Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[HiRez]

Speaking of Turner:

Sportico

Los Angeles Clippers forward Derrick Jones Jr. will need to pay his former agent Aaron Turner a 4% commission ($1.2 million) on a three-year, $30 million contract Jones says he directly negotiated with the Clippers last year, an arbitrator ruled on Wednesday.

The key reason: Jones didn’t provide Turner written notice of 15 days of his decision to fire him before signing with the Clippers.

The arbitration highlights how players firing one agent in hopes of quickly signing with another have to meet contractual notice obligations....

If the player is negotiating the deals himself why does he even need an agent in the first place? Did DJJ even let Turner know he was doing that?

[EvanZ]

Speaking of Turner:

Sportico

Los Angeles Clippers forward Derrick Jones Jr. will need to pay his former agent Aaron Turner a 4% commission ($1.2 million) on a three-year, $30 million contract Jones says he directly negotiated with the Clippers last year, an arbitrator ruled on Wednesday.

The key reason: Jones didn’t provide Turner written notice of 15 days of his decision to fire him before signing with the Clippers.

The arbitration highlights how players firing one agent in hopes of quickly signing with another have to meet contractual notice obligations....

If the player is negotiating the deals himself why does he even need an agent in the first place? Did DJJ even let Turner know he was doing that?

I mean it kinda sounds like Turner did the negotiations and Jones fired him and then tried to sign the contract without having to give him him the 4%? I assume that's why they have a written notice clause to prevent shenanigans like this on the player's part.

[HiRez]

Speaking of Turner:

Sportico

If the player is negotiating the deals himself why does he even need an agent in the first place? Did DJJ even let Turner know he was doing that?

I mean it kinda sounds like Turner did the negotiations and Jones fired him and then tried to sign the contract without having to give him him the 4%? I assume that's why they have a written notice clause to prevent shenanigans like this on the player's part.

Yeah, that part makes sense because that's a pretty crappy move on the player's part and shouldn't be allowed, but apparently DJJ is claiming he did the negotiations. I assume the arbitrator checked on what happened and the conclusion is DJJ was in the wrong one way or another. Agents seem like they can be pretty slimy, but how **** greedy do you have to be to pull stuff like this to save 4% on a $30M contract? These millionaires and billionaires make me sick.

[Twinkie defense]

Lacob is never trading jk.

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

I think those opportunities are overblown. For example the Nets wanted one or more first round picks PLUS Kuminga for Cam Johnson. Jazz never wanted Kuminga. None of those players were available to the Warriors in a straight up swap for Kuminga, they all required post-Curry picks and the Warriors are not gonna mortgage the future for middling players. If they mortgage the post-Curry future they are gonna swing for the fences.

[Onus]

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

I think those opportunities are overblown. For example the Nets wanted one or more first round picks PLUS Kuminga for Cam Johnson. Jazz never wanted Kuminga. None of those players were available to the Warriors in a straight up swap for Kuminga, they all required post-Curry picks and the Warriors are not gonna mortgage the future for middling players. If they mortgage the post-Curry future they are gonna swing for the fences.

JK's value is overblown and overvalued by Lacob, which is why JK is never going to get traded. By himself he's worth Devin Carter + Saric and 2 2nds on a long term deal. To get anyone of value we're going to have to add value, which Lacob and yourself seem unwilling to do.

[DonaldSanders]

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

I think those opportunities are overblown. For example the Nets wanted one or more first round picks PLUS Kuminga for Cam Johnson. Jazz never wanted Kuminga. None of those players were available to the Warriors in a straight up swap for Kuminga, they all required post-Curry picks and the Warriors are not gonna mortgage the future for middling players. If they mortgage the post-Curry future they are gonna swing for the fences.

In '23 it was probably worth it just coming off a title to go for Siakam, and Caruso was a 1-1 deal last year. OG was probably worth it too a few years ago. I wouldn't have given up a post Curry 1st though for Cam Johnson.

Imagine having Caruso last year, we don't have to go to 7 with the Rockets, Steph is fresher and doesn't get injured, and we probably beat the Wolves.

[EvanZ]

Amick was just on the Sacramento sports talk radio and he seemed pretty sure the Warriors won't give JK the PO in the third year. Amick said it's not just the Warriors but across the league teams are trying to maintain as much flexibility as possible for the summer of '27.

So here's my thought. Maybe we end up just guaranteeing two years. No options, no third year. If JK doesn't take that, so be it. Final offer.

[bay2hk]

Amick was just on the Sacramento sports talk radio and he seemed pretty sure the Warriors won't give JK the PO in the third year. Amick said it's not just the Warriors but across the league teams are trying to maintain as much flexibility as possible for the summer of '27.

So here's my thought. Maybe we end up just guaranteeing two years. No options, no third year. If JK doesn't take that, so be it. Final offer.

Warriors should also give him a deadline to make a decision too. Training camp starts before the 10/1 deadline so if he can’t make a decision in the next week then he can sign the QO on 10/1 and lose out on $40m guaranteed.

[statsman]

Amick was just on the Sacramento sports talk radio and he seemed pretty sure the Warriors won't give JK the PO in the third year. Amick said it's not just the Warriors but across the league teams are trying to maintain as much flexibility as possible for the summer of '27.

So here's my thought. Maybe we end up just guaranteeing two years. No options, no third year. If JK doesn't take that, so be it. Final offer.

Warriors should also give him a deadline to make a decision too. Training camp starts before the 10/1 deadline so if he can’t make a decision in the next week then he can sign the QO on 10/1 and lose out on $40m guaranteed.

He can try to get a RFA offer sheet. This is the only thing I think the Warriors are trying to protect themselves against: a surprise offer sheet. Maybe they're privy to information in that regard than the fans know about. It's the main explanation I have as to why at least Horford hasn't been signed.

[giberish]

Amick was just on the Sacramento sports talk radio and he seemed pretty sure the Warriors won't give JK the PO in the third year. Amick said it's not just the Warriors but across the league teams are trying to maintain as much flexibility as possible for the summer of '27.

So here's my thought. Maybe we end up just guaranteeing two years. No options, no third year. If JK doesn't take that, so be it. Final offer.

Warriors should also give him a deadline to make a decision too. Training camp starts before the 10/1 deadline so if he can’t make a decision in the next week then he can sign the QO on 10/1 and lose out on $40m guaranteed.

He can try to get a RFA offer sheet. This is the only thing I think the Warriors are trying to protect themselves against: a surprise offer sheet. Maybe they're privy to information in that regard than the fans know about. It's the main explanation I have as to why at least Horford hasn't been signed.

Matching a sane offer sheet doesn't hard cap the Warriors at the 1st apron so it wouldn't get in the way of the other planned signings. A crazy offer would just not be matched - and there isn't a team with the cap space to make a crazy offer anyways (I think the Nets have some cap room, but not a huge amount).

I really don't know why GS hasn't signed the rest of the roster. I think it's some unnecessary overthinking.

[statsman]

Warriors should also give him a deadline to make a decision too. Training camp starts before the 10/1 deadline so if he can’t make a decision in the next week then he can sign the QO on 10/1 and lose out on $40m guaranteed.

He can try to get a RFA offer sheet. This is the only thing I think the Warriors are trying to protect themselves against: a surprise offer sheet. Maybe they're privy to information in that regard than the fans know about. It's the main explanation I have as to why at least Horford hasn't been signed.

Matching a sane offer sheet doesn't hard cap the Warriors at the 1st apron so it wouldn't get in the way of the other planned signings. A crazy offer would just not be matched - and there isn't a team with the cap space to make a crazy offer anyways (I think the Nets have some cap room, but not a huge amount).

I really don't know why GS hasn't signed the rest of the roster. I think it's some unnecessary overthinking.

Yeah, I think it's the borderline crazy offer. Once Horford is signed to he TPMLE (or anyone else), the Warriors are hard capped at the 2nd apron. With vet minimums for the rest, anything that starts at $24M this season for Kuminga becomes problematic to match.

The room below a 2nd apron hard cap can be extended to $25M, but that requires signing one of the 2nd round rookies (Richard, Toohey) to a rookie minimum contract. I had heard rumor a couple of weeks ago that they were considering Richard with one of the 14 roster spots.

[xdrta+]

One thing to remember about the Warriors matching an offer sheet is that it gives JK veto power over a trade for one full year.

[Twinkie defense]

Lacob is never trading jk.

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

On the brand new Warriors Plus Minus Tim K just said Warriors would have done it (traded Kuminga) for Paskal Siakam but Toronto didn't want him. "Literally said 'we are not taking him.'"

[Twinkie defense]

In '23 it was probably worth it just coming off a title to go for Siakam

See above - Toronto did not want Kuminga, period.

[Twinkie defense]

By himself he's worth Devin Carter + Saric and 2 2nds on a long term deal.

That's worse than the James Wiseman haul.

[Onus]

I totally disagree with this. Lacob wants to win. If the Warriors can get better with a better-fitting player Lacob will sign off on that in a heartbeat. The problem is teams have only been offering garbage in trade.

Remember Lacob signed off on what was basically Wiseman for GPII.

Lacob has had multiple opportunities to trade jk for a better fitting piece and has said no to every player. Siakam, OG, Lauri, Caruso, Cam Johnson. The players are only getting worse. The only player jk is getting traded for is giannis.

On the brand new Warriors Plus Minus Tim K just said Warriors would have done it (traded Kuminga) for Paskal Siakam but Toronto didn't want him. "Literally said 'we are not taking him.'"

Lmao it just gets worse and worse. So they know his value is low and still won’t accept it. Smh

[Onus]

By himself he's worth Devin Carter + Saric and 2 2nds on a long term deal.

That's worse than the James Wiseman haul.

His value is what the market will offer for him which apparently isn’t much. Add in the fact there’s 2 teams who have flat out refused to take him in Toronto and Utah. Like what are you expecting?

[Twinkie defense]

If Kuminga's value is that low the Warriors are better off resigning him (to a reasonable dollar and years deal) and using him in trade as an expiring contract.

[bay2hk]

If Kuminga's value is that low the Warriors are better off resigning him (to a reasonable dollar and years deal) and using him in trade as an expiring contract.

No, the practical move to make is force JK sign the QO and force him to earn his next contract. We still own his birds rights next offseason even if he signs the QO and can facilitate a S&T if it’s worth it.

I bet warriors are secretly hoping JK rejects their current offer and sign the QO. Warriors FO and most fans don’t want him on $25m per year over 3 years. It’s going to be a negative contract if warriors give him that much.

[statsman]

If Kuminga's value is that low the Warriors are better off resigning him (to a reasonable dollar and years deal) and using him in trade as an expiring contract.

No, the practical move to make is force JK sign the QO and force him to earn his next contract. We still own his birds rights next offseason even if he signs the QO and can facilitate a S&T if it’s worth it.

I bet warriors are secretly hoping JK rejects their current offer and sign the QO. Warriors FO and most fans don’t want him on $25m per year over 3 years. It’s going to be a negative contract if warriors give him that much.

Only problem with the S&T idea is that the Warriors would be dealing with the BYC aspect again, since that would happen with more than a 120% raise using his Bird rights. 120% of $8M (QO) is $9.6M, so yeah, BYC.