Players That Were Ahead of Their Time and Would Be Even Better Today

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Re: Players That Were Ahead of Their Time and Would Be Even Better Today 

Post#61 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 12:38 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:Gary Payton is someone who’s probably more valuable now than during his era. Set him up with a shooting coach to fine tune his 3pt shot and he’s giving you 25/8 in addition to the best point of attack defense in the league. His strengths have become more valuable with time.


The only thing I don't like about Payton in today's game is that he was heavily a post-up point guard. That is not going to be a thing in today's NBA. At least not for a 6'4 point guard.


Fair point but we’ve seen players like Brunson use post moves very effectively in the modern era. I think he could translate that to today ass long as he could extend his range a bit.
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RoyceDa59 wrote:Rasheed Wallace
Andrea Bargnani
Reggie Miller
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Bargnani had no heart. Agree on the rest
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Post#65 » by bstein14 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:35 am

Big men who can shoot, but didn't have the lateral quickness to step out and defend on the perimeter or be able to switch a pick and roll aren't going to do well in this era.

Like Mehmet Okur was an all-star who could shoot really well for his time, and had the advantage of being a perimeter based center in a era where centers were more slow footed. I feel like he gets less open looks in this era and he also struggles more to defend the average center in this era.
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Post#66 » by ImmortalD24 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 2:49 am

God Squad wrote:A player like Lamar Odom, while talented, could have been even better now in the modern NBA.

Lamar Odom would be disastrous tbh. He’s lucky Kobe got the best out of him. I lowkey wish he played with LeBron from 2005 onwards just so Bron fans can get infuriated with his play. Give me Mo Williams over Odom any day of the week.
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Post#67 » by og15 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:18 am

Liam_Gallagher wrote:Insert any stretch 4 from the 2000s.

Unless they can't defend and would get picked on defensively with switches and targeting.

For example, Ryan Anderson got worse, not at shooting the ball or shooting, but at being able to stay on the floor and not get picked on defensively.

Also since everyone shoots, and a lot of big 3's play the 4, depending on the level of shooter you are, you might no longer be unique.

On the other hand, the big who can block shots and shoot 3's has move value now. A guy like LaFrentz for example could maybe be seen as more valuable.
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Post#72 » by pepe1991 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:02 am

Dražen Petrović.

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Post#73 » by Lalouie » Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:18 am

raymond lewis basically too cocky for his own good

perfect for today where they don't care and pay you millions for it
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Post#75 » by dolphinatik » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:10 am

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Post#76 » by Kineto » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:26 am

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Post#77 » by cupcakesnake » Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:29 am

og15 wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:Insert any stretch 4 from the 2000s.

Unless they can't defend and would get picked on defensively with switches and targeting.

For example, Ryan Anderson got worse, not at shooting the ball or shooting, but at being able to stay on the floor and not get picked on defensively.

Also since everyone shoots, and a lot of big 3's play the 4, depending on the level of shooter you are, you might no longer be unique.

On the other hand, the big who can block shots and shoot 3's has move value now. A guy like LaFrentz for example could maybe be seen as more valuable.


Agree with the defensive problems of all these stretch 4s, but there's an offensive problem for them in the modern NBA too. Nowadays, shooters who can't attack a close out aren't very valuable. Defenses are better at closing out on shooters, so if all it takes is a high-energy close out to take away someone's shooting, they aren't seeing the floor. Every rotation shooter nowadays has enough handles to counter a close out. Shooting bigs of the past didn't.

The sheer number of guys who can shoot has caused defenses to adjust how they guard the 3-point line. Some guys who were "ahead of their time" were good because they were ahead of their time, and wouldn't be special in a league where more people do the thing that made them special.

Ryan Anderson was a perplexing player because he was an elite 3-point shooter, but also an elite offensive rebounder. Those 2 things almost never go together, since you have to be out of position for one to do the other. He fell off pretty early in his career with injuries and personal tragedies.
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Post#78 » by tamaraw08 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:08 pm

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Post#79 » by tamaraw08 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:10 pm

Lalouie wrote:raymond lewis basically too cocky for his own good

perfect for today where they don't care and pay you millions for it


What about Rashard McCants? :wink:
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Post#80 » by kaansunman » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:49 pm

ImmortalD24 wrote:
God Squad wrote:A player like Lamar Odom, while talented, could have been even better now in the modern NBA.

Lamar Odom would be disastrous tbh. He’s lucky Kobe got the best out of him. I lowkey wish he played with LeBron from 2005 onwards just so Bron fans can get infuriated with his play. Give me Mo Williams over Odom any day of the week.


Don't agree with you. Lamar can be much better in today's game. He can swtich in defense, also good post defender, great rebounder. On offense he got the handles, can bring the ball up, push the tempo. He is a decent shooter and can operate in the paint. Basketball IQ is high level. He may average around triple double.
The problem was is off the court for him unfortunately.
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