Week 2 Game thread

[wco81]

Baker in his current revival form is 1-2 in the playoffs with the Bucs.

Though he has mostly put up good numbers in those games.

We will see if he breaks through this season.

[Mamba Mentality]

re: Jeanty, he should've never went that high and this isn't hindsight, just not a physical specimen at RB that usually goes high, imo more of a second half of the first round prospect.

you gotta be physically special as a RB to go top 10 man, we weren't talking about Saquan or AP here

I don't mind him going top 10 but the destination made no sense. Raiders are closer to a rebuilding team than they are a contending team. They should have spent their draft capital and $$ to address the offensive line.

[clyde21]

re: Jeanty, he should've never went that high and this isn't hindsight, just not a physical specimen at RB that usually goes high, imo more of a second half of the first round prospect.

you gotta be physically special as a RB to go top 10 man, we weren't talking about Saquan or AP here

I don't mind him going top 10 but the destination made no sense. Raiders are closer to a rebuilding team than they are a contending team. They should have spent their draft capital and $$ to address the offensive line.

If you dont mind him going top 10 how is he supposed not go to a rebuilding team? Most teams in the top 10 are rebuilding, thats the point

[Cactus Jack]

Jeanty is a Raider because of Carroll. If they hire a different coach, then he likely ends up in a place like Chicago or Dallas.

[azcatz11]

Jeanty is a Raider because of Carroll. If they hire a different coach, then he likely ends up in a place like Chicago or Dallas.

Well turns out I was right. Bill simmons kept commentating with Mina Kimes how small Jeanty looked on his pod

[clyde21]

Jeanty is a Raider because of Carroll. If they hire a different coach, then he likely ends up in a place like Chicago or Dallas.

Well turns out I was right. Bill simmons kept commentating with Mina Kimes how small Jeanty looked on his pod

why is this shocking to Bill Simmons? he measured 5'8' at the combine. he's always been short, not new information.

[QB_Eagles]

Darren Sproles was effective in pass protection. It's an attitude/skill issue, not a size issue.

[LAKESHOW]

Jeanty is a Raider because of Carroll. If they hire a different coach, then he likely ends up in a place like Chicago or Dallas.

Well turns out I was right. Bill simmons kept commentating with Mina Kimes how small Jeanty looked on his pod

I didnt want to say, but when I coached, I've had many RBs with that Similar build. Bigger legs, but narrow shoulders. If you look at the eagles RB, he's built like a square block. But can block. Jeanty doesn't seem to be able to block at this point

[Mr Swagtastic]

Whose everyone's betting favourite star to get dealt first? I could see Henderickson going if Burrow is indeed gone for 3 months. I mean that's Christmas/New Year's I don't see how they are competitive enough in a loaded AFC with Buffalo/Baltimore/Chargers/KC/Denver/Houston (have faith they will turn it around) and average teams like Indy/Jacksonville/Pittsburgh/Vegas.

I know this is really early but I could see some teams being serious sellers by week 5 if they are truly out of it.

Philly would be stupid to move off AJ Brown unless a team blows them away with a offer. Like Pat Surtain Jr but I could see the argument both teams say no.

Players that need obvious changes of scenery are Tyree Wilson Kyle Pitts and Anthony Robertson. Right now both former Gators have little value maybe Pitts gets you a 3rd and a guy who needs out as well. Tyree Wilson idk who trades anything more than a 4th/5th for him. He's looked awful in LV. I could see The Browns potentially selling high on Ward like a decent 2nd plus a 4th/5th and a decent depth piece back

What would Hendrickson even net? They had him on the trade block twice, he's on an expiring deal and will be 31 this season.

3rd or 4th plus a depth guy. Cincy is stuck in no man's land. They threw massive amounts to Jamar, Higgins and Burrow to the point it's 45%.of their cap. Their team has massive holes on defense and a suspect oline that's getting Burrow hurt well that and Joe holding the ball too long.

I could see a contender needing a pass rusher going after Henderickson at the deadline. Philly is always aggressive and needs another guy, Detroit or I wouldn't count out Dallas or The Colts. I don't see him netting a 1st like some sites suggest. A first is always going to hold value. Even a 2nd from a middle of the pack team is still valuable

[wco81]

Read on Twitter

This is the issue with the tush push. It’s a clear penalty and it’s like this every play, but is never called. It makes no sense why this isn’t called because it’s so obvious

NFL has said it will be officiated more tightly:

The NFL said the Philadelphia Eagles should have been flagged for at least one false start when they used the tush push against the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday and instructed officials this week to call the controversial play "tight" going forward.

The message from the league, which was first reported by The Washington Post and later confirmed by ESPN, came in its training tape to officials, which was distributed to all 32 teams Wednesday.

The NFL showed the Eagles running the QB sneak on third-and-short late in the fourth quarter for a first down in an eventual 20-17 win in Kansas City.

"Anytime we have this situation we're in short yardage, we know we want to make sure that we officiate these plays -- the offensive team has to be perfect in every aspect," NFL vice president of officiating training and development Ramon George said, according to the Post. "We want to officiate it tight. We want to be black and white and be as tight as we can be when we get into this situation where teams are in the bunch position and we have to officiate them being onsides, movement early.


"Prior to the snap, looks like we have movement by the right guard. We also have movement coming across from the defensive side. This is a very hard play to officiate. I get it."

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said after the game that the Eagles "might have had a couple [QB sneak plays] that they got off a little early on," putting further scrutiny on the play. Fox analyst Tom Brady also suggested during the broadcast that Eagles offensive linemen were getting off the line of scrimmage before the snap but weren't penalized.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46307930/nfl-officials-keep-eye-false-starts-tush-push

But apparently players also move prior to the snap on conventional QB sneaks and maybe some short yardage situations where the ball is handed off.

[Jaydubb]

Read on Twitter

This is the issue with the tush push. It’s a clear penalty and it’s like this every play, but is never called. It makes no sense why this isn’t called because it’s so obvious

NFL has said it will be officiated more tightly:

The NFL said the Philadelphia Eagles should have been flagged for at least one false start when they used the tush push against the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday and instructed officials this week to call the controversial play "tight" going forward.

The message from the league, which was first reported by The Washington Post and later confirmed by ESPN, came in its training tape to officials, which was distributed to all 32 teams Wednesday.

The NFL showed the Eagles running the QB sneak on third-and-short late in the fourth quarter for a first down in an eventual 20-17 win in Kansas City.

"Anytime we have this situation we're in short yardage, we know we want to make sure that we officiate these plays -- the offensive team has to be perfect in every aspect," NFL vice president of officiating training and development Ramon George said, according to the Post. "We want to officiate it tight. We want to be black and white and be as tight as we can be when we get into this situation where teams are in the bunch position and we have to officiate them being onsides, movement early.


"Prior to the snap, looks like we have movement by the right guard. We also have movement coming across from the defensive side. This is a very hard play to officiate. I get it."

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said after the game that the Eagles "might have had a couple [QB sneak plays] that they got off a little early on," putting further scrutiny on the play. Fox analyst Tom Brady also suggested during the broadcast that Eagles offensive linemen were getting off the line of scrimmage before the snap but weren't penalized.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46307930/nfl-officials-keep-eye-false-starts-tush-push

But apparently players also move prior to the snap on conventional QB sneaks and maybe some short yardage situations where the ball is handed off.

Defenders also a lot of times line up in the neutral zone against the tush push so any early movement on the OL should actually be a penalty on the defense.

[Mariner]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

[Duke4life831]

Read on Twitter

This is the issue with the tush push. It’s a clear penalty and it’s like this every play, but is never called. It makes no sense why this isn’t called because it’s so obvious

NFL has said it will be officiated more tightly:

The NFL said the Philadelphia Eagles should have been flagged for at least one false start when they used the tush push against the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday and instructed officials this week to call the controversial play "tight" going forward.

The message from the league, which was first reported by The Washington Post and later confirmed by ESPN, came in its training tape to officials, which was distributed to all 32 teams Wednesday.

The NFL showed the Eagles running the QB sneak on third-and-short late in the fourth quarter for a first down in an eventual 20-17 win in Kansas City.

"Anytime we have this situation we're in short yardage, we know we want to make sure that we officiate these plays -- the offensive team has to be perfect in every aspect," NFL vice president of officiating training and development Ramon George said, according to the Post. "We want to officiate it tight. We want to be black and white and be as tight as we can be when we get into this situation where teams are in the bunch position and we have to officiate them being onsides, movement early.


"Prior to the snap, looks like we have movement by the right guard. We also have movement coming across from the defensive side. This is a very hard play to officiate. I get it."

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said after the game that the Eagles "might have had a couple [QB sneak plays] that they got off a little early on," putting further scrutiny on the play. Fox analyst Tom Brady also suggested during the broadcast that Eagles offensive linemen were getting off the line of scrimmage before the snap but weren't penalized.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46307930/nfl-officials-keep-eye-false-starts-tush-push

But apparently players also move prior to the snap on conventional QB sneaks and maybe some short yardage situations where the ball is handed off.

Oh I definitely think you can call some kind of penalty like that on most plays. I just think the issue with the tush push is just how egregious it is. The offense tends to have 3-4 guys clearly lined up in the neutral zone and pretty egregious fall starts.

And this has been like this from the beginning. I watch a couple podcasts, one that is focused on O line play and even they have been admitting how much the line gets away with on that play.

But ya all I’m asking is to call the clear neutral zone calls and the egregious fall starts

[Jaydubb]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

I agree. I’m getting kinda tired of it to be honest. Not so much the play itself but the constant crying about it.

The Washington game where defenders were deliberately jumping over the line and hitting eagles OL to time the snap was super annoying. It was the first time I’ve ever seen a ref say if it continues they will just award a TD to the eagles. That’s not football.

[QB_Eagles]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

Pussification of America.

[azcatz11]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

Pussification of America.

BJJ flew to California for the Jimmy Kimmel protest. He won’t be with us this weekend

[Jaydubb]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

Pussification of America.

Also agree with this. It’s dumb that the reason it’ll be banned is because everybody’s crying about it. What should happen is they find a way to beat it, crying about it is for pussy ass losers. And everybody’s crying about the tush push, I just wanna go back to when it was only cowboy fans that were little cry babies. Good times.

[Jaydubb]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

Pussification of America.

BJJ flew to California for the Jimmy Kimmel protest. He won’t be with us this weekend

Not surprised

[QB_Eagles]

It’s such an ugly play.
Defenders lining up wrong.
Defenders jumping offside several times in desperation
Eagles false starting on the play
Then it’s difficult to review the play because of all the bodies and not seeing the ball.
They tried to give it a chance this year but I’m guessing the NFL has had enough of this play and it will be banned next year.

Pussification of America.

BJJ flew to California for the Jimmy Kimmel protest. He won’t be with us this weekend

Damn, who will lead the conversation on non-derailing topics like gay bars then?

[LAKESHOW]

I dunno, but i don't think a False Start can be Reviewable. Like if they false start, the opposing coach cannot throw a Red Flag, because I don't believe False Starts are a Reviewable play.