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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#841 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:08 pm

ZeroStatic2 wrote:Since Duke posted that deuce and pacome might be traded, you might as well speculate that they could be going in a bigger trade for someone like giannis...

OG + mitch + deuce + pacome + wash 1st rounder + the 1st round pick they're trying to get for kolek for Giannis.

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Post#842 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:39 pm

hopefully the giannis trade happens before training camp
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Post#843 » by god shammgod » Wed Sep 17, 2025 9:00 pm

trading mcbride is dumb. one of the few guys who plays defense.
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Post#844 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:08 pm

god shammgod wrote:trading mcbride is dumb. one of the few guys who plays defense.

depends what we get for him…
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Post#845 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:15 pm

I don’t think it’s crazy to trade a guy that you’re probably not going to be able to reach an extension with but doing it before the most important Knicks season in 30 years is pretty crazy. Especially when you’re trying to replace him with someone that might be washed.
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Post#846 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:16 pm

Eagerly awaiting the Knicks trading Kolek, Deuce and Dadiet mainly because it would upset people.
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Post#847 » by DaGawd » Wed Sep 17, 2025 11:27 pm

tj mcconnell and payton pritchard cooked deuce in the playoffs just saying… he’s replaceable for the right piece i like him a lot
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Post#848 » by mpharris36 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:02 am

DaGawd wrote:tj mcconnell and payton pritchard cooked deuce in the playoffs just saying… he’s replaceable for the right piece i like him a lot


the issue remains that player has to make like 4 MM or less...thats where the difficulty comes in terms of finding a player as impactful as mcbride with our salary restrictions.
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Post#849 » by 8516knicks » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:11 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Eagerly awaiting the Knicks trading Kolek, Deuce and Dadiet mainly because it would upset people.


Bucks are demanding them in any trade for Giannis. 8-)
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Post#850 » by RHODEY » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:14 am

DaGawd wrote:tj mcconnell and payton pritchard cooked deuce in the playoffs just saying… he’s replaceable for the right piece i like him a lot


No shame those are very good 6th Man of the year types. Mcconnel was cooking the Thunder's starters in the finals.
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Post#851 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Sep 18, 2025 6:46 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Eagerly awaiting the Knicks trading Kolek, Deuce and Dadiet mainly because it would upset people.

No one will be upset if we get Kessler.
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Post#852 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:31 am

god shammgod wrote:trading mcbride is dumb. one of the few guys who plays defense.

Welcome to the Mike Brown show. He hates defense. Just look at how he treated Keon Ellis on the Kings
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Post#853 » by Richard4444 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:25 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:trading mcbride is dumb. one of the few guys who plays defense.

Welcome to the Mike Brown show. He hates defense. Just look at how he treated Keon Ellis on the Kings


You will love him considering you really like Melo, Randle and Ayton.
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Post#855 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:58 pm

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god shammgod wrote:trading mcbride is dumb. one of the few guys who plays defense.

Welcome to the Mike Brown show. He hates defense. Just look at how he treated Keon Ellis on the Kings


You will love him considering you really like Melo, Randle and Ayton.

Let me know when Mike Brown gets into the hall of fame like Melo.
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Post#856 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:59 pm

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They are def moving him. Hopefully who we get in return is a high defensive player
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Post#857 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:46 pm

Not sure what deuce would want extension wise but that 17 million seems fair. He might be more of a MLE guy but that’s probably only a few million less at this point. It’s really not that big of a deal to go over the 2nd apron for like a season but it’s multiple seasons that the penalties start kicking. I’d wait to see what Giannis deal is next summer and try to sign deuce back if it only pushes over the 2nd apron for a season or so. With the cap still rising it could solve the problem on its own.
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Post#858 » by stuporman » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:17 pm

They should just give Deuce a reasonable contract and no show job worth twice as much... I heard it's a thing now.
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Post#859 » by Knicksfan1992 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:40 pm

The Deuce conundrum is interesting. On one hand you can say it's worth it to go into the second apron to keep him. Good defensive guards who can shoot are always valuable in any team construct. He's at 38.8% from 3 on good volume the past 2 seasons.

He also seemingly can scale his production up to be a starter level player too. He's not some guy who thrives on being in for low minutes.

Deuce has started 28 games in his career. In those games he's averaged:

14.8ppg, 4.2apg, 2.9rpg on 41/37/81 splits

In theory, you might be selling a bit low on him because he might get more shine as a starter or at least with more than 25 mpg.

That being said, I don't think there is a pathway for Deuce to be more than a role guy. I know Knicks twitter was screaming for him to start last year but, realistically, a Brunson/Deuce backcourt can't survive against high level starting units. Deuce is a good defender but at a certain point he can't change that he's only 6'1".

Think about if we had to play the Thunder in the Finals for example... You'd have to stick Brunson on Lu Dort and you're left with Deuce either on SGA or J Dub. Both are pretty big size mismatches. Same thing happens with almost any team whose lead initiator isn't a true guard sized player.

If the Knicks can get someone that they think has a chance to start for them or has a little more versatility and doesn't provide an immediate extension headache, then it makes all the sense in the world to trade him IMO
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Post#860 » by mpharris36 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:04 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Deuce conundrum is interesting. On one hand you can say it's worth it to go into the second apron to keep him. Good defensive guards who can shoot are always valuable in any team construct. He's at 38.8% from 3 on good volume the past 2 seasons.

He also seemingly can scale his production up to be a starter level player too. He's not some guy who thrives on being in for low minutes.

Deuce has started 28 games in his career. In those games he's averaged:

14.8ppg, 4.2apg, 2.9rpg on 41/37/81 splits

In theory, you might be selling a bit low on him because he might get more shine as a starter or at least with more than 25 mpg.

That being said, I don't think there is a pathway for Deuce to be more than a role guy. I know Knicks twitter was screaming for him to start last year but, realistically, a Brunson/Deuce backcourt can't survive against high level starting units. Deuce is a good defender but at a certain point he can't change that he's only 6'1".

Think about if we had to play the Thunder in the Finals for example... You'd have to stick Brunson on Lu Dort and you're left with Deuce either on SGA or J Dub. Both are pretty big size mismatches. Same thing happens with almost any team whose lead initiator isn't a true guard sized player.

If the Knicks can get someone that they think has a chance to start for them or has a little more versatility and doesn't provide an immediate extension headache, then it makes all the sense in the world to trade him IMO



Isn't this an issue with every team we play since we never want Brunson on ball navigating screens. I think last year even with Mikal on SGA Brunson was always on Dort. Since we basically have to cross matchup every guard since we don't want Brunson navigating a lot of on ball screens and picking up fouls because he isn't a good defender.

It doesn't matter what the size of the point guard is. The only guards Brunson typically guards aren't lead initiator type guards...otherwise we usually throw him on a C&S wing of off ball guard.

Another note....for any two man Knicks lineup over 50 minutes played together in the playoffs the best net rating was Brunson/McBride at +9.0 Net rating
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