Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[dobrojim]

https://www.aol.com/news/trump-claims-300-million-people-201645400.html

Not sure which is worse...that Golfy would say 300
million people (US?) died from drugs last year or that
half the country would take anything he says as
remotely truthful.

I guess there's only 40 million of us left.

I'm sure he'll be issuing a correction soon.

[Wizardspride]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The four inscriptions on the bullets are quotes from video games. The "anti-fascist" one is from Helldivers 2", the ciao bellow one is from heart of iron. The only thing that means is he was terminally online. There's no political bias to be inferred from it. Same goes for "if you read this, you're gay"

Dude was probably just a nutjob with easy access to guns

Tyler Robinson sounds like a PK, preacher's kid, who went rogue.

Were his parents pious and insistent on draconian views? Did pops instill that gun love?

Tyler is hard core. Whack job. But hard core.

This is exactly what went down. I am watching the Utah Attorney General prosecutor's press conference.

Tyler had enough of Kirk's evil. He and his father had discussions, where they obviously disagreed. His father had gifted him the rifle. His motivation was revealed in the press conference. Tyler explained to his [girl]friend the reason he did it. Kirk had spread too much hate. This is very consistent with how I believed a conflicted PK would act.

This crazy part is that if he had retrieved the weapon successfully, he likely would have evaded arrest.

[dobrojim]

I thought his Dad turned him after seeing him on video. Or was the video from after he left the scene?
I wasn't clear when/where the stairwell pix came from.

[Zonkerbl]

Court documents are out, you can follow along here:

https://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com/post/3lyxzk4xvrk2d

Family says he was leaning liberal lately. He was in a relationship with his trans roommate. So not an "unrequited love that drove him insane scenario." But maybe a "angry that right wingers had targeted the woman he loves for genocide" scenario.

[Zonkerbl]

Oh the family KNEW he was in a relationship w a transgender woman and they had gotten into arguments about it, holy frack

[Zonkerbl]

I thought his Dad turned him after seeing him on video. Or was the video from after he left the scene?
I wasn't clear when/where the stairwell pix came from.

Apparently the fbi showed the gun on tv, and it's pretty unique, and the grandfather whose gun it was recognized it and called the dad like, what is going on, why is my gun on tv

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh the family KNEW he was in a relationship w a transgender woman and they had gotten into arguments about it, holy frack

Precisely.

They were holy rollers. That set this young man off.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I thought his Dad turned him after seeing him on video. Or was the video from after he left the scene?
I wasn't clear when/where the stairwell pix came from.

Apparently the fbi showed the gun on tv, and it's pretty unique, and the grandfather whose gun it was recognized it and called the dad like, what is going on, why is my gun on tv

The mom and dad both recognized him. The father saw the weapon recovered and phoned his son (apparently after the grandfather phoned the father), asking to see a picture of the weapon to prove Tyler had it.

They knew he wouldn't be able to.

[Zonkerbl]

Oh the family KNEW he was in a relationship w a transgender woman and they had gotten into arguments about it, holy frack

Precisely.

They were holy rollers. That set this young man off.

I suspect he was also a holy roller. Until he fell in love. That'll do it.

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[Kanyewest]

I thought his Dad turned him after seeing him on video. Or was the video from after he left the scene?
I wasn't clear when/where the stairwell pix came from.

Apparently the fbi showed the gun on tv, and it's pretty unique, and the grandfather whose gun it was recognized it and called the dad like, what is going on, why is my gun on tv

Apparently, this still doesn't rule out groyper's (a section of them approve of this but also still could be someone who is liberal as well. The text messages released are also being criticized as fake although it is a mentally unstable person. Trust in the institution is fairly low considering that Kash Patel is denying claims about the Epstein files related to Trump and the way there has been false reporting from publications like the Wall Street Journal and the Guardian.

[Zonkerbl]

I have fairly high trust in documents submitted to court that the defense has an opportunity to object to. "Hey my client says he never sent this."

[dobrojim]

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

[queridiculo]

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

I guess people ARE paying attention to the rhetoric coming out of the white house?

One can only hope.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I thought his Dad turned him after seeing him on video. Or was the video from after he left the scene?
I wasn't clear when/where the stairwell pix came from.

Apparently the fbi showed the gun on tv, and it's pretty unique, and the grandfather whose gun it was recognized it and called the dad like, what is going on, why is my gun on tv

Apparently, this still doesn't rule out groyper's (a section of them approve of this but also still could be someone who is liberal as well. The text messages released are also being criticized as fake although it is a mentally unstable person. Trust in the institution is fairly low considering that Kash Patel is denying claims about the Epstein files related to Trump and the way there has been false reporting from publications like the Wall Street Journal and the Guardian.

Well, this confirms both sides of the aisle are completely down the rabbit hole of, "if it's something bad about my side, it's a false flag conspiracy" or "if it's something bad about the other side that hasn't come to light, it's a coverup conspiracy".

The groyper claim is a disproved fringe conspiracy theory at this point. The guy is pretty obviously left in political alignment. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out” is not something you expect to here coming out of the mouth of someone who is to the right of Charlie Kirk. I mean he's basically saying in that text in so many words what Zonkerbl has said multiple times in that you reap what you sow.

The political zeitgeist has become so polluted on all sides, that it's become this nihilistic whataboutism the lacks any sort of intellectual consistency. A race to the bottom if you will.

It's possible to be both disgusted with someone killing Kirk, no matter what came out of his mouth, and also be disgusted about Pam Bondi going after hate speech, which is a blatant attempt on free speech and political dissent or conservative activist trying to get people fired for social media posts. That you see is intellectual consistency, not this mentality of, "oh my side said this, so I'm just going to try to do whatever mental gymnastics I can come up with to reconcile, and reconfirm my own biases."

Also, the notion or insinuation that the Wall Street Journal is an outlet that falsely reports is simply just not aligned with reality. Look at any media bias chart out there, the WSJ is smack dab in the middle. Its editorial board is definitely right leaning, but its journalist are as center as you get. There are versions of those same bias charts that breakout journalistic sides of publications from their editorial sides that show this. But again I challenge you to find one where WSJ is placed as middle of the road from a reputable source. That's not to say may be the WSJ didn't possibly get some stuff wrong at the get go, but let's not act like that's just a problem of the WSJ either when it comes to other newspapers and outlets.

[Zonkerbl]

I stand by what I said. Kirk reaped what he sowed. MLK Jr. reaped peace and he paid the same price Charlie Kirk paid spreading hate. MLK Jr.'s legacy will be one of community building, while Kirk's legacy will be the annihilation of democracy, which he advocated for. Kirk was scum, full of hate, manipulating the rules of "civic engagement" to destroy democracy from within, and he was successful. I'm sad he was violently assassinated because the right wing is taking advantage of his death to bring about the end of democracy that Kirk wanted. Which is why I'm against assassinating right wing public figures - it's wrong and it doesn't accomplish anything anyway, just creates martyrs. But we all know something like this would happen eventually, given the hateful rhetoric being constantly spewed out by the right (intentionally to bring a scenario like this about). Kirk was the right's sacrificial lamb, and they're ghoulishly pouncing on the opportunity to end the US democratic experiment.

I don't find it the slightest bit shocking that the violence came from a right wing household where one of the members lost his snap when he encountered reality.

It would have been awesomely karmic if he was a groyper but reality is messy. This is one of those macabre stories that are disturbingly compelling. Dude did it for love, that's interesting and people on both sides are probably going to forget about the politics and follow the story for its drama. Whatever blunts the right's rush to impose a white nationalist totalitarian dictatorship. I'll take it.

[doclinkin]

One likely outcome is that there will be increased violence against trans women after this. Ignorant and fearful using it as justification for violence. As if this good kid from a fine family was radicalized and groomed and seduced and driven crazy by association. An awful irony that in his death, in the middle of a sentence insinuating falsely that trans folk are disproportionately the cause of murders, he was slain by a young white man from a conservative family. Who are in fact disproportionately likely to commit these acts. Just awful and ugly ironies all around.

[Zonkerbl]

And get out of here with right wingers coming in here condemning liberals for not being gaslit about Kirk's evil. Respect for the dead ended when you all danced on RBG's grave. A reporter asked Trump about the Dem state congressfolk who were assassinated 3 months ago and he said "Who?" Uncivil. You all voted for a politician who bragged about sexually assaulting women. GTFOOH with your holier than though hypocrisy.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

And get out of here with right wingers coming in here condemning liberals for not being gaslit about Kirk's evil. Respect for the dead ended when you all danced on RBG's grave. A reporter asked about the Dem state congressfolk who were assassinated 3 months ago and he said "Who?" Uncivil. You all voted for a politician who bragged about sexually assaulting women. GTFOOH with your holier than though hypocrisy.

I'm guessing the Retired Mod moniker was after a forced retirement because you are completely floating off the planet in that big ole bubble of yours.

It's hilarious when anyone comes onto this discussion that you just always resort to calling someone a Republican, right winger, etc., etc., blah blah blah if they disagree, when in reality you have zero clue where they stand. Then again, as someone as far down the rabbit hole of the left as you, I suppose everyone else is right of your political fantasy.

Also, completely adorable you accusing of someone acting "holier than though". Big belly laugh on that one.