Bucks - Raptors

nolian · Post #1 » by **nolian** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:24 pm

RJBarret x K.Kuzma + A.Jackson/T.Smith + future FPR lottery protected

why for Raptors
they have too much player in back court: Quicley, Shaed, Dick, -Barrett-, Walter, Agbaji, Roddy
they have Ingram and and Barnes at SFn and in addition Rossy, Murray-Boyles, Battle
they can't re-sign Barrett after this contract because they already have a lot of cap invested on Barnes, Ingram, Quickley, so the can trade Barrett to invest in other role, and take a FRP

why for Bucks
Kuzma is out of project
Barrett is better than anyone other of thier backcourt

RAPTORS
Dick, Ingram, Barnes, Kuzma, Poetl
Quickley, Walter, Shaed, Agbaji, Battle, Murray-Boyles, Mogbo, Mamukelashvili

BUCKS
ColeAnthony, Barrett, Prince, Giannis, Turner
Rollins, K.PorterJr, G.TrentJr, AJGreen, Coffey, Portis

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:35 pm

RJ might be better than Kuzma, but I wouldn't give up a first round pick and take on his salary hoping it made any kind of real difference.

tcheco · Post #3 » by **tcheco** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:48 pm

I think Bucks can look into getting a better fit if they are using a FRP to improve the roster. I also think that Kuzma fit in the Raptors is terrible.
Bucks could use Barrett, sure, I do think the team is better after this trade, I will give you that

Godaddycurse · Post #4 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 3:14 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:RJ might be better than Kuzma, but I wouldn't give up a first round pick and take on his salary hoping it made any kind of real difference.

Kuzma is so bad and East is wide open enough this year that it might make a difference between a first round exit vs deeper run. A lottery protected first in 2031 isnt worth very much either. Solid chance it wont convey if Giannis is post prime/goes elsewhere.

I would pass for raptors since we are trying to win this year

JayMKE · Post #5 » by **JayMKE** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 3:27 pm

Bucks assets are to limited, they aren’t trading a FRP for non-needle mover in Barrett with a way worse contract.

JRoy · Post #6 » by **JRoy** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 3:57 pm

tcheco wrote:I think Bucks can look into getting a better fit if they are using a FRP to improve the roster. I also think that Kuzma fit in the Raptors is terrible.
Bucks could use Barrett, sure, I do think the team is better after this trade, I will give you that

Does Kuzma fit anywhere?

Godaddycurse · Post #7 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:01 pm

JayMKE wrote:Bucks assets are to limited, they aren’t trading a FRP for non-needle mover in Barrett with a way worse contract.

Kuzma's contract is worse imo. Barrett was a positive impact player despite being surrounded by g league players. still overpaid but at least he contributes to winning unlike kuzma

Godaddycurse · Post #8 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:02 pm

JRoy wrote:
tcheco wrote:I think Bucks can look into getting a better fit if they are using a FRP to improve the roster. I also think that Kuzma fit in the Raptors is terrible.
Bucks could use Barrett, sure, I do think the team is better after this trade, I will give you that

Does Kuzma fit anywhere?

he would be a good tank commander for Utah or Brooklyn

JRoy · Post #9 » by **JRoy** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:07 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
JRoy wrote:
tcheco wrote:I think Bucks can look into getting a better fit if they are using a FRP to improve the roster. I also think that Kuzma fit in the Raptors is terrible.
Bucks could use Barrett, sure, I do think the team is better after this trade, I will give you that

Does Kuzma fit anywhere?

he would be a good tank commander for Utah or Brooklyn

Maybe, but no one will take him for free MIL has almost nothing to trade.

tcheco · Post #10 » by **tcheco** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:21 pm

JRoy wrote:
tcheco wrote:I think Bucks can look into getting a better fit if they are using a FRP to improve the roster. I also think that Kuzma fit in the Raptors is terrible.
Bucks could use Barrett, sure, I do think the team is better after this trade, I will give you that

Does Kuzma fit anywhere?

Touche

JayMKE · Post #11 » by **JayMKE** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:55 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Bucks assets are to limited, they aren’t trading a FRP for non-needle mover in Barrett with a way worse contract.

Kuzma's contract is worse imo. Barrett was a positive impact player despite being surrounded by g league players. still overpaid but at least he contributes to winning unlike kuzma

Is he actually a positive impact player tho? Kuzma put up stats on a bad team too before being traded. I think Barrett is closer to Kuzma than he is a core player on team trying to contend.

Godaddycurse · Post #12 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:59 pm

JayMKE wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Bucks assets are to limited, they aren’t trading a FRP for non-needle mover in Barrett with a way worse contract.

Kuzma's contract is worse imo. Barrett was a positive impact player despite being surrounded by g league players. still overpaid but at least he contributes to winning unlike kuzma

Is he actually a positive impact player tho? Kuzma put up stats on a bad team too before being traded. I think Barrett is closer to Kuzma than he is a core player on team trying to contend.

kuzma put up counting stats, i was referring to bpm/epm and on-off +/-, of which kuzma was negative past 2 years and barrett was positive last year and a half while as a raptor

jayjaysee · Post #13 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:25 pm

I think that both teams should pass here.

Toronto doesn’t save enough money for this to be a good financial-motivated move. So the asset should be a bit better.

Milwaukee doesn’t get a good enough player to justify losing the ability to trade the 2031 first for a better player.

Golabki · Post #14 » by **Golabki** » Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:23 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
JayMKE wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Kuzma's contract is worse imo. Barrett was a positive impact player despite being surrounded by g league players. still overpaid but at least he contributes to winning unlike kuzma

Is he actually a positive impact player tho? Kuzma put up stats on a bad team too before being traded. I think Barrett is closer to Kuzma than he is a core player on team trying to contend.

kuzma put up counting stats, i was referring to bpm/epm and on-off +/-, of which kuzma was negative past 2 years and barrett was positive last year and a half while as a raptor

I'm a bit surprised by the anti-Barrett reaction. I think Barrett is a pretty useful 2 way wing, and I think it was arguably the best player on the Raptors last year. He's not a good shooter, but he shoots enough to get guarded (5-6 3PA per 36 at 35-36% is adequate). Sure he's overpaid but he's still useful.

Whereas, I don't think Kuzma is an NBA player anymore. There's this idea that "if he could just get back to be a 3&D forward like he was on the Lakers" but that was a half decade ago and even then he was like the 8th man on that lakers team.

Post #15 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:25 am

I don't get the direction for Toronto at all. RJ isn't great but he's better than Kuzma. Kuzma is a great tank commander like he puts up empty stats on bad teams and when you look at his numbers especially the advanced metrics from afar they are good but he's far from good. I hate the fit here as well, CMB, Barnes Ingram and Mogbo are all guys Toronto should prioritize giving minutes to. Andre Jackson Jr has defensive potential but Toronto has enough guards who can't shoot we don't need more. Right now Jackson Jr can't create his own offense and shouldn't be viewed as anything more than a depth piece. Tyler Smith looks interesting as a prospect but he's extremely raw, the pick is so far off I can't see it convaying as Giannis is going into his age 36 season and who knows what Milwaukee will be then and if he sticks it out.

Post #16 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:47 pm

Ugh, Kuzma is just an awful player. I want no part in this.

Post #17 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:26 pm

Mr Swagtastic wrote:I don't get the direction for Toronto at all. RJ isn't great but he's better than Kuzma. Kuzma is a great tank commander like he puts up empty stats on bad teams and when you look at his numbers especially the advanced metrics from afar they are good but he's far from good. I hate the fit here as well, CMB, Barnes Ingram and Mogbo are all guys Toronto should prioritize giving minutes to. Andre Jackson Jr has defensive potential but Toronto has enough guards who can't shoot we don't need more. Right now Jackson Jr can't create his own offense and shouldn't be viewed as anything more than a depth piece. Tyler Smith looks interesting as a prospect but he's extremely raw, the pick is so far off I can't see it convaying as Giannis is going into his age 36 season and who knows what Milwaukee will be then and if he sticks it out.

What advanced metrics are good for Kuzma? IF you just look at counting numbers (raw PPG/RPG/APG) from his Wizard years you might think the numbers are good but add in efficiency and defensive stats and his profile goes South fast.

One_and_Done · Post #18 » by **One_and_Done** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:35 am

RJ just isn't very valuable. I doubt he can even return this.

Godaddycurse · Post #19 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 11:04 am

One_and_Done wrote:RJ just isn't very valuable. I doubt he can even return this.

Nobody claimed he is (very valuable). Kuzma is just way worse

nolian · Post #20 » by **nolian** » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:08 pm

too much messages are talking about "Barrett is better than Kuzma"
this is the base for the trade hypotesis

in fact the idea is that Bucks send a FRP (in addition to Kuzma and Jackson) to the Raptors
the FRP is 2031 when probably Bucks will not be a playoff team