League inflating players heights is out of control

[whatisacenter]

This topic is so overblown I don’t know why it constantly comes up.

My sister has assured me that 2-3 inches doesn’t make any difference whatsoever.

your sister???

[MrBigShot]

Eh. It's marketing. A dynamic 6'5 or 6'6 point guard sounds a lot cooler than 6'3.

[JonFromVA]

Because when they play basketball, they're not barefoot. Their height barefoot is irrelevant to their play on the court.

But then player's started wearing thicker shoes to the weight ins to cheat the measurement ... so, yes NBA teams have been required to measure players before the season without shoes and report it to the nba. They are not required to report weights, however, and heights can still vary by 1-2" depending the time of day a tall player is measured.

Height can certainly vary by an inch all though that's extreme. 2 inches is wild.

Yes it's an extremum, but the nba is a league of extremum ... so it wouldn't surprise me if some of the league's 7 footers lose as much as 2" and I imagine running all around on the hardwood doesn't help.

[NO-KG-AI]

This is not a difficult concept to understand. A player’s listed height is their height when their ankles are taped with socks and shoes on.

You calculate their listed height by measuring them barefooted and adding one and half inches. This is how it’s always been, and it’s an extremely easy concept to understand.

If Cooper Flagg is 6’7.75 barefooted, he’ll be listed at 6’9. Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan (both listed at 6’6) were both around 6’4.5 barefooted.

But why? Why is there a tendency to list player heights with shoes in the first place? I’m just wondering who originally thought it was necessary to make that distinction. When I say I’m 6'0", 183 cm or whatever, I don’t feel the need to add "barefoot." Why is it different in basketball?

Because when they play basketball, they're not barefoot. Their height barefoot is irrelevant to their play on the court.

Do you consider baseball and football players with cleats adding height?

What about measuring hockey players and adding 6 inches for skates?

It’s goofy as **** lol.

Imagine your doctor listing you 1.5 inches taller because you probably mostly wear shoes in life

[Clay Davis]

They're probably wearing lifts. Tinder girls be putting the height requirements in their bio and I just don't have the rizz. I don't have the rizz. I don't have the rizz. I don't have the rizz I don't I don't I don't.

[LuDux1]

Looks like hockey has similar problem. Lots of anecdotical proof that they add 2 inches, even 6 footers

[UcanUwill]

At one point a couple years ago Sabonis was listed at 7'1.
He was measured 6'9 at the combine at age 20. Supposedly grew 4 inches after that

Yeah, I made comment how NBA really exaggerate their heights for no reason, and I mentioned Sabonis in particular, because that one is just dumb, it just made up out of nowhere, because it is not even close to reality. I somehow deleted the comment before posting, so you beat me at this...

No dunks crew talked about Charles Barkley, they used to work in same studio in Atlanta, and they always said Trey Kerby is taller than barkley, and Trey is 6'4 according to them. Bakley is famously very undersized, but NBA still listed him at 6'6 I believe, where in real peoples word, but was maybe 6'3 and a half.

We Euros caught up to that a long time ago I feel, when we talk prospects, we take that into consideration now. When Euro is listed 6'10 in Europe, we now all say in the NBA, that guy will instantly turn 7'0 and wont be shorter than most guys who are ''7 footers'' over there. Thats just how it is and everyone knows it.

What was Arvydas Sabonis real height? 220, 221, 222, 223 or 224. Or maybe less?

I think Arvydas was legit 7'3 guy, so around 222. When he was playing, they used to say his height was 222, but after retirement, when he invested in that clothing company that got called 220, because thats his height apparently, so now everyone in Lithuania says Arvydas is 220, tho I think they arounded the number to make it sound better on brand? I definitely do not think he was shorter than 220. But he is way taller than his son, Domantas is shorter than most of his match ups, he is like 6'10, he is strong tho, but him being listed 7'1 is just compliete lie and I do not know who came up with it, it is not even close to reality. Jonas in real life is around 6'11, but as we alreaydy talked about, by NBA standards he is 7'0, and hes taller than Sabonis is.

Most NBA players are shorter than listed, but we had opposite cases, like Kevin Durant forever listed at 6'9, but then he would stand to 7'1 listed Marc Gasol, and they were basically same height. You can just never trust NBA listed heights at all. KG was aso listed at 6'11, but he was taller than a lot of guys listed 7+.

[Kineto]

Are we talking about morning or evening height? We are 1% taller just after we get up than when we go to sleep, so should we also normalise the time of measurement?

(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6600017/)

[JayMKE]

Guys are always going exaggerate self reported measurements

[Calvin Klein]

Two things can be true. Some players definitely lie about their height. And you can't make any conclusions just by looking at a picture, for many different reasons.

[LuDux1]

Yeah, I made comment how NBA really exaggerate their heights for no reason, and I mentioned Sabonis in particular, because that one is just dumb, it just made up out of nowhere, because it is not even close to reality. I somehow deleted the comment before posting, so you beat me at this...

No dunks crew talked about Charles Barkley, they used to work in same studio in Atlanta, and they always said Trey Kerby is taller than barkley, and Trey is 6'4 according to them. Bakley is famously very undersized, but NBA still listed him at 6'6 I believe, where in real peoples word, but was maybe 6'3 and a half.

We Euros caught up to that a long time ago I feel, when we talk prospects, we take that into consideration now. When Euro is listed 6'10 in Europe, we now all say in the NBA, that guy will instantly turn 7'0 and wont be shorter than most guys who are ''7 footers'' over there. Thats just how it is and everyone knows it.

What was Arvydas Sabonis real height? 220, 221, 222, 223 or 224. Or maybe less?

I think Arvydas was legit 7'3 guy, so around 222. When he was playing, they used to say his height was 222, but after retirement, when he invested in that clothing company that got called 220, because thats his height apparently, so now everyone in Lithuania says Arvydas is 220, tho I think they arounded the number to make it sound better on brand? I definitely do not think he was shorter than 220. But he is way taller than his son, Domantas is shorter than most of his match ups, he is like 6'10, he is strong tho, but him being listed 7'1 is just compliete lie and I do not know who came up with it, it is not even close to reality. Jonas in real life is around 6'11, but as we alreaydy talked about, by NBA standards he is 7'0, and hes taller than Sabonis is.

Most NBA players are shorter than listed, but we had opposite cases, like Kevin Durant forever listed at 6'9, but then he would stand to 7'1 listed Marc Gasol, and they were basically same height. You can just never trust NBA listed heights at all. KG was aso listed at 6'11, but he was taller than a lot of guys listed 7+.

Since Arvydas' official NBA.com height is 7-3, his real one should be 7-2, yet some measurement from 80s show 223 (like https://013.lt/lt/pagrindinis/1172-tsrs-vyru-krepsinio-cempionato-programa.html)

I wonder if all those injuries, surgeries and natural ageing and jumping shortened Sabonis

Also Sergejus Jovaiša "grew" 3 cm in his 30s

[UcanUwill]

What was Arvydas Sabonis real height? 220, 221, 222, 223 or 224. Or maybe less?

I think Arvydas was legit 7'3 guy, so around 222. When he was playing, they used to say his height was 222, but after retirement, when he invested in that clothing company that got called 220, because thats his height apparently, so now everyone in Lithuania says Arvydas is 220, tho I think they arounded the number to make it sound better on brand? I definitely do not think he was shorter than 220. But he is way taller than his son, Domantas is shorter than most of his match ups, he is like 6'10, he is strong tho, but him being listed 7'1 is just compliete lie and I do not know who came up with it, it is not even close to reality. Jonas in real life is around 6'11, but as we alreaydy talked about, by NBA standards he is 7'0, and hes taller than Sabonis is.

Most NBA players are shorter than listed, but we had opposite cases, like Kevin Durant forever listed at 6'9, but then he would stand to 7'1 listed Marc Gasol, and they were basically same height. You can just never trust NBA listed heights at all. KG was aso listed at 6'11, but he was taller than a lot of guys listed 7+.

Since Arvydas' official NBA.com height is 7-3, his real one should be 7-2, yet some measurement from 80s show 223 (like https://013.lt/lt/pagrindinis/1172-tsrs-vyru-krepsinio-cempionato-programa.html)

I wonder if all those injuries, surgeries and natural ageing and jumping shortened Sabonis

Also Sergejus Jovaiša "grew" 3 cm in his 30s

Arvydas is 60 so he should be shorter now, but when he played, he was 7'3, I always felt Ilgauskas looked taller, but thats probably because Ilgauskas was way skinnier, they were standing next to each other, I couldn't tell which one was taller.
People say that taht Paukštė guy is taller than both Ilgauskas and Sabonis, and I believe he was listed at 234.

[ImmortalD24]

This reminds me.. the T-Mac 2’s (seen above) although were my favorite basketball shoe back in the day.. had terrible durability. That hard plastic (grey here on the red model) at the bottom was a terrible design as it would scratch the floor when the shoe was a bit worn out.

[LuDux1]

I think Arvydas was legit 7'3 guy, so around 222. When he was playing, they used to say his height was 222, but after retirement, when he invested in that clothing company that got called 220, because thats his height apparently, so now everyone in Lithuania says Arvydas is 220, tho I think they arounded the number to make it sound better on brand? I definitely do not think he was shorter than 220. But he is way taller than his son, Domantas is shorter than most of his match ups, he is like 6'10, he is strong tho, but him being listed 7'1 is just compliete lie and I do not know who came up with it, it is not even close to reality. Jonas in real life is around 6'11, but as we alreaydy talked about, by NBA standards he is 7'0, and hes taller than Sabonis is.

Most NBA players are shorter than listed, but we had opposite cases, like Kevin Durant forever listed at 6'9, but then he would stand to 7'1 listed Marc Gasol, and they were basically same height. You can just never trust NBA listed heights at all. KG was aso listed at 6'11, but he was taller than a lot of guys listed 7+.

Since Arvydas' official NBA.com height is 7-3, his real one should be 7-2, yet some measurement from 80s show 223 (like https://013.lt/lt/pagrindinis/1172-tsrs-vyru-krepsinio-cempionato-programa.html)

I wonder if all those injuries, surgeries and natural ageing and jumping shortened Sabonis

Also Sergejus Jovaiša "grew" 3 cm in his 30s

Arvydas is 60 so he should be shorter now, but when he played, he was 7'3, I always felt Ilgauskas looked taller, but thats probably because Ilgauskas was way skinnier, they were standing next to each other, I couldn't tell which one was taller.
People say that taht Paukštė guy is taller than both Ilgauskas and Sabonis, and I believe he was listed at 234.

I meant before he joined NBA

So official Lithuania height record holder is Sabonis with 223.6 as measured in April 1988 in Portland https://rekordai.lt/rekordai/auksciausias-vyras
Jonas Paukštė claimed that he reached 224, but he was either not measured or measured at lower height

Still have no idea if anyone was taller than 205 before Sabonis

[mariller]

Most people are never seen in bare feet anyway, so bare foot height is not relevant.

People always compare height, between players, but also to their own height. Who cares they play in shoes? Of course they do. Who tf cares how you always walk in shoes? THAT"S NOT HOW YOU MEASURE HEIGHT. Maybe girl should measure height in platform shoes lol.
I'm 189, always lived my life sure that MJ was better because he was taller. Now I learn that he was barely taller than me.

This is so stupid it's crazy. Soon you'll tell me that his hand size was with gloves on and his weight was in lead **** shoes.
The sheer stupidity of this is fascinating.

[ImmortalD24]

Most people are never seen in bare feet anyway, so bare foot height is not relevant.

People always compare height, between players, but also to their own height. Who cares they play in shoes? Of course they do. Who tf cares how you always walk in shoes? THAT"S NOT HOW YOU MEASURE HEIGHT. Maybe girl should measure height in platform shoes lol.
I'm 189, always lived my life sure that MJ was better because he was taller. Now I learn that he was barely taller than me.

This is so stupid it's crazy. Soon you'll tell me that his hand size was with gloves on and his weight was in lead **** shoes.
The sheer stupidity of this is fascinating.

6ft2 1/2 and 6ft 4 3/4 (assuming proportions are relatively the same) is a huge difference bub. But yes accurate measurements do matter. Lack of transparency tells me what else are they hiding?

[Charlie Sollers]

Most people are never seen in bare feet anyway, so bare foot height is not relevant.

People always compare height, between players, but also to their own height. Who cares they play in shoes? Of course they do. Who tf cares how you always walk in shoes? THAT"S NOT HOW YOU MEASURE HEIGHT. Maybe girl should measure height in platform shoes lol.
I'm 189, always lived my life sure that MJ was better because he was taller. Now I learn that he was barely taller than me.

This is so stupid it's crazy. Soon you'll tell me that his hand size was with gloves on and his weight was in lead **** shoes.
The sheer stupidity of this is fascinating.

6ft2 1/2 and 6ft 4 3/4 (assuming proportions are relatively the same) is a huge difference bub. But yes accurate measurements do matter. Lack of transparency tells me what else are they hiding?

Oh boy, here we go again.

[afarmenian]

I don't know I think it kind of does matter if you're more like a 6 2ish guard as a prospect isn't it in your best interest that everybody thinks you're 6 ft 4? That's the difference between being thought of as undersized or having average height. Every little thing counts when you're at an elite level might not be a huge deal but could it be the difference of a couple draft slots so and why not oblige teams to figure out the truth for themselves?

[JN61]

This is not a difficult concept to understand. A player’s listed height is their height when their ankles are taped with socks and shoes on.

You calculate their listed height by measuring them barefooted and adding one and half inches. This is how it’s always been, and it’s an extremely easy concept to understand.

If Cooper Flagg is 6’7.75 barefooted, he’ll be listed at 6’9. Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan (both listed at 6’6) were both around 6’4.5 barefooted.

But why? Why is there a tendency to list player heights with shoes in the first place? I’m just wondering who originally thought it was necessary to make that distinction. When I say I’m 6'0", 183 cm or whatever, I don’t feel the need to add "barefoot." Why is it different in basketball?

Because when they play basketball, they're not barefoot. Their height barefoot is irrelevant to their play on the court.

The most dumb arguments surrounding this ever.

[bonita_the_frog]

But why? Why is there a tendency to list player heights with shoes in the first place? I’m just wondering who originally thought it was necessary to make that distinction. When I say I’m 6'0", 183 cm or whatever, I don’t feel the need to add "barefoot." Why is it different in basketball?

Because when they play basketball, they're not barefoot. Their height barefoot is irrelevant to their play on the court.

The most dumb arguments surrounding this ever.

Why?