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[jayjaysee]

Just a random bad one? throwing Dallas in a deal they don’t belong? A simple reasonable deal ruined?

Vassell to Dallas
Klay and MPJ to SAS
Keldon, Barnes, Saric, Powell to Brooklyn
Naji to Sac

With Sac giving 1-2 seconds to SAS or Brooklyn or Dallas?

SAS - gets good spacing and keeps the books set for clear for the year before Wemby.

SAC - gets a forward. Dumps the 1-2 million dollars to get back under the tax later. Could be Carter for a vet min or something bigger and more exciting.

Brooklyn - buys out some more guys, but clears 20 million for next season when they need to build a roster.

Dallas - hopes Vassell can bounce back but they get a younger and better starter by taking on money and losing Naji?

I think SAS would just do the MPJ part and bet on vassell bouncing back.

Yeah, the simple two team deal was obvious and where we started.. But SAS could use the extra flexibility a bit..


The Klay/Vassell addition was due to SAS 2026-2027 books. If they trim that extra 10 million, their 36 million in tax space starts to feel a lot better - you can look at paying Sochan and maybe using some/all of the MLE or paying Julian a year early if he earns it. Or you can obviously trade Klay at that point as an expiring depending on what the team needs?

Having 26 million in tax space with 9 roster spots filled is okay and they can likely pay Sochan, use their first round pick and fill the bench cheap under tax.

But seems a lot easier with the Klay/Vassell swap. And the hope has to be that Harper/Castle are ready for big minutes next season.

[jayjaysee]

Another random bad one?

Monk to Phoenix
Klay and Naji to Sac
Grayson and Saric to Dallas

Phoenix gets a bit more playmaking out of their third guard.

Dallas upgrades their starting two by losing Naji.

Sac adds a forward, but still has more work to do obviously.

[daoneandonly]

Just a random bad one? throwing Dallas in a deal they don’t belong? A simple reasonable deal ruined?

Vassell to Dallas
Klay and MPJ to SAS
Keldon, Barnes, Saric, Powell to Brooklyn
Naji to Sac

With Sac giving 1-2 seconds to SAS or Brooklyn or Dallas?

SAS - gets good spacing and keeps the books set for clear for the year before Wemby.

SAC - gets a forward. Dumps the 1-2 million dollars to get back under the tax later. Could be Carter for a vet min or something bigger and more exciting.

Brooklyn - buys out some more guys, but clears 20 million for next season when they need to build a roster.

Dallas - hopes Vassell can bounce back but they get a younger and better starter by taking on money and losing Naji?

I think SAS would just do the MPJ part and bet on vassell bouncing back.

Yeah, the simple two team deal was obvious and where we started.. But SAS could use the extra flexibility a bit..


The Klay/Vassell addition was due to SAS 2026-2027 books. If they trim that extra 10 million, their 36 million in tax space starts to feel a lot better - you can look at paying Sochan and maybe using some/all of the MLE or paying Julian a year early if he earns it. Or you can obviously trade Klay at that point as an expiring depending on what the team needs?

Having 26 million in tax space with 9 roster spots filled is okay and they can likely pay Sochan, use their first round pick and fill the bench cheap under tax.

But seems a lot easier with the Klay/Vassell swap. And the hope has to be that Harper/Castle are ready for big minutes next season.

I like it for Dallas, though the 3 for 1 does hurt depth a bit and Dal foolishly stretch/waived Omax the other day to get to the roster limit.

But I would think BKN could add Whitehead. He can serve a small need for Dallas, and as meaningless as it is, he has the same pedigree (high school & college) as Coop, so maybe that could be a bonding moment. Dal FO really alienated Luka from whats been reported, so any steps to make Coop feel special should be done.

[daoneandonly]

Another random bad one?

Monk to Phoenix
Klay and Naji to Sac
Grayson and Saric to Dallas

Phoenix gets a bit more playmaking out of their third guard.

Dallas upgrades their starting two by losing Naji.

Sac adds a forward, but still has more work to do obviously.

Dont think Dal should have to eat Saric's deadweight if they're losing Naji

[toooskies]

Bufken (15) and JHS (16) are alreay given up on, I don't think Hawkins (14) is tearing it up either, unless when he plays the Mavs...

Yeah once you get past the top 5 this draft starts to look pretty rough. Four guys in the first round (Bufkin, JHS, Whitmore, OMP) already off the teams that drafted them. Arguably the best guy drafted outside the top 5 was Camara, who went 52nd overall.

I mean, second-team all-defense in his second year isn't something to turn your nose up at. He's a legitimate bargain.

Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Brandon Podziemski, and Trayce Jackson-Davis are in the top 6 of Win Shares, BPM, and VORP from that draft class and weren't drafted at the top. Plenty of reliable guys if not stars.

[HornetJail]

Bufken (15) and JHS (16) are alreay given up on, I don't think Hawkins (14) is tearing it up either, unless when he plays the Mavs...

Yeah once you get past the top 5 this draft starts to look pretty rough. Four guys in the first round (Bufkin, JHS, Whitmore, OMP) already off the teams that drafted them. Arguably the best guy drafted outside the top 5 was Camara, who went 52nd overall.

I mean, second-team all-defense in his second year isn't something to turn your nose up at. He's a legitimate bargain.

Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Brandon Podziemski, and Trayce Jackson-Davis are in the top 6 of Win Shares, BPM, and VORP from that draft class and weren't drafted at the top. Plenty of reliable guys if not stars.

it's probably too early for this, but 2023 is starting to look like the 2004-2006 drafts that had a couple stars at the top, but fell off quickly, and just produced a few scattered role players spread randomly throughout the rest of the draft. tough draft once you get past the first 4 picks

[Mavrelous]

Yeah once you get past the top 5 this draft starts to look pretty rough. Four guys in the first round (Bufkin, JHS, Whitmore, OMP) already off the teams that drafted them. Arguably the best guy drafted outside the top 5 was Camara, who went 52nd overall.

I mean, second-team all-defense in his second year isn't something to turn your nose up at. He's a legitimate bargain.

Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Brandon Podziemski, and Trayce Jackson-Davis are in the top 6 of Win Shares, BPM, and VORP from that draft class and weren't drafted at the top. Plenty of reliable guys if not stars.

it's probably too early for this, but 2023 is starting to look like the 2004-2006 drafts that had a couple stars at the top, but fell off quickly, and just produced a few scattered role players spread randomly throughout the rest of the draft. tough draft once you get past the first 4 picks

It was a very hyped up draft though, or maybe I'm biased since I followed it thoroughly since Mavs had a lottery pick.

[jayjaysee]

Another random bad one?

Monk to Phoenix
Klay and Naji to Sac
Grayson and Saric to Dallas

Phoenix gets a bit more playmaking out of their third guard.

Dallas upgrades their starting two by losing Naji.

Sac adds a forward, but still has more work to do obviously.

Dont think Dal should have to eat Saric's deadweight if they're losing Naji

Saric is only a 5 mil expiring and the deal trims enough for Dallas to buy him out and sign a better 15th man under the second apron, if that player existed.

Or likely more smart to just sit on Saric until he can be aggregated and try to get something semi useful out of the deep bench pieces and limited seconds Dallas has; Hardy, Powell, Saric.

But they would still have their four actual bigs. Still have Caleb behind Flagg. Christie behind Grayson..

[jayjaysee]

I think SAS would just do the MPJ part and bet on vassell bouncing back.

Yeah, the simple two team deal was obvious and where we started.. But SAS could use the extra flexibility a bit..


The Klay/Vassell addition was due to SAS 2026-2027 books. If they trim that extra 10 million, their 36 million in tax space starts to feel a lot better - you can look at paying Sochan and maybe using some/all of the MLE or paying Julian a year early if he earns it. Or you can obviously trade Klay at that point as an expiring depending on what the team needs?

Having 26 million in tax space with 9 roster spots filled is okay and they can likely pay Sochan, use their first round pick and fill the bench cheap under tax.

But seems a lot easier with the Klay/Vassell swap. And the hope has to be that Harper/Castle are ready for big minutes next season.

I like it for Dallas, though the 3 for 1 does hurt depth a bit and Dal foolishly stretch/waived Omax the other day to get to the roster limit.

But I would think BKN could add Whitehead. He can serve a small need for Dallas, and as meaningless as it is, he has the same pedigree (high school & college) as Coop, so maybe that could be a bonding moment. Dal FO really alienated Luka from whats been reported, so any steps to make Coop feel special should be done.

I don’t know how Brooklyn feels about any of their guys honestly. But would guess they still believe in Whitehead. I don’t follow them close enough to judge, but 20 year old wings shooting 44% from three usually would call for value.

I think Flagg/Martin and some PJ/Christie minutes is fine at the three. If one is hurt, I get to see Cleveland play.. Probably 14th roster spot goes to a wing anyways though.

And I don’t think Powell counts as lost depth. If we get to a point where Powell is playing a real role, the season is likely over and those minutes could be going to another 10 day guy..

[gswhoops]

Bufken (15) and JHS (16) are alreay given up on, I don't think Hawkins (14) is tearing it up either, unless when he plays the Mavs...

Yeah once you get past the top 5 this draft starts to look pretty rough. Four guys in the first round (Bufkin, JHS, Whitmore, OMP) already off the teams that drafted them. Arguably the best guy drafted outside the top 5 was Camara, who went 52nd overall.

I mean, second-team all-defense in his second year isn't something to turn your nose up at. He's a legitimate bargain.

Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Brandon Podziemski, and Trayce Jackson-Davis are in the top 6 of Win Shares, BPM, and VORP from that draft class and weren't drafted at the top. Plenty of reliable guys if not stars.

Cason is a good player, I didn't intend to imply otherwise. I think he's definitely in the discussion for 4th best player in this class after Wemby/Miller/Amen

My broader point is just that guys like Cason, Lively, Camara, Podz, etc. are trending more towards "good/really good role player" than "top 3 guy on a playoff team"

[HornetJail]

I mean, second-team all-defense in his second year isn't something to turn your nose up at. He's a legitimate bargain.

Cason Wallace, Dereck Lively, Brandon Podziemski, and Trayce Jackson-Davis are in the top 6 of Win Shares, BPM, and VORP from that draft class and weren't drafted at the top. Plenty of reliable guys if not stars.

it's probably too early for this, but 2023 is starting to look like the 2004-2006 drafts that had a couple stars at the top, but fell off quickly, and just produced a few scattered role players spread randomly throughout the rest of the draft. tough draft once you get past the first 4 picks

It was a very hyped up draft though, or maybe I'm biased since I followed it thoroughly since Mavs had a lottery pick.

It was hyped pretty much only for Wemby, Scoot, and maybe Miller. The rest of the draft was littered with question marks and that's really held true so far. The Thompsons had pretty major question marks though Amen looks good so far

[jayjaysee]

Keeping the random going? This one feels really bad but I kept going...

Miami: Wiggins, Rozier, Jovic, 2029 first (top 8 protected, unprotected)
Miami: Lauri

Sac: Demar, Saric, 2026 Sac first (top 10, top 8)
Sac: Wiggins and Jovic

Utah: Lauri
Utah: Demar, Terry, Saric, 2026 Sac first, 2029 Miami first

Miami gets a “star” and goes big starting Lauri/Bam/Ware. Leaves 14 mil under tax for 2 roster spots so would be able to add another forward to add to “Bam”, Lauri, JJJ, Simone

Sac gets two forwards for one first.

Utah gets two firsts for Lauri and tries to find a home for Demar?

[SkyHook]

Keeping the random going? This one feels really bad but I kept going...

Miami: Wiggins, Rozier, Jovic, 2029 first (top 8 protected, unprotected)
Miami: Lauri

Sac: Demar, Saric, 2026 Sac first (top 10, top 8)
Sac: Wiggins and Jovic

Utah: Lauri
Utah: Demar, Terry, Saric, 2026 Sac first, 2029 Miami first

Miami gets a “star” and goes big starting Lauri/Bam/Ware. Leaves 14 mil under tax for 2 roster spots so would be able to add another forward to add to “Bam”, Lauri, JJJ, Simone

Sac gets two forwards for one first.

Utah gets two firsts for Lauri and tries to find a home for Demar?

I can't see Utah doing this for protected picks. If unprotected picks are off the table, then it's a deal breaker. Better to walk away.

[Godaddycurse]

Keeping the random going? This one feels really bad but I kept going...

Miami: Wiggins, Rozier, Jovic, 2029 first (top 8 protected, unprotected)
Miami: Lauri

Sac: Demar, Saric, 2026 Sac first (top 10, top 8)
Sac: Wiggins and Jovic

Utah: Lauri
Utah: Demar, Terry, Saric, 2026 Sac first, 2029 Miami first

Miami gets a “star” and goes big starting Lauri/Bam/Ware. Leaves 14 mil under tax for 2 roster spots so would be able to add another forward to add to “Bam”, Lauri, JJJ, Simone

Sac gets two forwards for one first.

Utah gets two firsts for Lauri and tries to find a home for Demar?

Feel like after trading Highsmith they need wiggins more than ever. I like powell/rozier/jovic/2029 1st as the basis of a deal for Miami. ideally find a 3rd team for Powell (Milwaukee for kuzma and a swap or protected pick maybe?)

[jbk1234]

https://bsky.app/profile/yokonaka.bsky.social/post/3lz2xzvkcus2c

[MoneyTalks41890]

https://bsky.app/profile/yokonaka.bsky.social/post/3lz2xzvkcus2c

Here’s the SI article in the Blue Sky post (A Bluey?):

https://www.si.com/nba/new-pablo-torre-report-questions-adam-silver-claim-clippers-aspiration-deal

[jbk1234]

https://bsky.app/profile/yokonaka.bsky.social/post/3lz2xzvkcus2c

Here’s the SI article in the Blue Sky post (A Bluey?):

https://www.si.com/nba/new-pablo-torre-report-questions-adam-silver-claim-clippers-aspiration-deal

It's not my account, but I'm on Bluesky. When Musk announced the new TOS, and I couldn't figure out if they allowed for data scraping, I bounced.

[MoneyTalks41890]

https://bsky.app/profile/yokonaka.bsky.social/post/3lz2xzvkcus2c

Here’s the SI article in the Blue Sky post (A Bluey?):

https://www.si.com/nba/new-pablo-torre-report-questions-adam-silver-claim-clippers-aspiration-deal

It's not my account, but I'm on Bluesky. When Musk announced the new TOS, and I couldn't figure out if they allowed for data scraping, I bounced.

I get it. I’m an old school Twitter addict who can’t kick the habit. I have a Bluesky account but I wanted to provide the link for folks who don’t.

[jbk1234]

Here’s the SI article in the Blue Sky post (A Bluey?):

https://www.si.com/nba/new-pablo-torre-report-questions-adam-silver-claim-clippers-aspiration-deal

It's not my account, but I'm on Bluesky. When Musk announced the new TOS, and I couldn't figure out if they allowed for data scraping, I bounced.

I get it. I’m an old school Twitter addict who can’t kick the habit. I have a Bluesky account but I wanted to provide the link for folks who don’t.

Based on reporting, the commissioner's office looks, at best, negligent when it comes to reviewing endorsement/sponsorship deals.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Pablo has new episode dropping tomorrow morning . Will be an interesting listen