No one talks about Giannis anymore

[TheSuzerain]

Clearly you haven’t watched Giannis in years, he’s improved literally every season of his career.

The league hates Milwaukee and will give any reason to not talk about them, real Jokic fans from Denver should understand this type of market bias. If you’re not LA or NYC or LeBron/Curry they don’t talk about you. The only time they talk about you is when the media can fantasize about them being traded to their favored markets. If Giannis had gotten traded to LA instead of Luka the media would be talking about him as “the face of the league” and MVP

Euro fans don’t particularly like or claim Giannis(wonder why) and the analytic nerds see everything as a competition with Jokic. Then there are the weirdos who hate any dominate athletic player as an affront to “skill”

Bucks need to be better but Giannis ain’t the problem by a long shot

His FT% is pathetic and very damaging to his impact.

So I he shot league average he would be 32.4 instead of 30.9 PPG. his FT% since isn't a bad possession consider it is still 1.18 points per possession and gets the other team into foul trouble/bonus. He also went 19/20 from the line in a close close-out finals game. but yeah I guess if a top 3 player got better he would be more impactful? he's a top 3 player as is.

For 90% of the league a free throw is a great possession though that boosts your overall O-Rating. For Giannis, it just kind of treads water.

119 O-Rating just is not elite these days.

In terms of league-wide consideration, it seems to me that there is a clear cut top 2 that is separate from the pack. Then you have a herd of players pretty close from 3-8ish.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

His FT% is pathetic and very damaging to his impact.

So I he shot league average he would be 32.4 instead of 30.9 PPG. his FT% since isn't a bad possession consider it is still 1.18 points per possession and gets the other team into foul trouble/bonus. He also went 19/20 from the line in a close close-out finals game. but yeah I guess if a top 3 player got better he would be more impactful? he's a top 3 player as is.

For 90% of the league a free throw is a great possession though that boosts your overall O-Rating. For Giannis, it just kind of treads water.

119 O-Rating just is not elite these days.

In terms of league-wide consideration, it seems to me that there is a clear cut top 2 that is separate from the pack. Then you have a herd of players pretty close from 3-8ish.

I never said it was elite. I just said that even the very worst aspect of his game is above average and puts the defense in the hole due to foul trouble. It's not a BAD possession when Giannis is fouled and put to the line. it's why we don't see hack a Giannis because it would be a stupid strategy. The fact that his free throws is such a drag on his efficiency says just as much about how efficient he is otherwise than it does about him under performing FTs.

and would love to see players 6-8 that are pretty close to Giannis. I agree it's Jokic and SGA on a tier by themselves but Giannis is on a second tier that is maybe 1-2 other players.

[Roco14]

He hasn't really improved all that much after his MVP season. Obviously still an incredible talent, but many expected him to reach an MJ/Kobe/LeBron type level where it was just him, and everybody else. (kind of like where Jokic is right now).

Clearly you haven’t watched Giannis in years, he’s improved literally every season of his career.

The league hates Milwaukee and will give any reason to not talk about them, real Jokic fans from Denver should understand this type of market bias. If you’re not LA or NYC or LeBron/Curry they don’t talk about you. The only time they talk about you is when the media can fantasize about them being traded to their favored markets. If Giannis had gotten traded to LA instead of Luka the media would be talking about him as “the face of the league” and MVP

Euro fans don’t particularly like or claim Giannis(wonder why) and the analytic nerds see everything as a competition with Jokic. Then there are the weirdos who hate any dominate athletic player as an affront to “skill”

Bucks need to be better but Giannis ain’t the problem by a long shot

He hasn't improved enough to be the unanimous best player in the world by a long shot or to even sniff the GOAT debate like we wanted. The fans were expecting him to reach Lebron, MJ, Magic status and he never did (which is fine because he's still top 20 all-time and a champion, his career is by no means a disappointment)

[JayMKE]

He hasn't really improved all that much after his MVP season. Obviously still an incredible talent, but many expected him to reach an MJ/Kobe/LeBron type level where it was just him, and everybody else. (kind of like where Jokic is right now).

Clearly you haven’t watched Giannis in years, he’s improved literally every season of his career.

The league hates Milwaukee and will give any reason to not talk about them, real Jokic fans from Denver should understand this type of market bias. If you’re not LA or NYC or LeBron/Curry they don’t talk about you. The only time they talk about you is when the media can fantasize about them being traded to their favored markets. If Giannis had gotten traded to LA instead of Luka the media would be talking about him as “the face of the league” and MVP

Euro fans don’t particularly like or claim Giannis(wonder why) and the analytic nerds see everything as a competition with Jokic. Then there are the weirdos who hate any dominate athletic player as an affront to “skill”

Bucks need to be better but Giannis ain’t the problem by a long shot

He hasn't improved enough to be the unanimous best player in the world by a long shot or to even sniff the GOAT debate like we wanted. The fans were expecting him to reach Lebron, MJ, Magic status and he never did (which is fine because he's still top 20 all-time and a champion, his career is by no means a disappointment)

That’s an arbitrary measure and nobody is going to reach those guy’s level without winning 3+ rings including Jokic or SGA or Tatum. Winning multiple rings in the league right now is way harder than before because of the apron rules. Giannis has been hurt the last 2 postseasons and there was massive turnover on the teams, hot takes have a really short memory.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Top10alltime]

Absolutely everyone talks about Giannis. He is just that overrated.

[DusterBuster]

Simply not much to talk about. He's the same player he's been for awhile, amazing talent, injuries have held him back last few years... what else is there to say?

[JujitsuFlip]

He's been eliminated in the 1st round, 3 seasons in a row, only being healthy for 1 series.

What is there to talk about? He needs to stay healthy and have a deep playoff run.

[KGtabake]

My bet for MVP this season.
The ball on his hands, a team that will win 45(max 50) games and a top3 finish in the East.
I expect something around 30/12/6/2/1 on 65% from the floor, along with crazy advanced stats.

[TheGeneral99]

He hasn't had any playoff success since the 2021 championship, losing in the 1st round three seasons in a row, so he doesn't have much buzz around him.

A phenomenal player, but guys like Jokic, Luka, Shai etc. have had multiple deep playoff runs in the past 3-4 years and have become bigger names.

[bovice]

if he hadn't injured Kyrie he wouldn't have a ring either. he's an overrated basketball player.

[Curmudgeon]

Milwaukee as a franchise has become irrelevant. Bad coach, terrible move to acquire Dame, most of the other good players from that championship team are gone.

[Rubios]

He is the 2nd best player of the league since Jokic took over. No lower than 3rd for the last 7 seasons.

Bad luck with injuries at the worst time and... well, playing for the Bucks.

[Black Jack]

Let's talk about it

[Slimjimzv]

It's too depressing to talk about Giannis and his crappy team situation.

[GiannisAnte34]

It's too depressing to talk about Giannis and his crappy team situation.

I think his team is capable of a top 3 seed next season, so it depends on what you mean by crappy

They’re never going to be as stacked as the Cavs or Knicks but on the other hand all it takes is one postseason where the Bucks finally stay healthy

[Slimjimzv]

It's too depressing to talk about Giannis and his crappy team situation.

I think his team is capable of a top 3 seed next season, so it depends on what you mean by crappy

They’re never going to be as stacked as the Cavs or Knicks but on the other hand all it takes is one postseason where the Bucks finally stay healthy

I just don't see it. I don't think they can compete with Orlando, Atlanta, Detroit, Cleveland, or New York and the betting odds support that opinion. When you have a top 2-4 player in the NBA, that is inexcusable. If Giannis gets hurt, it's completely over. If not, they're a bottom-tier Eastern Conference team.

[ShootersShoot]

The last two playoffs have been duds due to injury, and his supporting cast is terrible outside of the center position.

[GiannisAnte34]

It's too depressing to talk about Giannis and his crappy team situation.

I think his team is capable of a top 3 seed next season, so it depends on what you mean by crappy

They’re never going to be as stacked as the Cavs or Knicks but on the other hand all it takes is one postseason where the Bucks finally stay healthy

I just don't see it. I don't think they can compete with Orlando, Atlanta, Detroit, Cleveland, or New York and the betting odds support that opinion. When you have a top 2-4 player in the NBA, that is inexcusable. If Giannis gets hurt, it's completely over. If not, they're a bottom-tier Eastern Conference team.

Cleveland and New York at full strength sure

Orlando assuming health sure

Atlanta and Detroit? Totally unproven

[Packbuckman]

It's too depressing to talk about Giannis and his crappy team situation.

I think his team is capable of a top 3 seed next season, so it depends on what you mean by crappy

They’re never going to be as stacked as the Cavs or Knicks but on the other hand all it takes is one postseason where the Bucks finally stay healthy

I just don't see it. I don't think they can compete with Orlando, Atlanta, Detroit, Cleveland, or New York and the betting odds support that opinion. When you have a top 2-4 player in the NBA, that is inexcusable. If Giannis gets hurt, it's completely over. If not, they're a bottom-tier Eastern Conference team.

Then you should bet on that I sure the **** wouldn’t.
The PG spot is going to be a lot better than all these so called experts think especially defensively where dame was not good. They have 3pt shooters everywhere and the Bucks have owned Detroit Orlando and Atlanta with Dame leaving that’s not going to change. Giannis is still getting better I expect his best year ever don’t be surprised he gets over 8 assists a game I can see 32-12-8.5 This team with Turner next to Giannis can be a top 5 defense.