar amount - which would seem to be the best option for Kuminga because it gives him a higher base salary to extend into his next contract and it gives him more power to choose his next team sooner.

If he doesn't want a team option he has that choice with the three-year deal.

If he wants to max out his guaranteed dollars he has that choice with the shorter deals.

There are a lot of options for Kuminga and the QO seems like the worst option for him - it reduces his salary, loses his Bird Rights, puts a cap on his future earnings.

Problem is Kuminga wants to put all the downside risk on the team rather than on his play

Yeah it just makes you wonder what contract does he think he can get next summer? How is he going to get more than 3-75 if he barely comes off the bench this season…

He's probably gonna get the non-taxpayer MLE?

[Twinkie defense]

Why not just give him the player option

If you're trading for Kuminga you probably don't want to give much up for him if he has a player option - if you like him you want him to stick around and if he is just salary ballast you want to make his contract go away ASAP.

If Warriors are going to overpay him in year one, in return they want to get maximum trade value out of that contract.

Lacob is never trading jk.

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

[bay2hk]

Lacob needs to show some back bone. If he’s making the calls he needs to put JK and his camp back in their place, and not bend over every time JK threatens to sign the QO. Pull the offer and force him to sign the QO. Giving him 3 years $75m is Jordan Poole type of stupidity. JK sucks at team basketball.

[Twinkie defense]

Regardless, the overwhelming theme in this thread all summer was the JK had no leverage and had to accept the Warriors offer or play on the QO which doesn't look like it is the case at all.

Warriors want to trade Kuminga and they are offering him a variety of tradeable contracts to choose from. What they have drawn a hard line on is giving Kuminga a contract that would be hard to trade if he doesn't play well. They're not gonna do Jordan Poole 2.0.

[NW]

Anthony Slater, Kuminga camp mouthpiece, made an interesting point on NBA Today.

The 3/$75 with player option is basically a cheaper version of what Jalen Green got from Houston-which was designed for the same purpose, to be tradeable.

Kuminga does compare to Jalen Green right?

[bay2hk]

Anthony Slater, Kuminga camp mouthpiece, made an interesting point on NBA Today.

The 3/$75 with player option is basically a cheaper version of what Jalen Green got from Houston-which was designed for the same purpose, to be tradeable.

Kuminga does compare to Jalen Green right?

You mean being a non factor in winning in the playoffs? Yea, you have the comparison right

[Onus]

If you're trading for Kuminga you probably don't want to give much up for him if he has a player option - if you like him you want him to stick around and if he is just salary ballast you want to make his contract go away ASAP.

If Warriors are going to overpay him in year one, in return they want to get maximum trade value out of that contract.

Lacob is never trading jk.

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

[northoakland510]

Man the dude said he will buy into winning if he gets what he wants. He hasn't bought in his entire time in the league which is why he is always on the bench. I swear you would think JK and Poole would have learned something playing with these hall of fame players.

[Larry Ellison]

Jk and his camp are full of themselves.

Pay me with a player option and I'll buy in and get steph his chip. Lol.

Go get paid, all the power to you. But comments like this? Makes kuminga unlikeable.

This was my reaction. I have never disliked JK more than right now.

[Larry Ellison]

At this point, if Warriors stand firm and JK takes the QO instead of the 2+1 with TO, he will have entered rarified air occupied only by Nerlens Noel. Throwing away millions of dollars that he will never get back.

[xdrta+]

At this point, if Warriors stand firm and JK takes the QO instead of the 2+1 with TO, he will have entered rarified air occupied only by Nerlens Noel. Throwing away millions of dollars that he will never get back.

There are others who have taken the QO. Greg Monroe took the QO and then signed a max contract the next summer.

[EvanZ]

It is somewhat surprising that Aaron Turner, whose only other NBA player of any note is Terry Rozier, isn't at this point advising Kuminga to take the guaranteed money so he gets his 10%. If anyone in this equation has the most to lose in terms of real world money, it is arguably Turner.

[statsman]

It is somewhat surprising that Aaron Turner, whose only other NBA player of any note is Terry Rozier, isn't at this point advising Kuminga to take the guaranteed money so he gets his 10%. If anyone in this equation has the most to lose in terms of real world money, it is arguably Turner.

For the record, agents for NBA players are capped at a maximum commission of 4% on the player's salary. It usually doesn't vary from this percentage. The agents can also receive 10-20% of the player's endorsements.

But your point still remains.

[Warriors Analyst]

If you're trading for Kuminga you probably don't want to give much up for him if he has a player option - if you like him you want him to stick around and if he is just salary ballast you want to make his contract go away ASAP.

If Warriors are going to overpay him in year one, in return they want to get maximum trade value out of that contract.

Lacob is never trading jk.

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Tim Kawakami interviewed Lacob right after that trade went through. Lacob made it clear he didn't want to trade Wiseman, but the FO and coaching staff were all in agreement, so he relented. His quotes are absolutely hilarious and in the same tone as Lacob talking about Kuminga scoring against the Wolves and guarding Anthony Edwards:

Let’s talk about another young player. How hard was it for you to trade James Wiseman?

Very hard. Very hard. You know, we might very well regret that one, longer term or even intermediate term.

But as much as I love the guy, I can’t overrule what our basketball ops and our coaches and our players felt was the right thing to do. So it’s a consensus thing. We’re ‘we’, we’re not ‘me’. And we’re going to do what the best thing is and we felt it would improve our team short term and kind of went for it for Gary.

Did it take convincing for you to agree to it?

Uhh, yeah. I think so. Because I think James is a really good young player and we’re not going to get many opportunities to draft a young guy like that again. And he really didn’t … let’s be honest, he didn’t really have a chance; it’s partially his fault, partially bad luck, partially our fault for not playing him enough.

But we’re not getting an opportunity to get a big talent like that with size very often. I mean, it was a very hard decision for the organization, to be quite honest.

Are you watching his box scores in Detroit now?

Sure I am.

[...]

A question I forgot to ask you the last time we talked, and you reminded me I forgot to ask it back then: Where are you with this Two Timeline Plan? And you’ve traded Wiseman since then. Do you consider (rookie) Patrick Baldwin Jr. now maybe as some part of a new timeline or is that over?

There’s only one timeline. I don’t know where this two-timelines thing comes from. There’s one timeline. You have a roster that you try to put together given financial constraints and given what’s available and what you can get.

[...]

We went a little bit younger on the bottom end of the roster than maybe the coaching staff would ideally like. But remember, we’ve also got a bunch of lottery picks. You don’t get those too often if you’re the Golden State Warriors. And we really like some of these guys.

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Kuminga played phenomenal tonight — for 20 years old, to guard Kawhi Leonard like he did. Baldwin’s starting to look really good. Moses (Moody) is going to get his shot. I know Steve loves him.

[whatisacenter]

Big time JK and Lacob fan!

Without Joe, Curry leaves and there is no dynasty!

JK is saying he will put his ego aside for the sake of all the oldheads egos!

[xdrta+]

Speaking of Turner:

Sportico

Los Angeles Clippers forward Derrick Jones Jr. will need to pay his former agent Aaron Turner a 4% commission ($1.2 million) on a three-year, $30 million contract Jones says he directly negotiated with the Clippers last year, an arbitrator ruled on Wednesday.

The key reason: Jones didn’t provide Turner written notice of 15 days of his decision to fire him before signing with the Clippers.

The arbitration highlights how players firing one agent in hopes of quickly signing with another have to meet contractual notice obligations....